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What is hypocritical about despising the media fawning over this overrated POS and being sick of his attention whore tactics every year?

He sucks, he has sucked for years and he is probably the most overrated player in NFL history. I have felt this way for years. Through longevity he has broken the records of men whose jockstrap he could never hold.

1.) He's one of the very best to ever play the position. People who argue otherwise simply don't know the game very well or have a bias that gets in the way of their being rational.

2.) Weighing retirement does not equal being an attention whore. People in New England once liked hearing actual press conferences from players and coaches. Now that BB and his "ministry of information" sort of approach has taken root here, suddenly that's a vice.

3.) He hasn't "sucked for years". He may have been the #2 quarterback in the NFL last season behind only Brady.
 
There's been a lot of hypocritical bashing of Favre on this site all season. Now, even with the season over, it continues.


Maybe Patriots fans are no better than Jets fans after all.

Why is it hypocritical bashing of a player who was clearly past his prime and more of a liability than an asset to his team for much of the year. I don't get the hypocrasy? Other than the 2007 season, Favre hasn't been anything more than average for a while now. Even last year, I thought it was that the Packers' coaching staff limited Favre's improvising quite a bit to make him successful (which peissed off Favre to no end). I said the same things about Favre that I said in 2006 or 2005. I just enjoyed his poor decision making and costly turnovers more because he was sinking the Jets.

If I was a hypocrite in bashing Farve, I would have been praising the guy prior to him coming to the Jets. That wasn't the case. I don't think that was the case with many on this board. I personally celebrated when it was announced the Jets traded for the guy.

Face the facts. Favre had a bad year. He was a liability in more games than he was an asset this year. I personally will be happy when the guy takes his premaddona act back to Mississippi forever. I respected this guy until he thought he was the GM for the Packers about two years ago.
 
The Favre failure at least saved the Jets giving GB a 2nd round pick (if they made the playoffs), the do have to give GB a 3rd rd pick now (playing time).

I never thought about the Jets bringing in Holmgren (he said that he is going to take a year off), but I wonder if he would come back with Favre?
 
2.) Weighing retirement does not equal being an attention whore.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

People "weigh retirement" privately. Calling press conferences, talking about his text messages, doing TV interviews, etc. all screams, "Look at me! Are you looking? Look upon me and know love!!!"

At least he hasn't pulled this "Will I or won't I?" crap for the last three or four years, though. That would have been too much.
 
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1.) He's one of the very best to ever play the position. People who argue otherwise simply don't know the game very well or have a bias that gets in the way of their being rational.

2.) Weighing retirement does not equal being an attention whore. People in New England once liked hearing actual press conferences from players and coaches. Now that BB and his "ministry of information" sort of approach has taken root here, suddenly that's a vice.

3.) He hasn't "sucked for years". He may have been the #2 quarterback in the NFL last season behind only Brady.

I feel, in my opinion, which I am entitled too, you are wrong on points 1 and 3.

He has not had many top 5 QB seasons, and his inconsistancy over the past 5 years have killed playoff appearances and playoff chances more so than not.

Playing some of your worst football when it matters most in the NFL is not the trait of one of the best ever....
 
See, I don't agree with this line of thinking. People were bashing Vrabel and talking about him being washed up until it came out that he might have a bum shoulder. Once that information came out, people here circled the wagons. Why should we begrudge the same courtesy to players on opposing teams? There was, after all, a huge difference between the Brett Favre who tore up the Titans and the Brett Favre who played the rest of the season.

Whether it's because his injury had such an impact, or just because age has caught up to him and he ran out of gas, we're talking about a 40 year old quarterback who played well enough at the beginning of the season to have the Jets at 8-3 before his struggles began in earnest.

People were making excuses for Favre all season. When he sucked in the first half of the season, he was "still learning the offense". Now when he sucked at the end of the season, it was due to injuries. Sorry, this is the same type of production we have seen out of Favre in the 2005 and 2006 season.

I have always said even before the season started. Favre is capable even in down years to have a handful of All Pro type of games, but have a mediocre season overall. Nothing that happened this season disproved that assertion. I have not changed my stance on Favre and his season played out exactly how I said it would in August. He had a handful of All Pro games, but overall was more a liability than an asset. I still don't see the hypocrasy.
 
People were making excuses for Favre all season. When he sucked in the first half of the season, he was "still learning the offense". Now when he sucked at the end of the season, it was due to injuries. Sorry, this is the same type of production we have seen out of Favre in the 2005 and 2006 season.

I have always said even before the season started. Favre is capable even in down years to have a handful of All Pro type of games, but have a mediocre season overall. Nothing that happened this season disproved that assertion. I have not changed my stance on Favre and his season played out exactly how I said it would in August. He had a handful of All Pro games, but overall was more a liability than an asset. I still don't see the hypocrasy.

Using 2005 and 2006 tells me that you either don't know the situation that developed in Green Bay, or you have such a bias that it doesn't matter to you. How did Jacksonville do this year after the center of its line was lost? Hell, for that matter, how did the Patriots look in the Super Bowl and the start of this season when Neal wasn't in at right guard?
 
1.) He's one of the very best to ever play the position. People who argue otherwise simply don't know the game very well or have a bias that gets in the way of their being rational.

2.) Weighing retirement does not equal being an attention whore. People in New England once liked hearing actual press conferences from players and coaches. Now that BB and his "ministry of information" sort of approach has taken root here, suddenly that's a vice.

3.) He hasn't "sucked for years". He may have been the #2 quarterback in the NFL last season behind only Brady.

1) He's #1 in career interceptions. That alone eliminates him from consideration for being one of the very best to ever play. He was a very good, if largely overrated, quarterback for a long time.

2) I agree, in general, but players weigh retirement all the time. Most players, however, understand that it's to everyone's benefit to make the decision privately, and not to give daily updates to the media. He's not an attention whore because he's considering retirement; he's an attention whore because, for at least four consecutive seasons, he's turned his "will I or won't I" saga into an ongoing soap opera, to the point that even the Packers finally got fed up with it last year.

3) Roethlisberger and Peyton Manning were both pretty objectively better than Favre last year, as well, but your general point does stand. Favre was very good last year, which was pretty unexpected after his 2005 and 2006 seasons. It has been well-documented that this improvement was largely due to McCarthy's insistence that he become a student of the game, watch a lot of film, and work within the offense. This year, he pretty much sucked again.

Now might not be a bad time to mention that, since 2005, Favre has 88 TDs and 84 INTs. How's that for stellar... That's an average of +1 TD/INT ratio per season. That's including last year, when you claim that he was perhaps the second best QB out there. Even including that season, he has averaged exactly one more TD than INT per season over the past four years. Have I phrased this in enough different ways? Does it make sense to you yet?

From 1994-2004, Favre was a consistently Pro Bowl-caliber QB. Considering that he was able to do that for ten years, I'd even say that he belongs in the hall of fame. To say that he should be considered one of the best ever, though, is pretty ridiculous. Objectively, I just don't see how someone can claim that he was one of the top 10 QBs to play in the NFL.
 
1.) He's one of the very best to ever play the position. People who argue otherwise simply don't know the game very well or have a bias that gets in the way of their being rational.

2.) Weighing retirement does not equal being an attention whore. People in New England once liked hearing actual press conferences from players and coaches. Now that BB and his "ministry of information" sort of approach has taken root here, suddenly that's a vice.

3.) He hasn't "sucked for years". He may have been the #2 quarterback in the NFL last season behind only Brady.

1.) I agree that Favre WAS one of the best to ever play the game. But so was Marino. And that didn't chance the fact that Marino was a mediocre QB his last three or four years in the league. Favre has been mediocre three of the last four years.

2.) We will see how this offseason plays out. He has been an ego maniac, premaddona in the last few offseasons. We will soon find out if he will follow suit this offseason. It won't play out the same way as it did in Green Bay since the Jets may cut their losses with him before he decides to retire or not.

3.) Favre had a good year last year, but he sucked in 2005 and 2006. I think he was good last year because Mike McCarthy limited Favre's gunslinging tendencies and the defense and running game did their jobs. Mangini couldn't stop Favre from being his own worse enemy.
 
See, I don't agree with this line of thinking. People were bashing Vrabel and talking about him being washed up until it came out that he might have a bum shoulder. Once that information came out, people here circled the wagons. Why should we begrudge the same courtesy to players on opposing teams? There was, after all, a huge difference between the Brett Favre who tore up the Titans and the Brett Favre who played the rest of the season.

Whether it's because his injury had such an impact, or just because age has caught up to him and he ran out of gas, we're talking about a 40 year old quarterback who played well enough at the beginning of the season to have the Jets at 8-3 before his struggles began in earnest.

I live in NY, did Vrabel come out and say his shoulder was sore but he didn't know for sure because they hadn't run a test yet after someone asked him about something other than his shoulder or an injury? Did he?

Walk away with with your head high and your effin' mouth shut. We've had the emotional send off....I need humility and that is all.
 
1.) He's one of the very best to ever play the position. People who argue otherwise simply don't know the game very well or have a bias that gets in the way of their being rational.

2.) Weighing retirement does not equal being an attention whore. People in New England once liked hearing actual press conferences from players and coaches. Now that BB and his "ministry of information" sort of approach has taken root here, suddenly that's a vice.

3.) He hasn't "sucked for years". He may have been the #2 quarterback in the NFL last season behind only Brady.


1) He is not even top 10.

2) Jerking your team around every year and then crying at a farewell press conference only to come back is being an attention whore.

3) When you throw 6 INT's in a playoff game (2002) you suck. Every year he comes up with a wonderful INT like last night to end his team's year. Most of all when you lose a home field NFC Championship game to Eli Manning in record breaking cold because of a stupid INT, you suck.
 
Using 2005 and 2006 tells me that you either don't know the situation that developed in Green Bay, or you have such a bias that it doesn't matter to you. How did Jacksonville do this year after the center of its line was lost? Hell, for that matter, how did the Patriots look in the Super Bowl and the start of this season when Neal wasn't in at right guard?


Don't bash people who bash Favre and just become a Favre apologist who will excuse Favre from all his faults by blaming everyone else around him for them. Sorry, Favre WAS one of the best of all time, but he has been a shell of his former self for a while now.

Look at Brady in 2006. He had Reche Caldwell as his lead receiver and not much else along with a washed up RB who was spent by the end of the first half of every game and he brought the team within one minute of the Super Bowl. Special QBs can elevate bad talent.
 
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1) He is not even top 10.

2) Jerking your team around every year and then crying at a farewell press conference only to come back is being an attention whore.

3) When you throw 6 INT's in a playoff game (2002) you suck. Every year he comes up with a wonderful INT like last night to end his team's year. Most of all when you lose a home field NFC Championship game to Eli Manning in record breaking cold because of a stupid INT, you suck.
Good post and I agree. You can't put a QB in the top 5, or even 10, who is as well known for "the Favre interception" as he is for any other aspect of his game. His game streak and longevity are his main claims to fame, but he's been too erratic in his career to be up there with Montana, Unitas, Brady, Graham, Elway, Marino, P. Manning and a few others. He's something like a Fran Tarkenton with his great career stats, but also a lot of warts.
 
Anyone else read that article where Favre talks about how he didn't even know what a nickel formation was until well into his NFL career? Not exactly a student of the game.
 
Perhaps this means Favre will be forced to skip the Pro Bowl, which is good because he deserves no part of it. Rivers is the first alternate so he would play in his place.
 
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The final play of Brett Favre's career?
 
i dont know why the media gives favre a free pass on being a selfish jerk. he does this drama queen act every offseaon expecting the team to wait on him, and if he doesnt then he blasts them in the press. most players would get killed by the media for this behavior but lord favre can do no wrong. favre should just go away for good, so sick of this freak show.
 
i dont know why the media gives favre a free pass on being a selfish jerk. he does this drama queen act every offseaon expecting the team to wait on him, and if he doesnt then he blasts them in the press. most players would get killed by the media for this behavior but lord favre can do no wrong. favre should just go away for good, so sick of this freak show.

Well we can all hope that it will be his last dance on the field so we can all move on.....
 
i think the media is well aware of the Favre hate that is out there ... thus they keep him in the news ... reverse logic is working for them.
 
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