OPINION: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

[Lifer]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

The provincialism is unbelievable. That Boston is mecca and that its just assumed that Pioli will just spend the rest of his life just happy to be priviliged to be allowed to just be a part of things here.

That very well may be. But we dont know how peoples personal situations change. Maybe he and his family at a different place than they were 2 years ago and now is the time to make a move. Maybe he doesnt like New York. Maybe, for him, the lifestyle in Kansas City, is a better fit than Seattle. Who knows? None of us do, thats for sure.

Im just saying, to dismiss it foolish and naive. There was a time Belichick wanted to make his own mark without Parcells. There was a time Caroline Kennedy had no interest in political office. Things change.

And if Pioli gets a offer to be in total control in KC, which by the way, is a great franchise when run right, it was a cornerstone franchise when the Patriots were a laughingstock, whose to say he wont get rid of Edwards and take his shot at making his mark with the Chiefs?

Dayton Moore, the GM of the Royals, turned down a job in Boston when he was assistant GM of the Braves,"because it wasnt in the best interests of his children"
the next year he took the job in KC.
The KC area might also be more enticing to Pioli forthe same reason. You never know, people.

heres more today
Pioli or someone who can get Cowher are Chiefs’ best options - Kansas City Star

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

The provincialism is unbelievable. That Boston is mecca and that its just assumed that Pioli will just spend the rest of his life just happy to be priviliged to be allowed to just be a part of things here.

That very well may be. But we dont know how peoples personal situations change. Maybe he and his family at a different place than they were 2 years ago and now is the time to make a move. Maybe he doesnt like New York. Maybe, for him, the lifestyle in Kansas City, is a better fit than Seattle. Who knows? None of us do, thats for sure.

Im just saying, to dismiss it foolish and naive. There was a time Belichick wanted to make his own mark without Parcells. There was a time Caroline Kennedy had no interest in political office. Things change.

And if Pioli gets a offer to be in total control in KC, which by the way, is a great franchise when run right, it was a cornerstone franchise when the Patriots were a laughingstock, whose to say he wont get rid of Edwards and take his shot at making his mark with the Chiefs?

Dayton Moore, the GM of the Royals, turned down a job in Boston when he was assistant GM of the Braves,"because it wasnt in the best interests of his children"
the next year he took the job in KC.
The KC area might also be more enticing to Pioli forthe same reason. You never know, people.

heres more today
Pioli or someone who can get Cowher are Chiefs’ best options - Kansas City Star

Pioli has passed up offers before and made his intentions to stay pretty clear. While he could change his mind, it's certainly not "provincialism" to remember that going forward.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

Exactly. People need to THINK as opposed to reacting to the latest mediot rumor.

FYI newbies, 2 yrs ago Pioli turned down an excellent BIG $ offer by Paul Allen for Seattle, certainly not a LOSER franchise like one that picked Herm Edwards.

Let's see...I'm wealthy. I want to live in KC or Seattle. Let me think...

Who's reacting to what.I started a thread that simply said that KC was the latest in a long line of teams interested in Pioli. (thanks Alamo) Then a select few jump on it like i and others said hes Going to take the job if offered. KC is one of the legendary franchise's in the NFL, Seattle is NOT and never will be IMO. Some day Pioli will Leave, i don't think that day has come.

The select few also said this thread is "Dumb" If its so dumb why did you read it? Dumb compared to what, the 100(s) of ridiculous threads posted here over the last 3+ months that caused people like Patjew to leave and me to hide out in the arcade. Where was your disdain for them?
If you think a thread or a post is dumb ridiculous etc. DON'T READ IT, It works for me. If i see a thread that looks dumb i don't bother opening it.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

The provincialism is unbelievable. That Boston is mecca and that its just assumed that Pioli will just spend the rest of his life just happy to be priviliged to be allowed to just be a part of things here.

That very well may be. But we dont know how peoples personal situations change. Maybe he and his family at a different place than they were 2 years ago and now is the time to make a move. Maybe he doesnt like New York. Maybe, for him, the lifestyle in Kansas City, is a better fit than Seattle. Who knows? None of us do, thats for sure.

Im just saying, to dismiss it foolish and naive. There was a time Belichick wanted to make his own mark without Parcells. There was a time Caroline Kennedy had no interest in political office. Things change.

And if Pioli gets a offer to be in total control in KC, which by the way, is a great franchise when run right, it was a cornerstone franchise when the Patriots were a laughingstock, whose to say he wont get rid of Edwards and take his shot at making his mark with the Chiefs?

Dayton Moore, the GM of the Royals, turned down a job in Boston when he was assistant GM of the Braves,"because it wasnt in the best interests of his children"
the next year he took the job in KC.
The KC area might also be more enticing to Pioli forthe same reason. You never know, people.

heres more today
Pioli or someone who can get Cowher are Chiefs’ best options - Kansas City Star

I do agree that it is provincial homerism to actually use facts to show that Pioli has had opportunities to leave before and have total control and tons of money elsewhere and passed at the chance. Pioli has been a hot commodity for over half a decade. He could have had his pick of virtually any open GM job since 2003. Yet, he has either rejected every offer or took his name out of the running before he could be asked because he is happy here.

It isn't homerism or provinciality. It is seeing Pioli's actions. He seems to be content in his situation now than going elsewhere. He isn't the only guy who has ever done this in sports. Monty Kiffin could have had about a dozen head coaching jobs in his career, but he was happy to spend over a decade as the Bucs' defensive coordinator (at least until this year where he has decided to coach under his son). Not every guy has the desire to have total control.

Pioli may want to stay here because he feels his legacy will be greater partnering with Belichick and having Brady as his QB. He may enjoy the stability and job security which he has here and he would not have elsewhere if he didn't turn around the team quickly. He may just not want to uproot his family and force his kids leave their school and friends. There are a lot of positives here for Pioli over any other position in the league if he doesn't desire to have total control which he seems to have shunned in the past.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

It isn't homerism or provinciality. It is seeing Pioli's actions. He seems to be content in his situation now than going elsewhere. He isn't the only guy who has ever done this in sports. Monty Kiffin could have had about a dozen head coaching jobs in his career, but he was happy to spend over a decade as the Bucs' defensive coordinator (at least until this year where he has decided to coach under his son). Not every guy has the desire to have total control.

As further evidence of this point, OL coach and assistant head coach Dante Scarnecchia says hi.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

Who's reacting to what.I started a thread that simply said that KC was the latest in a long line of teams interested in Pioli. (thanks Alamo) Then a select few jump on it like i and others said hes Going to take the job if offered. KC is one of the legendary franchise's in the NFL, Seattle is NOT and never will be IMO. Some day Pioli will Leave, i don't think that day has come.

The select few also said this thread is "Dumb" If its so dumb why did you read it? Dumb compared to what, the 100(s) of ridiculous threads posted here over the last 3+ months that caused people like Patjew to leave and me to hide out in the arcade. Where was your disdain for them?
If you think a thread or a post is dumb ridiculous etc. DON'T READ IT, It works for me. If i see a thread that looks dumb i don't bother opening it.

My name is not Pats1. I did not say the thread was dumb.
As to your thin skinned emotional over reaction, perhaps you'd better not post if you can't take criticism.
Me, I open a thread because I can't use telepathy to discern editorial rumor and speculation from fact without seeing the content.

 

[Lifer]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

I do agree that it is provincial homerism to actually use facts to show that Pioli has had opportunities to leave before and have total control and tons of money elsewhere and passed at the chance. Pioli has been a hot commodity for over half a decade. He could have had his pick of virtually any open GM job since 2003. Yet, he has either rejected every offer or took his name out of the running before he could be asked because he is happy here.

It isn't homerism or provinciality. It is seeing Pioli's actions. He seems to be content in his situation now than going elsewhere. He isn't the only guy who has ever done this in sports. Monty Kiffin could have had about a dozen head coaching jobs in his career, but he was happy to spend over a decade as the Bucs' defensive coordinator (at least until this year where he has decided to coach under his son). Not every guy has the desire to have total control.

Pioli may want to stay here because he feels his legacy will be greater partnering with Belichick and having Brady as his QB. He may enjoy the stability and job security which he has here and he would not have elsewhere if he didn't turn around the team quickly. He may just not want to uproot his family and force his kids leave their school and friends. There are a lot of positives here for Pioli over any other position in the league if he doesn't desire to have total control which he seems to have shunned in the past.

ok, you have convinced me. Pioli will never leave because he hasnt before. Its etched in stone, and anyone who even entertains the idea that someday he might want to have total control over another football franchise is just a stupid idiot.......

look, lets try this again. Nobody has suggested Pioli is leaving. But its totally ridiculous for anyone to rule it out. If you look at it objectively, which would make more sense, that a relatively young man, who has had great success for a period of time, would turn down some opportunities along the way, and then at some point be in a position in his life to go for a higher position? Or is it more likely that man, because he turned down a few offers when he felt his time wasnt finished where he was, made the decision to NEVER leave?

of course there are great reasons to stay. There are also great reasons to go. For any of us to say we can know based on what he did before is ludricrous. Because you turned a job offer down 2 years ago theres no way you could possibly make a career move now??? Who lives like that?
"Son, you've made your life choice. You turned down that job with Sprint in 2002. So there is no way you can take a job now in 2008 with Verizon that is offering you a big promotion with complete control over your department."

Yeah, right. makes sense to me.

as I said, you cant go by what he did or didnt do a few years ago, using that logic, Bill Belichick wouldnt have left Bill Parcells either. Its a fact Pioli made the choices he made before. That has no bearing on the choices he might make today.

Would you do every single thing in your life today that you did before?

To totally rule out the idea he would take a GM job, a promotion, elsewhere, and that anybody who is open to the idea that he might make that decision is somehow an idiot or not looking at "the facts", is someone thinking with their heart and not with their head.
Its cant happen because you dont want it to happen.
Thats provincialism. Or denial.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I'm too concerned with the next two weeks (and hopefully more) of football to focus on this, but, if Pioli goes anywhere, I think he should only go where there is an ownership that is thoroughly committed to winning. In fact, if he jumps at big bucks for a few years with an owner who isn't committed to winning, he will probably reduce his long term earnings.

His coin is very valuable right now because he has worked for the Krafts, who want to field a team that competes for the Playoffs every year (even when they lose their QB and half their D to injury). He has no need to jump at big bucks for a couple of years to a franchise without such a commitment, since he is a relatively young guy (43) who is assured of a long term stream of income at a high level if he stays right where he is.

If Jerry Jones or the Rooney's or Laurie or the Mara's (Tisch) make him an offer, then I think we might have to worry about losing him. These are other owners who are committed to building and rebuilding winners over time. But, I doubt they would pay him more than Kraft. So, then, he would have to decide whether he wanted to be part of building a winner somewhere else or stay where he is.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

My name is not Pats1. I did not say the thread was dumb.
As to your thin skinned emotional over reaction, perhaps you'd better not post if you can't take criticism.
Me, I open a thread because I can't use telepathy to discern editorial rumor and speculation from fact without seeing the content.

No you didn't say the thread was "dumb" but then again I never named you as the one who said it. By what you posted in response to one by BOX you put yourself on the side of those originally trashed it. I don't start a lot of threads, especially in the main forum but the last 2-3 have been harmless and i've gotten a -5 point rep hit for not putting a question mark at the end of one thread title. So yeah at this point I'm a little angry, more so at seeing what passes around here for a reputable thread and what doesn't.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

No you didn't say the thread was "dumb" but then again I never named you as the one who said it. By what you posted in response to one by BOX you put yourself on the side of those originally trashed it. I don't start a lot of threads, especially in the main forum but the last 2-3 have been harmless and i've gotten a -5 point rep hit for not putting a question mark at the end of one thread title. So yeah at this point I'm a little angry, more so at seeing what passes around here for a reputable thread and what doesn't.

Don't react to some idiot's down rep because of trivia.

Me, I'll give you a big up tick rep offset so you can return to normal posting.

 

[Lifer]

I'm too concerned with the next two weeks (and hopefully more) of football to focus on this, but, if Pioli goes anywhere, I think he should only go where there is an ownership that is thoroughly committed to winning. In fact, if he jumps at big bucks for a few years with an owner who isn't committed to winning, he will probably reduce his long term earnings.

His coin is very valuable right now because he has worked for the Krafts, who want to field a team that competes for the Playoffs every year (even when they lose their QB and half their D to injury). He has no need to jump at big bucks for a couple of years to a franchise without such a commitment, since he is a relatively young guy (43) who is assured of a long term stream of income at a high level if he stays right where he is.

If Jerry Jones or the Rooney's or Laurie or the Mara's (Tisch) make him an offer, then I think we might have to worry about losing him. These are other owners who are committed to building and rebuilding winners over time. But, I doubt they would pay him more than Kraft. So, then, he would have to decide whether he wanted to be part of building a winner somewhere else or stay where he is.

Then I would advise you to read through the articles the last few days regarding Clark Hunt, Lamars son, who now owns the Chiefs. He is not satisfied with the way his father ran the organization, that is why Carl Peterson is out. He is committed to long term, thats why the youth movement.
But im glad you are open to the possibility that its not an insane idea Pioli could one day want to be a big time GM in his own right.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

Don't react to some idiot's down rep because of trivia.

Me, I'll give you a big up tick rep offset so you can return to normal posting.

Thank you PWP for the positive response. As far as letting someone get me down in over 5,000 posts and threads I have never given anyone a neg rep,and if i did the person would know it was me.I feel that those who do this without putting their name on it are gutless cowards. I also don't understand why someone would go out of their way to do such a thing unless they were attacked in a derogatory manner concerning their religion, culture, ethnicity etc. But thats what Mods are for.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

ok, you have convinced me. Pioli will never leave because he hasnt before. Its etched in stone, and anyone who even entertains the idea that someday he might want to have total control over another football franchise is just a stupid idiot.......

look, lets try this again. Nobody has suggested Pioli is leaving. But its totally ridiculous for anyone to rule it out. If you look at it objectively, which would make more sense, that a relatively young man, who has had great success for a period of time, would turn down some opportunities along the way, and then at some point be in a position in his life to go for a higher position? Or is it more likely that man, because he turned down a few offers when he felt his time wasnt finished where he was, made the decision to NEVER leave?

of course there are great reasons to stay. There are also great reasons to go. For any of us to say we can know based on what he did before is ludricrous. Because you turned a job offer down 2 years ago theres no way you could possibly make a career move now??? Who lives like that?
"Son, you've made your life choice. You turned down that job with Sprint in 2002. So there is no way you can take a job now in 2008 with Verizon that is offering you a big promotion with complete control over your department."

Yeah, right. makes sense to me.

as I said, you cant go by what he did or didnt do a few years ago, using that logic, Bill Belichick wouldnt have left Bill Parcells either. Its a fact Pioli made the choices he made before. That has no bearing on the choices he might make today.

Would you do every single thing in your life today that you did before?

To totally rule out the idea he would take a GM job, a promotion, elsewhere, and that anybody who is open to the idea that he might make that decision is somehow an idiot or not looking at "the facts", is someone thinking with their heart and not with their head.
Its cant happen because you dont want it to happen.
Thats provincialism. Or denial.

Could Pioli leave? Yeah. Will he? I really doubt it. I definitely wouldn't bet on it based on Mike Florio speculations (who is now speculating that the Chiefs will give **** Vermeil a position like Parcells has now).

Pioli will be speculated on for every open GM position in the league. Until there is at least a decent rumor that Pioli is even interested in interviewing for other positions, there is no reason to believe he intends to leave any time soon. As I said before, I would be willing to bet he lasts longer with the Pats than Belichick does. Remember last year before the season the hot rumor was Belichick was going to leave the Pats after the season and become the Giants head coach.

 

[pao]

It looks like its possible Kc will join the list of teams that have tried to pry Scott Piolie from the Patruots. Kc is a pretty prestigeous team,unlike Detroit.

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Dang, I was hoping they'd hire Matt Millen.

 

[reflexblue]

Dang, I was hoping they'd hire Matt Millen.

I never said that Pioli would take the job so maybe they will but i doubt it. Looking back at this thread man did i ever butcher the spellin. My excuse? I can't spell when i'm good and alert never mind early in the morning.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

Could Pioli leave? Yeah. Will he? I really doubt it. I definitely wouldn't bet on it based on Mike Florio speculations (who is now speculating that the Chiefs will give **** Vermeil a position like Parcells has now).

Pioli will be speculated on for every open GM position in the league. Until there is at least a decent rumor that Pioli is even interested in interviewing for other positions, there is no reason to believe he intends to leave any time soon. As I said before, I would be willing to bet he lasts longer with the Pats than Belichick does. Remember last year before the season the hot rumor was Belichick was going to leave the Pats after the season and become the Giants head coach.

I think Pioli would be offered the job as GM of the Pats if and when BB decides to leave.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

Im just saying, to dismiss it foolish and naive.

Mark me down as foolish and naive.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

Thank you PWP for the positive response. As far as letting someone get me down in over 5,000 posts and threads I have never given anyone a neg rep. And I feel that those who do this without putting their name on it are gutless cowards. I also don't understand why someone would go out of their way to do such a thing unless they were attacked in a derogatory manner concerning their religion, culture, ethnicity etc. But thats what Mods are for.

The name doesn't get put on there because of the way Ian has it set up. The comments are anonymous, so someone would have to specifically type their name in the comment for you to know who did it.

As for the negative rep, don't let it bother you. I've gotten negative rep for posting:

My suggestion to you:

Don't bet the house on Wilhite succeeding.

You never know what's going to set someone off.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Then I would advise you to read through the articles the last few days regarding Clark Hunt, Lamars son, who now owns the Chiefs. He is not satisfied with the way his father ran the organization, that is why Carl Peterson is out. He is committed to long term, thats why the youth movement.
But im glad you are open to the possibility that its not an insane idea Pioli could one day want to be a big time GM in his own right.

That's why I started by acknowledging that I haven't had time to focus on this and do some research. But, since you ask.

The Hunt name is a powerful force in the annals of the AFL and the NFL, as anyone who has studied the history of the league knows. But, this is a franchise that has lost its direction, probably because the late, great Lamar Hunt was fighting cancer for the last decade of his life. BTW, I think his illness had a lot more to do with things than is suggested by "how his father ran the organization."

My only point was that Pioli would be ill advised to take short term, big bucks from an owner who wanted to make a splash by hiring him but who wasn't committed to backing him up and building a winner.

I'll take your word for it that Lamar's son is otherwise focused, but the evidence has not yet started to appear, as we are reminded every time Herm Edwards takes the sidelines as HC; nor, has Carl Peterson instilled a lot of confidence. That's two bad calls, IMO.

It would be a leap of faith for Scott to assume that the ownership of this Franchise has all of a sudden "seen the light" and has now turned itself around and is committed to building a winner again.

 

[Lifer]

That's why I started by acknowledging that I haven't had time to focus on this and do some research. But, since you ask.

The Hunt name is a powerful force in the annals of the AFL and the NFL, as anyone who has studied the history of the league knows. But, this is a franchise that has lost its direction, probably because the late, great Lamar Hunt was fighting cancer for the last decade of his life. BTW, I think his illness had a lot more to do with things than is suggested by "how his father ran the organization."

My only point was that Pioli would be ill advised to take short term, big bucks from an owner who wanted to make a splash by hiring him but who wasn't committed to backing him up and building a winner.

I'll take your word for it that Lamar's son is otherwise focused, but the evidence has not yet started to appear, as we are reminded every time Herm Edwards takes the sidelines as HC; nor, has Carl Peterson instilled a lot of confidence. That's two bad calls, IMO.

It would be a leap of faith for Scott to assume that the ownership of this Franchise has all of a sudden "seen the light" and has now turned itself around and is committed to building a winner again.

Neither Carl Peterson, hired in 1988, or Herm Edwards, were Clark Hunts call. So why are you blaming him for it? I think by firing Peterson, and going with the youth movement through the draft, that he is showing things need to be different.

And if he goes after Pioli, it wont be short term, it would be for a long term commitment.

But we shall see. My point has never been its going to happen or that it should, simply that it could.