How is your Draft Binky Doing?

[Wretch]

During the draft I read a lot of conversations on these forums about players that would be great for the Pats. There were a lot of binkies out there. Now is the time to come clean, how is your binky (that didn't get drafted by the Pats) doing?

Though I didn't comment much I liked Keith Rivers and he ended up in the IR for Cincinnati after a vicious block by Hines Ward broke his jaw.

 

[cstjohn17]

During the draft I read a lot of conversations on these forums about players that would be great for the Pats. There were a lot of binkies out there. Now is the time to come clean, how is your binky (that didn't get drafted by the Pats) doing?

Though I didn't comment much I liked Keith Rivers and he ended up in the IR for Cincinnati after a vicious block by Hines Ward broke his jaw.

Mendehall, out for year. Harvey, enough said...

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Mayo seems to be playing okay, as is Chris Long in STL.

 

[tjones7]

Quentin Groves- 8 tackles, 1 FF, 1.5 sacks
But he is playing out of position (DE) and is buried in the Jags D-line

 

[BRiZ]

DRC - started out as nickle to start the season, now he seems to be starting outside at corner. Doesnt have any INTs yet, has gotten burned for a few TDs as well but i think hes just getting his feet wet and is gunna be a very good corner in the league once he gets settled in.

Mayo - not spectacular but that wasnt who he was coming out of college. Hes a very good football player, not a superstar. His character, smarts, leadership, and high level play have been on display from week 1, impressive. I think he will win defensive rookie of the year.

Chris Johnson - might get offensive rookie of the year, hes really tearing it up for the Titan. Hes one fast dude.

Dexter Jackson - think he is just returning punts for Tampa Bay so far, i know he returned one for a TD. He should make a really good slot WR in the mold of Welker.

Kellen Davis - Burried on the depth chart for the Bears behind Desmond Clark and Greg Olsen.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

My "binkies" over the years have seem to been right

I wanted the Pats to draft:
Maurice Jones-Drew (JAX)
Chris Gocong (PHI)

Last year I wanted somhow for the Pats to pull off a deal for Chris Long, I would love to see how he would do standing up at OLB.

I should also get bonus points for predicting that Jamarcus Russel would be a Ryan Leafan "bust", I think that Leaf may have been better than Jamarcus

I did have Mike Dragonsavich as a binky last year, but he never even made it to training camp.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Quentin Groves- 8 tackles, 1 FF, 1.5 sacks
But he is playing out of position (DE) and is buried in the Jags D-line

Groves was mine as well. I still can't believe BB didn't jump up and snatch him in the 2nd round. Very frustrating.

The other guy I wanted real bad, until he ran a 4.6, was CB Lowrey out of San Jose State. Best ball skills I have seen in many years in college. And now he starts for the nasty Jets. Poetic justice is crual sometimes.

If the jets come out of the April 2009 draft with Mount Cody, I will be sick to my stomach.

 

[patsfanofNC12]

I was the big Chris Johnson supporter, started the draft him fan club and everything, and boy was I right. He has rushed on 160 carries for 723 yards with 5 td's while also catching 28 passes for 179 yards and a td with no fumbles on the season!

 

[captain stone]

RB Jamaal Charles (end of 2nd round) - now starting for KC due to injuries and doing fairly well, exc. for a fumble deep in KC territory vs. Tampa.

OLB Cliff Avril (mid 3rd) - misplaced as backup DE with Detroit.

DB Tyvon Branch (end of 3rd) - placed on IR by Oakland.

OG Roy Schuening (end of 4th) - backup with St Louis.

NT Ahtyba Rubin (end of 5th) - backup with Cleveland.

SS Josh Barrett (end of 6th) - on Denver's PS.

OL Mackenzy Bernadeau (end of 7th; the FO never should have traded up for Slater) - backup with Carolina.

Overall, I would say that my draft (I also would have taken Mayo) would have been more productive than the FO's draft, a disturbing trend that began in 2004.

 

[dryheat44]

Quentin Groves, Andre Caldwell, Felix Jones, Erin Henderson, Eddie Royal, Eric Young, Red Bryant, Quentin Demps, Brad Cottam, Owen Schmitt, Stanford Keglar, Cliff Avril, Jack Williams, Derrick Doggett, Kevin Robinson, Trevor Scott, Gary Guyton, Kroy Bierman, Jalen Parmele, Gary Barnidge, Hilee Taylor, Jeremy Leman, Cole Bennett, Adam Bishop, Ron Girault.

I suppose you take the good with the bad. My last mock draft was:

Groves
Cason
Jon Goff
Eric Young
Dexter Jackson
Jamar Adams
Parmele
Bishop
Taylor

 

[BradyManny]

RB Jamaal Charles (end of 2nd round) - now starting for KC due to injuries and doing fairly well, exc. for a fumble deep in KC territory vs. Tampa.

OLB Cliff Avril (mid 3rd) - misplaced as backup DE with Detroit.

DB Tyvon Branch (end of 3rd) - placed on IR by Oakland.

OG Roy Schuening (end of 4th) - backup with St Louis.

NT Ahtyba Rubin (end of 5th) - backup with Cleveland.

SS Josh Barrett (end of 6th) - on Denver's PS.

OL Mackenzy Bernadeau (end of 7th; the FO never should have traded up for Slater) - backup with Carolina.

Overall, I would say that my draft (I also would have taken Mayo) would have been more productive than the FO's draft, a disturbing trend that began in 2004.

How do you figure? I see a list of backups and guys on IR.

Beside, the notion itself - that a random person on the internet with access to 1/100th the information, resources, time & money the Patriots scouting department has could somehow come to better conclusions over a 4 years span than the Pats - is kind of crazytalk.

We all wish the Pats had done something differently from time to time, but to suggest that you by yourself would have done a better job creating this team the LAST 4 YEARS is about as silly as if I decided that since the government wasn't doing the job, that I could go hunt down Osama bin Laden and kill him myself. Let's let the professionals do their job and call our draftnikking what it is - an enjoyable, engrossing hobby.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

How do you figure? I see a list of backups and guys on IR.

Beside, the notion itself - that a random person on the internet with access to 1/100th the information, resources, time & money the Patriots scouting department has could somehow come to better conclusions over a 4 years span than the Pats - is kind of crazytalk.

And, equally importantly, you can't look at success with one team and automatically transfer it elsewhere. For all we know, Bernadeau might have utterly stunk up the joint in New England, or Charles might have gotten injured in his first game, while Branch might have become a starter by now.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Mine was Cliff Avril de/olb - Purdue. Not getting reg. time for the Lions.
Can it get any worse? And, still be in the NFL.

 

[Wretch]

Mine was Cliff Avril de/olb - Purdue. Not getting reg. time for the Lions.
Can it get any worse? And, still be in the NFL.

Not getting playing time in Oakland?

 

[jeffbiologist]

Pretty darn good. My binky was Wesley Woodyard, OLB Kentucky. He went undrafted and was signed as a UFA by Denver. He was a highlight package in preseason, made the team, and has already started a game when the WLB went down. He is the poster boy of why the draft is over rated....he is a tackling machine that doesnt "fit the mold" of a NFL player. This guy led the SEC(!!!)in tackling and went undrafted and now has so many chips on his shoulder he wont have to listen to any Shanahan speach to go play ball! System or no system, I want players like that on my team.

 

[dryheat44]

Pretty darn good. My binky was Wesley Woodyard, OLB Kentucky. He went undrafted and was signed as a UFA by Denver. He was a highlight package in preseason, made the team, and has already started a game when the WLB went down. He is the poster boy of why the draft is over rated....he is a tackling machine that doesnt "fit the mold" of a NFL player. This guy led the SEC(!!!)in tackling and went undrafted and now has so many chips on his shoulder he wont have to listen to any Shanahan speach to go play ball! System or no system, I want players like that on my team.

He wouldn't be playing linebacker here...but I wonder if he could've stepped up for Rodney at SS? He's a hitter, that's for sure.

 

[Jimke]

My draft binkie was Gary Guyton. Not doing too bad for a UDFA.

 

[jeffbiologist]

He wouldn't be playing linebacker here...but I wonder if he could've stepped up for Rodney at SS? He's a hitter, that's for sure.

I bet you would have said the same about Guyton too. Bruschi you would not think of as a ILB either as a rookie. WW is a tackling machine, and with the number of missed tackles on this team I would suggest not only that he could have made the team but that he would see the field too. Football players like him make "defensive geniuses", but you are right.....I think he could have made the transition to SS. Do you think Guyton(who is about the same size/speed)has that ability?

 

[dryheat44]

I bet you would have said the same about Guyton too. Bruschi you would not think of as a ILB either as a rookie. WW is a tackling machine, and with the number of missed tackles on this team I would suggest not only that he could have made the team but that he would see the field too. Football players like him make "defensive geniuses", but you are right.....I think he could have made the transition to SS. Do you think Guyton(who is about the same size/speed)has that ability?

No, I had Guyton as a LB. Isn't/Wasn't Woodyard 225 or so and Guyton 245-ish? I can't access my notes right now, but that's the way I remember it.

 

[jeffbiologist]

No, I had Guyton as a LB. Isn't/Wasn't Woodyard 225 or so and Guyton 245-ish? I can't access my notes right now, but that's the way I remember it.

I know they finished 1-2 in the combine for fastest LB. WW was listed at 219 at Kentucky and again at the senior bowl and 229 at the combine. My point was that LBs are a different breed....their DESIRE to play, to hit someone, is uncanny. If there is a position that a "square peg" can fit a "round hole" it is LB, think about all the recent LBs that were deemed "too small" ranging from Singletary to Z.Thomas, Bruschi and others. Fast, light LBs dont last too long I agree, Ian Gold was that type and he left the league relatively quickly. While its true they "fit" other systems better, once succesful in the league(given the chance)they are as resilient as any other player. Think of Flutie..... not many coaches would want to take a chance on the guy but eventually he became a very good NFL quarterback, not just a small scrambler. Its just alot tougher for some guys to get their shot.