Brady getting old? - Not so fast .... 2008: The year of the ageless quarterback

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

There are some wack jobs in here saying maybe the team should be looking for youth down the road now that Tom Brady will be turning 32 soon

Have those who said that Brady is getting old and we ought to be looking at the future checked the 2008 NFL Season which is the year of the ageless quarterbacks where 5 of the 8 division leaders and another team just 1 game out of the division lead have a starting quarterback in his mid to late 30s?

Case in point of today's ageless starting quartebacks ....

Kerry Collins QB Tennessee Titans
Age 37- Current Team Record 10-0 - AFC South division leader

Jake Delhomme QB Carolina Panthers
Age 34 - Current Team Record 8-2 - NFC South division leader

Kurt Warner QB Arizona Cardinals
Age 37 - Current Team Record 7-3 - NFC West Division leader

Brett Favre QB NY Jets
Age 38 - Current Team Record 7-3 - AFC East Division leader

Jeff Garcia QB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Age 38 - Current Team Record 7-3 - 2nd place in NFC South division

Gus Frerotte QB Minnesota Vikings
Age 37 - Current Team Record 5-5 - Tied for 1st in NFC North Division


Next time you think Brady is going to be 32 next season and he is getting old and we need to start looking for a replacement, you just need to use these current stats as a reason to change your mind about his skills diminishing soon

Brady at 38 would be better than any of these guys - Even if that knee never gets fully back to 100%

 

[Pats726]

There are some wack jobs in here saying maybe the team should be looking for youth down the road now that Tom Brady will be turning 32 soon

Have those who said that Brady is getting old and we ought to be looking at the future checked the 2008 NFL Season which is the year of the ageless quarterbacks where 5 of the 8 division leaders and another team just 1 game out of the division lead have a starting quarterback in his mid to late 30s?

Case in point of today's ageless starting quartebacks ....

Kerry Collins QB Tennessee Titans
Age 37- Current Team Record 10-0 - AFC South division leader

Jake Delhomme QB Carolina Panthers
Age 34 - Current Team Record 8-2 - NFC South division leader

Kurt Warner QB Arizona Cardinals
Age 37 - Current Team Record 7-3 - NFC West Division leader

Brett Favre QB NY Jets
Age 38 - Current Team Record 7-3 - AFC East Division leader

Jeff Garcia QB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Age 38 - Current Team Record 7-3 - 2nd place in NFC South division

Gus Frerotte QB Minnesota Vikings
Age 37 - Current Team Record 5-5 - Tied for 1st in NFC North Division


Next time you think Brady is going to be 32 next season and he is getting old and we need to start looking for a replacement, you just need to use these current stats as a reason to change your mind about his skills diminishing soon

Brady at 38 would be better than any of these guys - Even if that knee never gets fully back to 100%

Take a look at the past and see if this wasn't true at other times in the NFL....

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Take a look at the past and see if this wasn't true at other times in the NFL....

I can't recall so many division leaders led by 35 or older QBs in one season before, but you can see that its really not a big deal with quarterbacks who have been good enough to hang around the league without losing much of their technique despite their age

We could very well see 2 QBs of ages 35 or older to meet in this years Super Bowl

 

[Lansdowne]

Other QB's who are far from done: Peyton Manning (33 next season), Donovan McNabb (32 next week), Chad Pennington (33 next season).

 

[NEPatriot]

TB is not old to play as a QB even though he is 32 years old. QB and LB are two different things. A good QB has to be smart and throw the ball well and i think that TB meets this requirement.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Other QB's who are far from done: Peyton Manning (33 next season), Donovan McNabb (32 next week), Chad Pennington (33 next season).

Apparently McNabb lost his brain somewhere in his early 30s since he can't remember a tie ever happening

Peyton Manning's surrounding cast of Wayne and Harrsion are aging quickly as will his performance in the next few years unless Polian continues his masterful selections in the draft and gets another steal at WR.

 

[aluminum seats]

The Cold, Hard Football Facts are this: quarterbacks with 10 or more years of experience rarely win Super Bowls. You are much more likely to have a winning QB with six or fewer years of experience than you are to see a winner with 10 or more years of experience.

Since Super Bowl V, 34 games have been played and 20 different quarterbacks have taken home the trophy as the starter. More than half of the winners had 6 or fewer years of experience. Here is the breakdown:

Won first Super Bowl as a rookie through 3rd year of NFL experience (20%):
Roger Staubach
Joe Montana
Kurt Warner
Tom Brady

4th through 6th year of NFL experience (35%):
Bob Griese
Terry Bradshaw
Jim McMahon
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Troy Aikman
Brett Favre

7th through 9th year of NFL experience (30%):
Ken Stabler
Joe Theismann
Phil Simms
Doug Williams
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson

10 years or more of NFL experience (15%):
Jim Plunkett
Steve Young
John Elway

 

[Lansdowne]

The Cold, Hard Football Facts are this: quarterbacks with 10 or more years of experience rarely win Super Bowls. You are much more likely to have a winning QB with six or fewer years of experience than you are to see a winner with 10 or more years of experience.

Since Super Bowl V, 34 games have been played and 20 different quarterbacks have taken home the trophy as the starter. More than half of the winners had 6 or fewer years of experience. Here is the breakdown:

Won first Super Bowl as a rookie through 3rd year of NFL experience (20%):
Roger Staubach
Joe Montana
Kurt Warner
Tom Brady

4th through 6th year of NFL experience (35%):
Bob Griese
Terry Bradshaw
Jim McMahon
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Troy Aikman
Brett Favre

7th through 9th year of NFL experience (30%):
Ken Stabler
Joe Theismann
Phil Simms
Doug Williams
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson

10 years or more of NFL experience (15%):
Jim Plunkett
Steve Young
John Elway

Must be outdated. The Mannings and Roethlisberger aren't listed.

 

[aluminum seats]

Must be outdated. The Mannings and Roethlisberger aren't listed.

Yup. Few years old.

 

[Rob0729]

Brady is a pocket passer who relies more on his brains and instincts than his physical skills (although he does throw an amazing deep ball pass). That usually translate into a long career in the NFL barring injuries. Guys who depend on more of their physical skills tend to erode earlier. Marino's play declined because he relied on his cannon of an arm and never really transitioned into more of West Coast or shorter passing type of QB. I think Donovan McNabb will start to decline in a year or two because he relies on his mobility a lot. Guys like Brady and Manning should last into their late 30s or possibly early 40s because they don't rely on their physical skills to carry them.

 

[Jared]

Look at Vinny T and how long he hung around.

 

[Alex24]

There are some wack jobs in here saying maybe the team should be looking for youth down the road now that Tom Brady will be turning 32 soon

Have those who said that Brady is getting old and we ought to be looking at the future checked the 2008 NFL Season which is the year of the ageless quarterbacks where 5 of the 8 division leaders and another team just 1 game out of the division lead have a starting quarterback in his mid to late 30s?

Case in point of today's ageless starting quartebacks ....

Kerry Collins QB Tennessee Titans
Age 37- Current Team Record 10-0 - AFC South division leader

Jake Delhomme QB Carolina Panthers
Age 34 - Current Team Record 8-2 - NFC South division leader

Kurt Warner QB Arizona Cardinals
Age 37 - Current Team Record 7-3 - NFC West Division leader

Brett Favre QB NY Jets
Age 38 - Current Team Record 7-3 - AFC East Division leader

Jeff Garcia QB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Age 38 - Current Team Record 7-3 - 2nd place in NFC South division

Gus Frerotte QB Minnesota Vikings
Age 37 - Current Team Record 5-5 - Tied for 1st in NFC North Division


Next time you think Brady is going to be 32 next season and he is getting old and we need to start looking for a replacement, you just need to use these current stats as a reason to change your mind about his skills diminishing soon

Brady at 38 would be better than any of these guys - Even if that knee never gets fully back to 100%

You don't know that

 

[xmarkd400x]

The Cold, Hard Football Facts are this: quarterbacks with 10 or more years of experience rarely win Super Bowls. You are much more likely to have a winning QB with six or fewer years of experience than you are to see a winner with 10 or more years of experience.

Since Super Bowl V, 34 games have been played and 20 different quarterbacks have taken home the trophy as the starter. More than half of the winners had 6 or fewer years of experience. Here is the breakdown:

Won first Super Bowl as a rookie through 3rd year of NFL experience (20%):
Roger Staubach
Joe Montana
Kurt Warner
Tom Brady

4th through 6th year of NFL experience (35%):
Bob Griese
Terry Bradshaw
Jim McMahon
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Troy Aikman
Brett Favre

7th through 9th year of NFL experience (30%):
Ken Stabler
Joe Theismann
Phil Simms
Doug Williams
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson

10 years or more of NFL experience (15%):
Jim Plunkett
Steve Young
John Elway

I'm pretty sure that, while the facts look certain, your facts have been cherry picked to get the effect you are looking for. I will list the reasons why I believe this to be the case.

1. The beginning of the data set provides some interesting issues. You start at SB V (Why not I-IV?). Also, by definition, wouldn't the first SB where QBs had 10 years of NFL (not football) SB X?

2. Your stat is only about when QBs win their FIRST SB. Brady has done that.

3. Your data seems to indicate this: of all QBs that have won SBs, most of them did it early/earlier in their career. I would tend to agree: QBs that are championship caliber win championships. They don't hang around for 8 years before getting good.

4. What you seem to be implying is that the Pats should let go of Brady because most QBs with 10+ years experience don't represent a lot of first time SB winners. Well, it wouldn't be Brady's first time, so your facts that you base your opinion on do not support your conclusion.

 

[aluminum seats]

I'm pretty sure that, while the facts look certain, your facts have been cherry picked to get the effect you are looking for. I will list the reasons why I believe this to be the case.

1. The beginning of the data set provides some interesting issues. You start at SB V (Why not I-IV?). Also, by definition, wouldn't the first SB where QBs had 10 years of NFL (not football) SB X?

2. Your stat is only about when QBs win their FIRST SB. Brady has done that.

3. Your data seems to indicate this: of all QBs that have won SBs, most of them did it early/earlier in their career. I would tend to agree: QBs that are championship caliber win championships. They don't hang around for 8 years before getting good.

4. What you seem to be implying is that the Pats should let go of Brady because most QBs with 10+ years experience don't represent a lot of first time SB winners. Well, it wouldn't be Brady's first time, so your facts that you base your opinion on do not support your conclusion.

I'm not implying anything--material is from cold hard football facts, seemed relevent to the conversation. Don't think it's only the first sb, by the way.