Where is Cassel's most likely landing spot in 2009

[Metaphors]

I think detroit's franchise is in such a bad state, qb is too big of a gamble at 1 overall.
Go the Miami model and try to build up both lines. Get a qb whom is ready immediately.
Plus, he isn't that old. I would take their 2nd rounder. 33 for M.Cassel. Gives them a
chance to get a couple of linemen. Say, A.Smith - T - Alabama. And, a pass-rusher
Selvie or E.Brown with Dallas pick.

I think your reasoning is right on but I don't believe the Pats can get a 1st or high 2nd for Cassel. Cassel wouldn't be under contract so a team would need to give him a significant bonus. A top pick and serious guaranteed coin for a player with one year of starting experience is a huge risk. I think a 3rd is about the ceiling on the market for Cassel. For the Pats, that isn't significantly higher than the likely comp pick if Cassel signs a market deal elsewhere. Unfortunately we missed out on the Fins business plan of trading 2nd round picks for quarterbacks...

 

[WhiZa]

Does anyone know the projected cap space of teams in 2009? Espeically ones that are in need of a QB. Chances are those will be the teams ready to sign him.

 

[spacecrime]

That would be awesome. We would have two picks in a row and Cassel would be responsible for both of them!!!!!!

LOL! Good one!

 

[flapat]

I hope we dont hurry up and trade him right away. We still dont know how Brady is, and Cassel would be a nice backup, with a big possibility of getting some playing time.

We could also use him to make sure Brady heals right, and not make him hurry to get back up

 

[spacecrime]

I think your reasoning is right on but I don't believe the Pats can get a 1st or high 2nd for Cassel. Cassel wouldn't be under contract so a team would need to give him a significant bonus. A top pick and serious guaranteed coin for a player with one year of starting experience is a huge risk.

Not as big a risk as usng a top draft pick of a QB out of college, like Carr or harrington or Young or Russel. At least with Cassel you know he can read defenses and make the NFL throws and can stand in the pocket.

 

[spacecrime]

I hope we dont hurry up and trade him right away. We still dont know how Brady is, and Cassel would be a nice backup, with a big possibility of getting some playing time.

We could also use him to make sure Brady heals right, and not make him hurry to get back up

In the meantime, we have most of our cap money tied up and cannot sign FAs, though. I wouldn't mind seeing us use that cap money to blast out of the gate March one with a flurry of signings like we did in 2007.

 

[Gwedd]

Brady = NoCal. Cassel = SoCal.

Anything west of Las Vegas is the forbidden zone. It's all the same to me

 

[flapat]

In the meantime, we have most of our cap money tied up and cannot sign FAs, though. I wouldn't mind seeing us use that cap money to blast out of the gate March one with a flurry of signings like we did in 2007.

Im not saying we shouldnt trade him. Im saying that we should weigh our options before we do. Teams are going to be killing themselves for Cassel. We should not be in a hurry. They NEED him. So we can wait until training camp. Or maybe before, but we should make sure.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I think your reasoning is right on but I don't believe the Pats can get a 1st or high 2nd for Cassel. Cassel wouldn't be under contract so a team would need to give him a significant bonus. A top pick and serious guaranteed coin for a player with one year of starting experience is a huge risk. I think a 3rd is about the ceiling on the market for Cassel. For the Pats, that isn't significantly higher than the likely comp pick if Cassel signs a market deal elsewhere. Unfortunately we missed out on the Fins business plan of trading 2nd round picks for quarterbacks...

A 3rd is the ceiling for Cassel?? Riight, I got a bridge in alaska I can sell you too. Cassel gets a 1st round pick in return book it. Now if it's multiple picks like 2 2nds, that might work out too, but I'd prefer offers with a 1st round pick first.

 

[hallfamebrady]

I am convinced we would get a first. Look at what Houston gave up to get Matt Schaub on two games worth of performance. I do not think it will be a top 10 but the pick will be a 1.

A 3rd is the ceiling for Cassel?? Riight, I got a bridge in alaska I can sell you too. Cassel gets a 1st round pick in return book it. Now if it's multiple picks like 2 2nds, that might work out too, but I'd prefer offers with a 1st round pick first.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I think a 3rd is about the ceiling on the market for Cassel. For the Pats, that isn't significantly higher than the likely comp pick if Cassel signs a market deal elsewhere.

Im not saying we shouldnt trade him. Im saying that we should weigh our options before we do. Teams are going to be killing themselves for Cassel. We should not be in a hurry. They NEED him. So we can wait until training camp. Or maybe before, but we should make sure.

The only problem with waiting until training camp is that his value in a trade will plummet as the start of the season opens (teams will realize that the Pats can't hang on to him forever). Plus, if the Pats wait until after the draft, then they're trading for 2010 draft picks instead of 2009 draft picks. [That may be a feature, not a bug, though, if the picks are high enough. ]

If the Pats trade him before the draft, they will likely get picks in 2009, whereas any comp pick they would get for Cassel would be in 2010.

 

[Metaphors]

Not as big a risk as usng a top draft pick of a QB out of college, like Carr or harrington or Young or Russel.

Agreed, but those aren't the only 2 options. If you discount the Lions, Bucs and 49ers because they are just marking time with the QBs they have, the starting QBs in the NFL break down into:

13 first round draft picks
2 second/third round draft picks
5 second day draft picks
1 undrafted FA
5 acquired as FA
3 acquired via trade...Schaub (2nd), Hasselbeck (3rd), Favre (3rd)

So while 1st round QBs are risky, that is still a pretty solid way to go. Trading for a QB? Not so much.

At least with Cassel you know he can read defenses and make the NFL throws and can stand in the pocket.

So did Derek Anderson last year. Anyone regret not giving up a 1st or 2nd round pick for him now? My point is that spending big bucks or a high pick to get a QB with a limited track record is risky enough. Doing both can put a GM on the fast path to unemployment.

 

[WhiZa]

I am convinced we would get a first. Look at what Houston gave up to get Matt Schaub on two games worth of performance. I do not think it will be a top 10 but the pick will be a 1.

I think the Schaub deal is about as close as you can get to the potential Cassel deal. The only difference being Schaub was under contract and could be traded, while Cassel would have to be franchised. That could scare away some teams when Cassel wants 10+ million a year. Whereas Schaub got a raise when he was traded to 8 mil a year.

I think it's going to come down to the Pats will need an agreement with some team(s) that if he is franchised then they will still be willing to trade for him. Right now, you don't hear about any teams being interested and that's fine by me while he attempts to win a super bowl.

 

[Metaphors]

A 3rd is the ceiling for Cassel?? Riight, I got a bridge in alaska I can sell you too. Cassel gets a 1st round pick in return book it. Now if it's multiple picks like 2 2nds, that might work out too, but I'd prefer offers with a 1st round pick first.

Can you think of another case where a team traded a first round pick (or multiple 2's) to get a QB with 1 year or less starting experience? The only case I can think of is Favre, but that was only because Wolf wanted him in the draft the year before.

Not saying that it won't happen (and it would be sweet if it did), but I'm not sure how you can be certain it will.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I think the Schaub deal is about as close as you can get to the potential Cassel deal. The only difference being Schaub was under contract and could be traded, while Cassel would have to be franchised. That could scare away some teams when Cassel wants 10+ million a year. Whereas Schaub got a raise when he was traded to 8 mil a year.

I think it's going to come down to the Pats will need an agreement with some team(s) that if he is franchised then they will still be willing to trade for him. Right now, you don't hear about any teams being interested and that's fine by me while he attempts to win a super bowl.

No one's going to come out and say they're interested; it would just drive up the asking price.

On a related note, how do you know Cassel wants $10M a year? [If Adam Schefter is your source, read it again: he's only guessing.]

 

[ALP]

rams, looking at all the teams, jax is prob the most likely....but b/c of AFC, the pats will find someone else

 

[WhiZa]

No one's going to come out and say they're interested; it would just drive up the asking price.

On a related note, how do you know Cassel wants $10M a year? [If Adam Schefter is your source, read it again: he's only guessing.]

Good point, hopefully it's all internal.

I was looking at Schaub's contract 6y 48mil and Brees's contract 6y 60mil. Cassel would get a Brees type contract being he has starting experience and just inflation overall in the NFL. I'm sure Cassel hasn't thought too far into his contract aspirations, but it would be a good place to start.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Good point, hopefully it's all internal.

I was looking at Schaub's contract 6y 48mil and Brees's contract 6y 60mil. Cassel would get a Brees type contract being he has starting experience and just inflation overall in the NFL. I'm sure Cassel hasn't thought too far into his contract aspirations, but it would be a good place to start.

I agree it's not an out-of-line number, but that's not the same thing as saying "this is what Cassel wants."

 

[flapat]

The only problem with waiting until training camp is that his value in a trade will plummet as the start of the season opens (teams will realize that the Pats can't hang on to him forever). Plus, if the Pats wait until after the draft, then they're trading for 2010 draft picks instead of 2009 draft picks. [That may be a feature, not a bug, though, if the picks are high enough. ]

If the Pats trade him before the draft, they will likely get picks in 2009, whereas any comp pick they would get for Cassel would be in 2010.

But I would rather have that, than some Arena Football QB starting for us if Brady doesent recover right

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Teams who currently don't have a QB:

San Francisco - Shaun King has been playing well for Singletary, but they may want something more.

Minnesota - They've been trying to get by on the cheap.

Detroit - Complete chaos.

Teams with a question at QB, HC, or GM:

Kansas City - A new GM, Herm may or may not be around, and Tyler Thigpen may excite Herm, but he's a big question mark.

St. Louis - A new GM, a new HC, and Bulger didn't set the world on fire.

Tampa Bay - Garcia is most likely gone.

Philadelphia - McNabb is gunning for a new contract and who knows if Kolb is any good?

New York (J) -

Carolina - Delhomme stayed healthy this year, but he's been a concern.

Tennessee - Collins is UFA, Vince Young is MIA.

Washington - Does anyone know what is happening in Washington?

Dallas - Chaos central.