As the season winds down...

[Box_O_Rocks]

With a 7-5 record after week 13 NE has:

Rd 1: #18
Rd 2: #40 (from SD)
Rd 2: #49 (bump up to the #17 draft position as part of the 7-5 teams rotation)
Rd 3: #86 (dropping to the last place #22 position of the 7-5 teams).

While I hope they get some help to get them that wildcard slot, it's not bad draft positioning for a team looking to re-tool for another strong decade competing in the playoffs.

 

[j00fek]

this could be a great draft, many players are expected to come out because of the 2010 cba...

 

[BelichickFan]

This should be a very strong draft as j00fek said. Regarding the draft position, I expect us to win 3/4 to end the season, maybe even 4/4 although I can't imagine our pass defense holding up against the Cardinals so I think we'll be down in the mid 20s when all is said and done.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

With a 7-5 record after week 13 NE has:

Rd 1: #18
Rd 2: #40 (from SD)
Rd 2: #49 (bump up to the #17 draft position as part of the 7-5 teams rotation)
Rd 3: #86 (dropping to the last place #22 position of the 7-5 teams).

While I hope they get some help to get them that wildcard slot, it's not bad draft positioning for a team looking to re-tool for another strong decade competing in the playoffs.

Minor point, Box, but I think you forgot to cycle the San Diego pick properly; I think it's actually #39.

Likewise, it hasn't been announced, but the Pats will almost certainly have either #97 or #98 as comp for Asante.

 

[mgteich]

Given Belichick's history, I would expect the #86 to be traded into 2010, and for us to have #97 for Samuel.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Given Belichick's history, I would expect the #86 to be traded into 2010, and for us to have #97 for Samuel.

there is potential for a #3 in 2010 in return for someone signing cassel

 

[BradyManny]

Given Belichick's history, I would expect the #86 to be traded into 2010, and for us to have #97 for Samuel.

I'd agree - except I'm still uncertain about how the uncapped year affects the draft. I remember Belichick saying something about there being no draft...I highly doubt that would ever come to pass, but just the thought of it scares me.

 

[Jimke]

I'd agree - except I'm still uncertain about how the uncapped year affects the draft. I remember Belichick saying something about there being no draft...I highly doubt that would ever come to pass, but just the thought of it scares me.

If the CBA expires, I believe the draft ends after the 2010 draft.

 

[BradyManny]

If the CBA expires, I believe the draft ends after the 2010 draft.

So, either way there is an 2010 draft - and then we'd just hope they'd figure something out by 2011?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

So, either way there is an 2010 draft - and then we'd just hope they'd figure something out by 2011?

To quote the CBA

There shall be an Annual Selection Meeting (the "College Draft" or "Draft") each League Year during the term of this Agreement and in the League Year immediately following the expiration or termination of this Agreement . . .

In other words, the salary cap is currently on track to disappear in 2010 (the last year of the CBA, now that the owners voted to terminate it early), so the CBA guarantees a draft in 2011, but not in 2012.

 

[BradyManny]

To quote the CBA



In other words, the salary cap is currently on track to disappear in 2010 (the last year of the CBA, now that the owners voted to terminate it early), so the CBA guarantees a draft in 2011, but not in 2012.

Damn...they better get a move on and work something out. There's way too much at stake not to.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Minor point, Box, but I think you forgot to cycle the San Diego pick properly; I think it's actually #39.

My math teachers wouldn't be surprised a bit.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

As long as people are dreaming, let's do a little mocking: The Pats currently have #18, #39, #49, & #86 to work with in 2009.

Using Scout.com's Top 100 Scout.com: 2009 NFL Draft Rankings let's see whom people would draft and why. Yes, this is only the Senior class, but it's too early to know which Juniors are truly coming out so have fun with it.

For those who might wish to trade, use the Draft Value chart at Draft Countdown: Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

Take a moment to explain your draft thoughts, best value, best player available, need...

18: Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma - BB crosses up everybody by taking a WR/KR to groom alongside Randy Moss & Wes Welker.
39: Connor Barwin, OLB/TE, Cincinnati - An immediate contributor on STs and as the #3 TE, Barwin joins the mix of prospects BB is developing at LB.
49: Kevin Ellison, SS, USC - He reads like a Rodney clone, limited in coverage, great run stopper in the box, field general; I think it's too early to take him, but heh, we're just mocking.
86: Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama - Saban trained, highly productive SEC defender.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

As long as people are dreaming, let's do a little mocking: The Pats currently have #18, #39, #49, & #86 to work with in 2009.

Using Scout.com's Top 100 Scout.com: 2009 NFL Draft Rankings let's see whom people would draft and why. Yes, this is only the Senior class, but it's too early to know which Juniors are truly coming out so have fun with it.

For those who might wish to trade, use the Draft Value chart at Draft Countdown: Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

Take a moment to explain your draft thoughts, best value, best player available, need...

18: Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma - BB crosses up everybody by taking a WR/KR to groom alongside Randy Moss & Wes Welker.
39: Connor Barwin, OLB/TE, Cincinnati - An immediate contributor on STs and as the #3 TE, Barwin joins the mix of prospects BB is developing at LB.
49: Kevin Ellison, SS, USC - He reads like a Rodney clone, limited in coverage, great run stopper in the box, field general; I think it's too early to take him, but heh, we're just mocking.
86: Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama - Saban trained, highly productive SEC defender.

if BB crosses, I doubt it will be for a WR........the pats have had so much more success in using FA's (and there's a ton of them at WR this year) than drafting them.......I like barwin, but if he's available, I want RB rashad jennings in round 2 (39) and hope for barwin at 49

 

[Jimke]

I wonder how much the new league will affect the draft?

Will the Patriots lose any of their draftees?

 

[VJCPatriot]

there is potential for a #3 in 2010 in return for someone signing cassel

Unless the Pats acquire a pick(s) for him in 2009 via trade that is.

 

[billdog3484]

you guys are crazy to even think there will be no draft. obviously thats not going to happen. i also dont know if we will be trading a 3rd rounder for a second rounder in 2010. i know we have done that several times, but its no guarantee

 

[billdog3484]

Unless the Pats acquire a pick(s) for him in 2009 via trade that is.

we could get a 2nd in 2009 and a 2nd in 2010, or a 3rd in '09 and a 2nd in '10. ya never know. itll depend on what the market is for a decent QB. i hope we can manage a first either this year or next, but who knows whats going to happen

 

[BritPat]

#18 - William Moore, SS, Missouri. Rodney retires, we're unsure what we have in Tank, and Sanders is a back up at best. Best value, and probably BPA as well after an expected run on OT's.

#39 - Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma. We have questionable depth at OG - drafting Loadholt allows Kazcur to move inside to his best position.

#49 - B.J Raji, DT, Boston College. I'd love Mount Cody in all honesty, but he's heading for the top 10, so it's not going to happen. Raji looks like Vince junior and will give us good depth at NT, and maybe a replacement if Vince is allowed to walk.

#86 - Jasper Brinkley, LB, South Carolina. I was thinking cornerback here, Joe Burnett in particular, but I love Brinkley, and it's hard to pass up round 1 talent here.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

#18 - William Moore, SS, Missouri. Rodney retires, we're unsure what we have in Tank, and Sanders is a back up at best. Best value, and probably BPA as well after an expected run on OT's.

#39 - Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma. We have questionable depth at OG - drafting Loadholt allows Kazcur to move inside to his best position.

#49 - B.J Raji, DT, Boston College. I'd love Mount Cody in all honesty, but he's heading for the top 10, so it's not going to happen. Raji looks like Vince junior and will give us good depth at NT, and maybe a replacement if Vince is allowed to walk.

#86 - Jasper Brinkley, LB, South Carolina. I was thinking cornerback here, Joe Burnett in particular, but I love Brinkley, and it's hard to pass up round 1 talent here.

I want Moore, but using the Scout.com ranking he was #8 and would have been out of reach.

Loadholt doesn't strike me as a Scarnecchia/Belichick O-line fit. The guys who have gotten the most play for Dante are all 6'4" 305 - Light/Neal/Hochstein, 310 - Mankins, 315 - Kaczur. Koppen is 6'3" 300. Yates 6'2" 305. O'Callaghan 6'7" 330 and Britt 6'8" 320 both go right back to the bench when Kaczur or Light are available. Levoir is 6'7", but he's "only" 306 and beat out Britt who usually beats out O'Callaghan for the #3 OT. At 6'8" 338, I just don't think Loadholt is quick enough to fit - he seems more of a Pittsburgh/Dallas roadgrader type.

I was leaning heavily toward Raji as the next best option to Cody, I just wanted Barwin more.

If Jaspar is still there in the 7th round, I'm interested. When I watched him before his knee injury he seemed slow to read and react. After his knee injury he didn't look any better. The Game**** I'd love to see in NE is Norwood - he could be another Tedy Bruschi at ILB.

Thanks for playing!