Cassel: what we've seen so far

[sieglo]

This is really amazing to me. I honestly don't think I watched the same game yesterday that many other seemed to have watched.

Cassel did not have a great game. But the reason the game was lost had nothing to do with Cassel. It had to do first and foremost with horrible defense, which seems to be a recurring pattern in NE losses. I think many viewers honestly only watch the game when the Pats have the ball.

In addition to horrible defense, you had pathetic drops by Randy Moss and others. You had breakdowns in the offensive line. Cassel sureley didn't play a great game. But he started well and fell apart after the wheels came off the rest of the team.

 

[PJM]

One problem Cassel may face in looking for a starting job is the big group of free agent QBs on the market:
Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots
Kyle Orton, UFA, Chicago Bears
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
(2009 NFL Free Agents)
There is also the real chance that McNabb will move on. I'd put him in the upper half of that group but he may not have his pick of teams.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

This is really amazing to me. I honestly don't think I watched the same game yesterday that many other seemed to have watched.

Cassel did not have a great game. But the reason the game was lost had nothing to do with Cassel. It had to do first and foremost with horrible defense, which seems to be a recurring pattern in NE losses. I think many viewers honestly only watch the game when the Pats have the ball.

In addition to horrible defense, you had pathetic drops by Randy Moss and others. You had breakdowns in the offensive line. Cassel sureley didn't play a great game. But he started well and fell apart after the wheels came off the rest of the team.

the defense wasn't that bad .......the steelers generated 20 points and a missed FG off of 97 yards of offense.........

the steelers did a great job in confusing cassel by taking away the middle ....... cassel has little to no ability for improvisation

 

[stcjones]

Football games have been played in harsh conditions such as rain and snow. In these situations, we clearly separate a good QB from a OK QB or the greatest one from a good one. Unfortunately, we don't see it in Cassel.

We dominated the division for 5 years and can't hold on to the title this year.

When facing a 'good' team such as Steeler, Colts, and Chargers, Cassel failed miserably.

As a GM, you have to ask yourself these questions:

1-Do I really need a QB whom I can't depend on in the most important games?
2-Do I really need a QB who can't perform well under pressure and bad weather?

Very very good realistic post here......When Cassel has had to make the plays and lead this team against GOOD defenses....he has failed as you say....pretty miserably.....

Against the KC's.....Denver's......etc....he has looked good.....

I don't see any top GM's or coaches gunning for the kid after yesterday....Besides that, his INABILITY overall to make plays in the red zone is a huge red flag........FG team!!!!

 

[stcjones]

This is really amazing to me. I honestly don't think I watched the same game yesterday that many other seemed to have watched.

Cassel did not have a great game. But the reason the game was lost had nothing to do with Cassel. It had to do first and foremost with horrible defense, which seems to be a recurring pattern in NE losses. I think many viewers honestly only watch the game when the Pats have the ball.

In addition to horrible defense, you had pathetic drops by Randy Moss and others. You had breakdowns in the offensive line. Cassel sureley didn't play a great game. But he started well and fell apart after the wheels came off the rest of the team.

In fairness, you are right....It had to do with alot more than just Matt Cassel....the whole team laid an EGG once AGAIN!!!! 5 turnovers.....Matt Light getting his panties caught around his ankles play after play........The entire OL getting prison raped....leading to 5 sacks.....and the D....don't even get me started on them.........ouch.....

I just don't think Cassel can make it happen against the top D's in the league right now.....which is what the discussion topic is about.......whereas Brady always seemed to make something out of nothing.....can't wait for him to get back!

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I don't see any top GM's or coaches gunning for the kid after yesterday....

The top GMs and coaches already have QBs, anyways.

I don't know what yardstick you're using, but given how little support he's had from the rest of the team, he's done a damn good job so far.

 

[NEPatriot]

And, somehow, this is solely Cassel's fault.


The Colts game is also wondering what game you were watching. Cassel didn't lose that game, the rest of the team did.

I'll give you the Chargers and Steelers, to an extent, but, as I wrote above, Cassel isn't supposed to catch passes, return kickoffs, make tackles, or block defenders--and all of those played just as big a role in the loss today.

He runs the offense. If you look in Pats' O, what do you see? you see the same players minus TB?

Cassel turned this group upside down. The saddest part is we can't hold on to the division champion and won't make it to the playoff with an EASY schedule. How long has he been in the system? I don't see much from a 4 year system guy.

How pathetic is that?

 

[NEPatriot]

3 - Do I really need to analyze the technique, arm strength, accuracy, leadership, mobility and pocket presence he's shown through most of the season, or should I react in a knee-jerk fashion to his very first NFL game played in bad conditions against a top-rated defense?

This is not the FIRST time Cassel scored less than 18 points. Remember Chief and first Jets or Dolphins and other games?

Oh, we didn't play in bad weather, did we? We didn't score a lot of points against Chief either. Why am I surprised!

Excuses are for irresponsible losers.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

This is not the FIRST time Cassel scored less than 18 points. Remember Chief and first Jets or Dolphins and other games?

Wow, think how bad he'd stink if football was a team sport!

Oh, we didn't play in bad weather, did we? We didn't score a lot of points against Chief either. Why am I surprised!

I dunno, why are you surprised? I mean NE should be 0-12 based on your assessments to date.

Excuses are for irresponsible losers.

I'm sure none of the excuses you've made for NE winning a game with Cassel under center could ever cause this to apply to you.

 

[NEPatriot]

Wow, think how bad he'd stink if football was a team sport!

Who gets the ball first? Cassel.
Who throws the ball? Cassel.
Who hands the ball to RB? Cassel.

Is this team better off with TB than Cassel? Absolutely.

I dunno, why are you surprised? I mean NE should be 0-12 based on your assessments to date.

Easy schedule. How pathetic is it when we don't make it to the playoff and hold on to #1 AFC East division with this schedule?

I'm sure none of the excuses you've made for NE winning a game with Cassel under center could ever cause this to apply to you.

You feel good about our win? How did it happen? We faced lousy teamS. What happened when we faced good teams? We were CRUSHED.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow, think how bad he'd stink if football was a team sport!

I dunno, why are you surprised? I mean NE should be 0-12 based on your assessments to date.

I'm sure none of the excuses you've made for NE winning a game with Cassel under center could ever cause this to apply to you.

Box, may I make a suggestion?

This message is hidden because NEPatriot is on your ignore list.

Trust me, you'll feel much better.

 

[NEPatriot]

Wow, think how bad he'd stink if football was a team sport!

We didn't see this kind of problem when TB was on the field. Perhaps, Cassel needs to set the tone for our O?

01 rookie TB without Moss and Welker= A SB ring.
08 4 year system Cassel with Moss and Welker= NO ring.

The result speaks for itself.

 

[Lifer]

We didn't see this kind of problem when TB was on the field. Perhaps, Cassel needs to set the tone for our O?

01 rookie TB without Moss and Welker= A SB ring.
08 4 year system Cassel with Moss and Welker= NO ring.

The result speaks for itself.

01 rookie TB without Moss and Welker plus a much better defense and much better special teams = A SB ring

08 QB who hadnt started since HS with a crappy defense and special teams
= team with the same 7-5 record 01 team had at this point in the season.

the result speaks for itself.

Cassel is no Brady but hes done a terrific job.

 

[NEPatriot]

01 rookie TB without Moss and Welker plus a much better defense and much better special teams = A SB ring

08 QB who hadnt started since HS with a crappy defense and special teams
= team with the same 7-5 record 01 team had at this point in the season.

the result speaks for itself.

Cassel is no Brady but hes done a terrific job.

Don't we have the same special team as last year?

Don't forget that our current kicker SCORES more points than Cassel. How is that crappy? Because 'Slater' didn't hold the ball?


Any 'terrific' QB can play 16 games.

 

[PrairiePat]

We didn't see this kind of problem when TB was on the field. Perhaps, Cassel needs to set the tone for our O?

01 rookie TB without Moss and Welker= A SB ring.
08 4 year system Cassel with Moss and Welker= NO ring.

The result speaks for itself.

Does it now. Nobody here is claiming he's another TB but he's been pretty good. What would you like him to improve on, exactly?

Completion % - Higher than 2001 TB
Yds/attempt - More than 2001 TB
Int % - Lower than 2001 TB

I'd throw in rushing yards too, but that's a bit ridiculous He's a slightly more efficient passer, but 2001 TB was better at the long ball and in the red zone. I think all of us would have taken those #'s and counted ourselves extremely lucky back in early September.

So what's the problem? Well, since we're at the EXACT SAME RECORD at this point in the season as we were in 2001, I'm not sure there is anything wrong. But if you're looking for problem areas, you might look to the defense for some answers....

Opponent yds/pass attempt - 6.8 (2001), 7.6 (2008)
Interceptions - 22 in 16 games (2001), 12 in 12 games (2008)

The 2001 team was good at pass defense, generated lots of turnovers, and really came on late in the season. This year's Pats stop the run better, have problems in pass defense, and don't generate many turnovers. They have 4 games to try to turn the pass defense around and try to match their 2001 counterpart's momentum.

 

[Lifer]

Don't we have the same special team as last year?

Don't forget that our current kicker SCORES more points than Cassel. How is that crappy? Because 'Slater' didn't hold the ball?


Any 'terrific' QB can play 16 games.

was it GOOD that Slater didnt hold the ball? Is Welker able to do as much damage on punt returns this year?

I love these people that say "its the same team that went 16-0"...

no, it is not. even if every single player was the same, you go by performance, not by their names, ok?

they are not playing as well so it is not as good special teams play. And besides, even last years ST's werent as good as the 2001 team. Neither was the defense at the end of the season.

then again....are you going to blame Cassel for Slaters drop? Or the missed FG? or Moss and Gaffney and Watson dropping balls?

 

[NEPatriot]

Does it now. Nobody here is claiming he's another TB but he's been pretty good. What would you like him to improve on, exactly?

Completion % - Higher than 2001 TB
Yds/attempt - More than 2001 TB
Int % - Lower than 2001 TB

I'd throw in rushing yards too, but that's a bit ridiculous He's a slightly more efficient passer, but 2001 TB was better at the long ball and in the red zone. I think all of us would have taken those #'s and counted ourselves extremely lucky back in early September.

So what's the problem? Well, since we're at the EXACT SAME RECORD at this point in the season as we were in 2001, I'm not sure there is anything wrong. But if you're looking for problem areas, you might look to the defense for some answers....

Opponent yds/pass attempt - 6.8 (2001), 7.6 (2008)
Interceptions - 22 in 16 games (2001), 12 in 12 games (2008)

The 2001 team was good at pass defense, generated lots of turnovers, and really came on late in the season. This year's Pats stop the run better, have problems in pass defense, and don't generate many turnovers. They have 4 games to try to turn the pass defense around and try to match their 2001 counterpart's momentum.

All these stats don't mean anything when we don't make it to playoff. By the way, he only had good stat when facing lousy teams. Go figure!

Of course, the D had to be crappy because Cassel wasn't on the field that long and scored less than 15 pts.

If Cassel is 'terrific', why does our kicker have more points than him?

 

[NEPatriot]

was it GOOD that Slater didnt hold the ball? Is Welker able to do as much damage on punt returns this year?

I love these people that say "its the same team that went 16-0"...

you have double standard when it comes to Cassel. You used slater instead of Welker and we have a crappy special team when he didn't hold on the ball.

You keep Cassel after TB got hurt and we have 'amazing' O when he failed to score? WTF is wrong with your thought?

no, it is not. even if every single player was the same, you go by performance, not by their names, ok?

we didn't have a lot of problems when TB was here. After Cassel showed up, we suddenly see problems everywhere. Why is that?

they are not playing as well so it is not as good special teams play. And besides, even last years ST's werent as good as the 2001 team. Neither was the defense at the end of the season.

but our kicker DID NOT have more points than TB. Please name me a kicker who scores more than his QB?

then again....are you going to blame Cassel for Slaters drop? Or the missed FG? or Moss and Gaffney and Watson dropping balls?

The ball was not 'miraculously' dropped on these people's hands from above.

How many times did we punt or walk away with empty hand or FG?

 

[JSn]

Re: Tarded

We didn't see this kind of problem when TB was on the field. Perhaps, Cassel needs to set the tone for our O?

01 rookie TB without Moss and Welker= A SB ring.
08 4 year system Cassel with Moss and Welker= NO ring.

The result speaks for itself.

07 Vet TB (w/ 3 SB rings) with Moss and Welker AND undefeated season = No Ring.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

All these stats don't mean anything when we don't make it to playoff.

What are you whining about now? It's not like you ever expected this team to go anywhere but Detroitville with Matt Cassel and now you are mad because they may not make the playoffs?

By the way, he only had good stat when facing lousy teams. Go figure!

Yeh, lousy teams who are the leading contenders for the playoffs, pull the other one while you're at it.

Of course, the D had to be crappy because Cassel wasn't on the field that long and scored less than 15 pts.

According to you that's nearly every team NE played this season, the very definition of a "weak schedule." It seems life is even more confusing than I'd have thought when you rely on a 2007 calendar to navigate 2008 - do you sell many of your pretzels using expired dates on the packaging?

If Cassel is 'terrific', why does our kicker have more points than him?

Newsflash - Tom Brady was outscored by the Patriots Placekicker in each of his NFL seasons and even his college seasons. Look it up if you don't believe me.

In deference to the wisdom of Deus Irae, I must now consign you to the sad and pathetic list of individuals who confuse horsehide and pigskin when shooting hoops from the blue line.