The Official Cassel vs Brady thread - Per Ian

[Lifer]

hmm, can you guess which stats are from 2001 and which ones are from
2008? And I hear player A had trouble with the long ball.

G Att Comp Pct Yds YPA YPG TD Int Rate
Player A 15 413 264 63.9 2,843 6.9 189.5 18 12 86.5

Player B 10 316 208 65.8 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 87.3


Point is....we neither have to annoint Matt Cassel a God or underestimate the job he has done this year to salvage a season, without the previous playing time others, including Brady, usually get.

Matt Cassel has had an amazing season and if the Patriots get to the playoffs hes the teams MVP.

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EDITED BY IAN: Again, this is the official comparing Cassel against Brady thread. We don't need 10 or more of them. This is the only thread to make these comparisons. If you start a new one, it will be deleted. If you try and start a similar thread that might not exactly be a comparison but more or less is, then you are clearly trying to insult everyone's intelligence in here and will be penalized. As mentioned we don't need the main forum cluttered with these. So please post any comparison, analysis, etc. in this thread.

 

[Nunchucks]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

comparing Cassel's first year starting to Brady's is an exercise in futility for a variety of super obvious reasons.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

comparing Cassel's first year starting to Brady's is an exercise in futility for a variety of super obvious reasons.

What movie is that from?

 

[fthft]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

Tom was in his 2nd year passing to nobodys, Cassel is in his, what 5th year? Passing to 2 of the best WRs in the league.

 

[Lifer]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

comparing Cassel's first year starting to Brady's is an exercise in futility for a variety of super obvious reasons.

You are right! Brady had a much better defense, special teams, and A.Smith provided a more consistant running game. Thanks!

but seriously, Brady obviously didnt have the receivers Cassels does and im not saying Matt Cassel is Tom Brady.

But lets give credit where credit is due, ok? If the Patriots D was what it was in 2001 this team could be 8-2. Brady was able to be the hero in many cases because the defense made it so that Brady could put up 17 points and win.

Remember Super Bowl 36? They offense only needed 1 offensive TD to win.

Tom Brady is a hall of famer and my favorite football player of all time. Matt Cassel is basically, so far, Steve Bono circa 1991, but my point is lets get behind this kid and give him the credit he deserves for having an out of nowhere season that so far stacks up to the performance of Brady's at the same point of the season. I still remember in 2001, after the less than steller 9-6 win at Buffalo, the famous clip of John Dennis calling Callahans answering machine "He suuuuuuuucks"

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

Tom was in his 2nd year passing to nobodys, Cassel is in his, what 5th year? Passing to 2 of the best WRs in the league.

This is Cassel's 4th year, but 1st having starter responsibilities.. Game experience DOES count for something you know.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

comparing Cassel's first year starting to Brady's is an exercise in futility for a variety of super obvious reasons.

Outside of RB, all advantages go to Cassel.

Defense, RB is the only thing I'd give Brady.

Cassel's done well, but lets be realistic. He has talent around him. It'd be an outrage if this team WASN'T winning because of Brady.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

This is Cassel's 4th year, but 1st having starter responsibilities.. Game experience DOES count for something you know.

Yup, but that's why Tom's season wasn't amazing, it was amazing for the team if anything. He just came in and led them to the top. Cassel would have his own story, it doesn't mean one is more impressive than the other.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

His stats should be better than Brady's, but it is still encouraging.

If you simply watch Cassel now as opposed to watching him in the first month, you'll notice as big as or bigger improvement than watching Brady towards the end of the 01 season compared to his first few starts. It's not something you can put in #'s but I think its pretty factual that Cassel has the ability to take us where Brady did in 2001. Question is will he get the same help from the Defense/ST and will his guys stop dropping easy catches in the clutch....

 

[Lifer]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

Outside of RB, all advantages go to Cassel.

Defense, RB is the only thing I'd give Brady.

Cassel's done well, but lets be realistic. He has talent around him. It'd be an outrage if this team WASN'T winning because of Brady.

yeah, no big deal, just the defense and RB

hello, if the defense is only giving up 14 or 17 points a game that makes a tad bit of difference to what the QB needs to do. You dont HAVE to score 31 points just to get to overtime.

if you have a consistant running game that kinda makes a difference to a QB too.

And you left out special teams. The special teams in 2001 were fantastic.
not as much in 2008.

People need to quit thinking this is the firsr half of 2007. The New England Patriots are not a GREAT team that is just missing Tom Brady. There are gaping holes to this team.

Again, Cassel is not Tom Brady. He is not Steve Young coming in after Montana. But this has been an amazing story. That takes nothing away from your Binky Brady. Brady is my favorite player of all time, doesnt mean i cant be objective.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

Yup, but that's why Tom's season wasn't amazing, it was amazing for the team if anything. He just came in and led them to the top. Cassel would have his own story, it doesn't mean one is more impressive than the other.

This is not a knock on Tom so much as the FO folks leaguewide--remember that #12 had won the Orange Bowl a few months before the draft, setting passing records in the process. Moreover, he was a proven leader (the stupidity involving Drew Hensen notwithstanding).* Cassel, of course, didn't even have that--and yet the Patriots had enough confidence in him to draft him before he could succumb to the siren calls of Carson Palmer or Norm Chow.

*One of my all-time favorite sports putdowns--Ray Ventrone, in 2006, on Drew Hensen: "He's no Matt Cassel."

 

[Lifer]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

His stats should be better, but it is still encouraging.

If you simply watch Cassel now as opposed to watching him in the first month, you'll notice as big as or bigger improvement than watching Brady towards the end of the 01 season compared to his first few starts. It's not something you can put in #'s but I think its pretty factual that Cassel has the ability to take us where Brady did in 2001. Question is will he get the same help from the Defense/ST and will his guys stop dropping easy catches in the clutch....

I dont think Cassel can, and guess what, Tom Brady couldnt either with this defense and special teams. Thats no knock on either QB. Brady didnt win the SB last year either. It takes more than a great QB, ask Dan Marino and John Elway,

this defense and ST are not reliable. They may be a 10-6 team with Cassel, they would be 12-4 at best with Brady. And with Brady they could not get past the Titans or Giants. No way, not with the holes on this team right now.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

I dont think Cassel can, and guess what, Tom Brady couldnt either with this defense and special teams. Thats no knock on either QB. Brady didnt win the SB last year either. It takes more than a great QB, ask Dan Marino and John Elway,

this defense and ST are not reliable. They may be a 10-6 team with Cassel, they would be 12-4 at best with Brady. And with Brady they could not get past the Titans or Giants. No way, not with the holes on this team right now.

Right now they're not reliable, but alot can change in the next couple months.

Can't agree with the part about Brady not being able to take this team the distance. 99% of the time you'd be completely right when it comes to our D/ST, but with Brady never say never. That's the tough part about replacing Brady. If you look at our 4 losses you can't pin any on Cassel, but you still feel with Brady's mere presense we'd probably have won 2 of those games.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

Right now they're not reliable, but alot can change in the next couple months.

Can't agree with the part about Brady not being able to take this team the distance. 99% of the time you'd be completely right when it comes to our D/ST, but with Brady never say never. That's the tough part about replacing Brady. If you look at our 4 losses you can't pin any on Cassel, but you still feel with Brady's mere presense we'd probably have won 2 of those games.

20/20 hindsight, yada, yada, yada, but I can think of an example--I bet you that if it had been Brady under center on 4th-and-goal in the Colts game, Belichick doesn't waste the TO and send Gostkowski to kick.

 

[Lifer]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

Right now they're not reliable, but alot can change in the next couple months.

Can't agree with the part about Brady not being able to take this team the distance. 99% of the time you'd be completely right when it comes to our D/ST, but with Brady never say never. That's the tough part about replacing Brady. If you look at our 4 losses you can't pin any on Cassel, but you still feel with Brady's mere presense we'd probably have won 2 of those games.

I keep coming back to 2007. Brady was there. They didnt win the Super Bowl because once again, when it mattered, the defense wasnt good enough.

Now, its 2008. Thomas is gone. Maroney is gone. the OL is beaten up. They would go deep into the AFC playoffs with Brady, but they just arent capable of beating the Giants or Titans.

In any case, Obviously i agree that there chances would be much better with Brady. But Brady doesnt tackle. In 2001,2003, and 2004 we won first with defense aided by great QB play. In 2006 and 2007 they fell short trying it the other way around.

 

[Garbanza]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

This is Cassel's 4th year, but 1st having starter responsibilities.. Game experience DOES count for something you know.

I did not realize that Brady was NOT in his first year as a starter in 2001 - right after the Bledsoe injury inflicted by Mo Lewis. I thought for sure that it was Brady's second year with the team actually - Gee, thanks for clearing that up. (insert eye-roll smilie)

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

Just gotta stop with this comparison crap

While Cassel has done an admirable job, he was put into a very talented and lucrative lineup and position,If Cassel was on a team with lesser talent and coaching he would have probably had a record close to the Lions right now.

Want to compare QBs?..O.K.

Cassel - Comes into the lineup as starting QB from a team just removed from an 18-1 season and 2 of the best WRs in the game.

Brady - Came in to the lineup as starting QB with virtually no name WRs and a team that was 5-11 the season before and showed NOTHING that previous year.


Now can we just STFU and stop the insanity????

 

[JSn]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

How does you englishes get?

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

The biggest difference between the two is Brady took over for Bledsoe after Bledsoe had is worst season of his career and having just lost two games.

Cassel took over after Brady had the best season of any QB in history.

So there was less demand on Brady, than there was on Cassel.

 

[Garbanza]

Re: Facts: How does Cassels first year stats stack up with Brady's

The biggest difference between the two is Brady took over for Bledsoe after Bledsoe had is worst season of his career and having just lost two games.

Cassel took over after Brady had the best season of any QB in history.

So there was less demand on Brady, than there was on Cassel.

THAT is the biggest difference? Really?

This is a great example as to why I do not spend much time here. Some of you people are insane!