Another Preliminary Mock draft

[LuthierJr]

Maybe a bit optimistic in spots.... Not flashy but addresses some needs.

1st round:

#24: Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma


2nd round:

#48 (from SD) Rashaad Johnson - S - Alabama
#56 Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon


3rd round:

#88 Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati
#97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


4th round:

#120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State

 

[Warren94]

I would be fine with it. Not very impressed with Duke Robinson. I think he can be had in the 2nd round. do like the johnson pick and Bear Pascoe.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

#24: Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma Right where NFL Draft Scout ranks him, I'm just concerned that Dante & BB can't be that enamored of 330 lb. OL after the Britt and O'Callaghan experiments.

#48 (from SD) Rashaad Johnson - S - Alabama NFLDS has him in the late 3rd/early 4th. Not a bad pick, but I think we can find some similar players a little later.
#56 Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon I like him, but like Ochmed I'd rather grab his partner Unger who can play all along the line.

#86 (comp pick) Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati NFLDS has him rated late 1/early 2. I like him and would be psyched to get him here - his partner Smith might wind up being here, which would be a good thing.
#88 Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State I like this kid, this is also a bit early according to NFLDS' projection, but a good value for me.

#120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State check

I'd like to see you lay out your thoughts ranking NE's needs.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

3rd round:

#86 (comp pick) Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati
#88 Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State

One minor point--the comp pick comes after all other picks, so it can't be earlier than #97.

 

[LuthierJr]

One minor point--the comp pick comes after all other picks, so it can't be earlier than #97.

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[LuthierJr]

I'd like to see you lay out your thoughts ranking NE's needs.

Thanks for the comments. It's nice to have actual discussion instead of someone just saying "YOUR DRAFT SUCKS!" and such

My thoughts on NE's needs.....

I think the biggest needs are:

Safety
Offensive Line
DT for the future
Well rounded TE
A Legit #1 RB (none struck me in this draft)

 

[LuthierJr]

And actually in light of actually writing down my thoughts on needs I'm thinking maybe instead of Duke Robinson we grab up William Moore with the first pick (I expect Mays to be gone). Might look like this instead (moved some guys around with your insight.) I added Rashad Johnson as a later round pick at Saftey....I kinda like Nic Harris as a saftey as well. Big for the position (well he'd be a SS anyway), a little slow, but good football speed, has played MLB for Oklahoma this year too.

#24: William Moore - S - Missouri


2nd round:

#48 (from SD) Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati
#56 Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon

3rd round:

#88 Rashad Johnson - S - Alabama
#97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


4th round:

#120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

And actually in light of actually writing down my thoughts on needs I'm thinking maybe instead of Duke Robinson we grab up William Moore with the first pick (I expect Mays to be gone). Might look like this instead (moved some guys around with your insight.) I added Rashad Johnson as a later round pick at Saftey....I kinda like Nic Harris as a saftey as well. Big for the position (well he'd be a SS anyway), a little slow, but good football speed, has played MLB for Oklahoma this year too.

#24: William Moore - S - Missouri


2nd round:

#48 (from SD) Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati
#56 Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon

3rd round:

#88 Rashad Johnson - S - Alabama
#97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


4th round:

#120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State

I like that draft a lot better, though I'm not sure Moore slides that far and I want to watch him in his bowl game I recorded to assess his fit for NE.

Just to give you some of my thoughts on the draft:

#24: Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma to develop behind Randy Moss as a #3 and future #1. --- If some of the junior WR come out and push him to the second round I'm thinking LB Clint Sintim, Virginia (I want to try him at SILB, but he could also play OLB if he doesn't work out inside) or NT B.J. Raji, BC. If LB Brandon Spikes, Florida declares he would be the #1 option.

#48: If he's still here, Connor Barwin, LB, Cincinnati (I just plain like this kid at OLB, I think he could be better there than he is as a DE now. He'd also be a #3 TE and he's a STs Ace.)

#56: Augustus Parrish, OT, Kent State. --- Alternates would be Eric Woods, C, Louisville and Trevor Canfield, G, Cincinnati. (NFL Draft Scout has Fenuki at #42 -- Parrish or Fenuki would offer more versitility to move someone in at RG if needed.)

#88: Eric Norwood, LB, South Carolina. --- Alternates would be Rashad Johnson, Courtney Greene, S, Rutgers, or Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest. (Norwood is a kid whom I think could be another Bruschi at ILB. The Safeties are self explanatory.)

#97: Gilbert. (I think this kid could develop into another Jarvis Green.)

Based on the Patriots' Free Agency moves (mostly re-signing their own) this will change drastically.
- Currently I'm hoping Mike Wright is re-signed, if not B.J. Raji or his running mate Ron Brace will be more attractive to develop behind big Vince.
- I'm hoping James Sanders is re-signed.
- I'm expecting Russ Hochstein to be re-signed.

Needs: S, ILB
Future Needs: WR, DL, OL
Competition/Upgrades: OLB, OL, WR

 

[VJCPatriot]

And actually in light of actually writing down my thoughts on needs I'm thinking maybe instead of Duke Robinson we grab up William Moore with the first pick (I expect Mays to be gone). Might look like this instead (moved some guys around with your insight.) I added Rashad Johnson as a later round pick at Saftey....I kinda like Nic Harris as a saftey as well. Big for the position (well he'd be a SS anyway), a little slow, but good football speed, has played MLB for Oklahoma this year too.

#24: William Moore - S - Missouri


2nd round:

#48 (from SD) Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati
#56 Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon

3rd round:

#88 Rashad Johnson - S - Alabama
#97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


4th round:

#120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State

If we're spending a 1st round pick on Moore, why do we need to spend another pick on R. Johnson? Unless you are predicting Meriweather to come down the LM injury syndrome, I'd project him to start at the other safety spot in 2009. Might want to look into a linebacker or a tight end instead for round 3. I haven't heard much about Pascoe yet, but if he's as good as you think he probably won't last till the end of round 4.

 

[LuthierJr]

If we're spending a 1st round pick on Moore, why do we need to spend another pick on R. Johnson? Unless you are predicting Meriweather to come down the LM injury syndrome, I'd project him to start at the other safety spot in 2009. Might want to look into a linebacker or a tight end instead for round 3. I haven't heard much about Pascoe yet, but if he's as good as you think he probably won't last till the end of round 4.

Well I'm guessing Rodney is going to be a goner for good, and both the Sanders maybe too since they are UFA's. So maybe three vacancies at Saftey, but lets hope for no more than two. Therefore two new Safeties to fill the holes. I do expect Brandon to start..... But I forgot about ol' Tank Williams if he is able to come back healthy.....hmmm...if he doesn't though, and the other three go, then possibly 4 safeties gone (well three Safeties and one CB/S).

Although now you mention it the second S spot might be better to go after a SS like Nic Harris who has the bigger build and strength to be a tweener LB/SS

Loving the discourse fellas. Good stuff. I loose a little intrest in the playoffs since NE's not in it, but the draft is awesome year round
Some info on Bear Pascoe (I love how well rounded he is and his blocking ability too...a little slow though):

Bear Pascoe*|*Fresno State,*TE*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

ESPN - NFL - NFLDraftTracker

Of course these picks would/could change drastically with Free agency...but this is just to get my brain rolling...

 

[VJCPatriot]

I gotta wonder though... what kind of parents name their kid "Bear"? Or is that just a nickname. Kinda funny though. Tiger did turn out ok...

 

[patchick]

I gotta wonder though... what kind of parents name their kid "Bear"? Or is that just a nickname. Kinda funny though.

You get a nickname like Bear when you're 6'6" 250 in high school...as a quarterback. Pascoe's real name is the far, far less macho McKenna.

Like everybody else on this board, I have mentally penciled him in as the second calf-roping Fresno State Bulldog on the Patriots' 2010 roster.

 

[LuthierJr]

Ok I've been thinking, reading, and watching some more. Here is my updated list....for now..... I've spiced it up a bit with us trading Minnesota Cassel for a 1st rounder this year and a second next year.

#23: (from MIN) - Brandon Spikes - ILB - Flordia
#24: William Moore - S - Missouri


2nd round:

#48: (from SD) Darrius Heyward-Bey - WR - Maryland
#56: Max Unger - OL - Oregon

3rd round:

#88 DeAngelo Smith - CB - Cincinnati
#97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


4th round:

#120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State

 

[DaBruinz]

Maybe a bit optimistic in spots.... Not flashy but addresses some needs.

1st round:

#24: Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma Not sure what you see in him that makes you believe he'd be a good fit for the Pats Offense. They look for good mobile O-linemen. Particularly in their guards.


2nd round:

#48 (from SD) Rashaad Johnson - S - Alabama
#56 Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon To raw of a prospect. I don't believe he's an upgrade over any of the OTs on the Patriots.


3rd round:

#88 Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati Mickens is going to be off the board long before the 3rd round.
#97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State Where do you picture him fitting into the Pats line-up? He's 20 lbs lighter than any of the other DEs that the Pats have. And he's not a good NT project.. .


4th round:

#120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State I like this pick cause it fits into the Pats philosophy

If Mickens fell to the 3rd round, it would be because of a huge red flag.. And then the Pats would probably shy away from him.. The rest of the draft, other then Johnson and Pascoe doesn't seem to really fit the Patriots.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Ok I've been thinking, reading, and watching some more. Here is my updated list....for now..... I've spiced it up a bit with us trading Minnesota Cassel for a 1st rounder this year and a second next year.

#23: (from MIN) - Brandon Spikes - ILB - Flordia
#24: William Moore - S - Missouri


2nd round:

#48: (from SD) Darrius Heyward-Bey - WR - Maryland
#56: Max Unger - OL - Oregon

3rd round:

#88 DeAngelo Smith - CB - Cincinnati
#97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


4th round:

#120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State

I wondered who's been stealing my thoughts! I like this draft a lot.

 

[LuthierJr]

If Mickens fell to the 3rd round, it would be because of a huge red flag.. And then the Pats would probably shy away from him.. The rest of the draft, other then Johnson and Pascoe doesn't seem to really fit the Patriots.

Try to read the whole thread there.... It's been updated twice since you joined the party. Never the less....thanks for the comments.

 

[LuthierJr]

I wondered who's been stealing my thoughts! I like this draft a lot.

haha.. Well I got on board the Unger train recently. I like his partner Tupou too, but with more watching and reading Unger seems to be more well rounded. Always a plus.

Mickens in the 3rd round does seem a little optimistic so I scratched him and went for Smith, although I like Domonique Johnson too, but maybe a round later.

Jarron Gilbert, with a little added weight/muscle. Reminds me a little of Seymour. Great burst off the line. Good prospect with great talent for the future. YouTube - Jarron Gilbert 2008 Senior highlight tape

Heyward-Bey may not last till the second round if he runs as fast as he may at the combine, but if he does I really like this kid. While WR is not a glaring need right now... it may be in a couple years.

 

[patchick]

I wondered who's been stealing my thoughts! I like this draft a lot.

So do I -- so much so that I'll allow that 2nd-round WR.

 

[DaBruinz]

Try to read the whole thread there.... It's been updated twice since you joined the party. Never the less....thanks for the comments.

I read the whole thread. And commented on the first..

In your second attempt, you still had 2 players who I question how they fit into the Patriots line-up. The DT from SD State and the OT from Oregon. In your 3rd iteration, You still had the DT from SD State.

Where do you see him fitting in? He's about 20 lbs light for DE in the Pats system... Do you see him dropping 20 lbs and playing ILB?

 

[LuthierJr]

I read the whole thread. And commented on the first..

In your second attempt, you still had 2 players who I question how they fit into the Patriots line-up. The DT from SD State and the OT from Oregon. In your 3rd iteration, You still had the DT from SD State.

Where do you see him fitting in? He's about 20 lbs light for DE in the Pats system... Do you see him dropping 20 lbs and playing ILB?

Gilbert, who I addressed a few posts above, I see putting on a bit of weight and being a Seymour style player. I believe he is a solid DE/DT in our system within a couple years or sooner. I don't think he is fast enough to play ILB, and we don't need another OLB in my opinion. We do need some depth on the D line though.

Oh and I was actually wrong on the School.. it's San Jose state on the DT....I got mixed up with O'Connell's school.