NFLTA: AFCE Logjam - A lot of confidence in the Pats

[JSn]

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Here's a nice, plain terms convo on how the "experts" see us getting into the playoffs.

No one seems to think the Cards will beat us. I wonder where the confidence comes from? I know how it's gone for the Cards so far, but are we the weakest D they've faced?

We're 16th in total defense (that actually surprises me a little) and 6th in total offense.

The Cards are 4th in total offense and 14th in total defense.

That means the Cards are a notch better than us in two areas. Where is the confidence in NE among the talking heads coming from?
I'm not trying to start an argument, I just wonder if you think we'll win handily, why?

I think we can outscore them simply because our total O includes a few very low scoring games early on, and is expanded by improvement in every area of our offensive unit. Thoughts?

 

[Gwedd]

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Sounds good to me. We also get to play at home, and outdoors. Warner is an excellent and resilient QB, but he can also develop a case of happy feet real fast, with the resulting opportunities that creates for a defense.

I also think the Jets and Dolphins are about to fall flat. Yeah, they BOTH won sunday, but in the JESTS case, it took a bad decision by Buffalo, and the Dolphins still had their hands full with the 49rs. Baltimore might be playing tough, but they are one or two small explosions away from a discipline problem on the field, like what happened to them when we played them last year. The Ravens certainly have anger control issues, and that will bite them big time against Dallas, who, despite THAT particular NFL soap opera, will want this game more, IMHO.

I think New England wants this game more than Arizona NEEDS the game, because the Cardinals don't NEED anything. We win, Arizona, Miami Baltimore and the JESTS lose, and then we shuffle off to Buffalo.....

 

[Pats726]

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I happened to have NFLN on earlier for a bit and they were talking about the AFC East as well. They really thought the Pats were on an upswing and would get in over thr Ravens. The Fins would win the division and the Jets?? Kept saying they were thinking of backing in and would not happen. What happened to the darling Jets??

 

[Dagg]

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If we played in there division our numbers would look better if they played on ours theres would be worse. I wouldnt put to much into those ratings.

 

[Jared]

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Why do people keep saying it was a bad decision by Buffalo? Bad execution, sure. But on the previous drive, Losman was methodical on the short routes, and he has had the mobility for roll outs. Just because something catastrophically bad happened, it doesn't mean it was a bad choice.

 

[j00fek]

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confidence dont get you into the playoffs in these scenario's

 

[MassPats38]

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Why do people keep saying it was a bad decision by Buffalo? Bad execution, sure. But on the previous drive, Losman was methodical on the short routes, and he has had the mobility for roll outs. Just because something catastrophically bad happened, it doesn't mean it was a bad choice.

Lynch had gouged the Jets for more than 100 yards and had just run for 5. You have the backup QB in who has thrown for approximately the same yardage in the game as Lynch has run for as well as 2 INTs. The ball is on your 27. It is second down. You have a lead of 3 points. There are just over two minutes to go in the game. The Jets have 2 timeouts and the 2 minute warning to stop the clock.

The Buffalo defense was not awful that day. Lynch runs, maybe gets a first. 2 minute warning. It is then third and short. If the Jets could not stop Lynch you run again. The Jets call a quick timeout. Less than 2 minutes, the Bills have a good punter in a kick from the Bills 30. If he booms it, the Jets could get the ball on their 20 or 30 with 90 seconds to run the field. Favre's arm is tired, he is prone to throwing interceptions and the game is on the line. The Jets would be looking for a field goal, not a TD. That is if the Bills couldn't get a first down and run the clock out.

The Bills' passing gamble is fine if you have a solid QB and an eye to running out the clock with a new set of downs. Putting the ball in his hands with a slight lead and your own end zone in view is not a reasonable risk. The risk of doing so far outweighs the gain if you like to win. It was a lousy decision.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Why do people keep saying it was a bad decision by Buffalo? Bad execution, sure. But on the previous drive, Losman was methodical on the short routes, and he has had the mobility for roll outs. Just because something catastrophically bad happened, it doesn't mean it was a bad choice.

Faulty memories and a need to out-think the room. The Patriots were passing for first downs against the Jaguars in a similar situation in last season's playoff game.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

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Faulty memories and a need to out-think the room. The Patriots were passing for first downs against the Jaguars in a similar situation in last season's playoff game.

Yes, but as you've noted once or a dozen times, Brady v. Losman changes the play calling dynamic. :halo:

 

[captadamnj]

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The Cards are not coming in to Foxboro in December and winning a game that has the implications for the Pats that it does. Especially since they are locked into the 3/4 seed in the playoffs and have no chance to earn a bye.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Yes, but as you've noted once or a dozen times, Brady v. Losman changes the play calling dynamic. :halo:

The problem with the "this is Losman" argument is this:

1-10-BUF 36 (8:45) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 86-D.Fine pushed ob at BUF 47 for 11 yards (99-B.Thomas).
1-10-BUF 47 (8:20) 7-J.Losman pass short left to 82-J.Reed to NYJ 39 for 14 yards (50-E.Barton).
1-10-NYJ 39 (7:43) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 82-J.Reed to NYJ 28 for 11 yards (24-D.Revis, 27-A.Elam).
1-10-NYJ 28 (6:59) (Shotgun) 7-J.Losman pass short left to 83-L.Evans to NYJ 20 for 8 yards (22-T.Law).
2-2-NYJ 20 (6:27) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to NYJ 11 for 9 yards (97-C.Pace, 27-A.Elam).
1-10-NYJ 11 (5:39) 22-F.Jackson left tackle for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

NFL Game Center: Play-by-Play - Buffalo Bills at New York Jets - 2008 15

That's the summary of the drive before, where Losman drove his team 64 yards for the go-ahead score.

 

[SVN]

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Lynch had gouged the Jets for more than 100 yards and had just run for 5. You have the backup QB in who has thrown for approximately the same yardage in the game as Lynch has run for as well as 2 INTs. The ball is on your 27. It is second down. You have a lead of 3 points. There are just over two minutes to go in the game. The Jets have 2 timeouts and the 2 minute warning to stop the clock.

The Buffalo defense was not awful that day. Lynch runs, maybe gets a first. 2 minute warning. It is then third and short. If the Jets could not stop Lynch you run again. The Jets call a quick timeout. Less than 2 minutes, the Bills have a good punter in a kick from the Bills 30. If he booms it, the Jets could get the ball on their 20 or 30 with 90 seconds to run the field. Favre's arm is tired, he is prone to throwing interceptions and the game is on the line. The Jets would be looking for a field goal, not a TD. That is if the Bills couldn't get a first down and run the clock out.

The Bills' passing gamble is fine if you have a solid QB and an eye to running out the clock with a new set of downs. Putting the ball in his hands with a slight lead and your own end zone in view is not a reasonable risk. The risk of doing so far outweighs the gain if you like to win. It was a lousy decision.

doesnt matter how well lossman played in the previous drive. game on the line you put the ball in the best players hand and that was lynch or the buffalo punter. not lossman.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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IMO, the best news is that the Forecast is now calling for a high of 28 and light snow...throw in a 15 MPH wind and get the wind chill down into the mid or low teens and Warner will be longing for his dome...

 

[Gwedd]

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doesnt matter how well lossman played in the previous drive. game on the line you put the ball in the best players hand and that was lynch or the buffalo punter. not lossman.

BINGO! The decision to put the ball into Losman's hands was not only a poor one, but the results were predictable. I sat and watched in disbelief as he rolled out right, clueless to his demise bearing down upon him from the blind side. It played out all too familiarly and I could sense it happening with an ever increasing ball of nauseous energy growing in my gut.

Sigh.... It reminded me of the Patriots of old, always finding a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Always playing well enough to make the inevitable loss hurt more than the previous loss.

 

[Peekaboo]

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BINGO! The decision to put the ball into Losman's hands was not only a poor one, but the results were predictable. I sat and watched in disbelief as he rolled out right, clueless to his demise bearing down upon him from the blind side. It played out all too familiarly and I could sense it happening with an ever increasing ball of nauseous energy growing in my gut.

Sigh.... It reminded me of the Patriots of old, always finding a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Always playing well enough to make the inevitable loss hurt more than the previous loss.

Losman is the single worst QB us Bills fans have ever seen. The coaching is no better. Speculation is that Jauron signed that 3 year extension. That's a total of 6 wins for the Pats the next three seasons.

 

[JSn]

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Mike Lombardi had an interesting take on this one:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/12/national-football-post-diner-news-80/

The reality here is that Eric Mangini made the wrong call in the game, not **** Jauron. You never call a timeout when the clock is under 2:10 because part of the reason for calling a timeout is to force a specific play call. When the clock is under 2:10, then the run/pass option is in play, and as a defense, you have to defend the whole playbook. Had Mangini let the clock run down to the two-minute warning, the Bills would have been forced to only run the ball at that point since the clock and the Jets were the opponent. Now, the Bills made a mistake because putting the ball in J.P.’s hand was a bad play. But in the reality of game management, they did the right thing. They should have spread the field and forced the Jets to have to declare their hand and then maybe taken a shot down the field. But as mad as Bills fans are at Jauron, he fundamentally made the right decision — but they did make a bad call.

 

[Gwedd]

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Losman is the single worst QB us Bills fans have ever seen. The coaching is no better. Speculation is that Jauron signed that 3 year extension. That's a total of 6 wins for the Pats the next three seasons.

And you know, I like a lot of the Bills players. There are guys there with real talent and real heart, and as a fan of football, it always bothers me to see them play their hearts out under a situation like this. It'd be one thing if it was a QB under development, someone who was improving on a steady basis, but Losman is very fitful. He can look brilliant at times, and he can run if he needs to, but Bills fans have to sit on the edge of their seats every week wondering what he's going to do to tank the game.

To top it off, Buffalo has economic problems too, and has to worry about losing the Bills in the near future. That's a recipe to bring heartburn to even the most die-hard fans, and make them wonder if spending the money on a ticket is a worthwhile investment when they could be at home, warm, comfortable, and watching the game on the flat-screen with a nice sound system.

respects,

 

[Deus Irae]

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doesnt matter how well lossman played in the previous drive. game on the line you put the ball in the best players hand and that was lynch or the buffalo punter. not lossman.

You'd better tell that to BB, then, because he's made these calls both with passing and with running.

 

[signbabybrady]

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Why do people keep saying it was a bad decision by Buffalo? Bad execution, sure. But on the previous drive, Losman was methodical on the short routes, and he has had the mobility for roll outs. Just because something catastrophically bad happened, it doesn't mean it was a bad choice.

I don't care what he looked like in the previous drive he is still the back up QB and someone who lost his starting job to become the back up. I would compare this to putting the ball in Scott Zolaks hand instead of running clock and giving your De a chance. I like the idea of throwing in this situation as if you pick up the first your de shouldnt see the field again but you have to have the tools to execute the play and I just don't trust Losman more than I trust my De if I were a bills fan.