Screwy Second Half Predictions

[Deus Irae]

Several of the dirty dozen are currently lying in the weeds posting less. Just wait until Cassel actually has his bad game of the season throwing 3 picks and we lose. Expect LOTS of sudden posts. I blame the fantasy Football mentality.

I'm optimistic about Sunday and the season, though concerned about our lack of health at RB and DB.

Absolutely. You can look to Maroney as an example of this. They complained about him all last season, until he shut them up at the end of the year. Then, when he was hurt and started slow this year, then went to IR, they jumped right back into it. Meanwhile, throughout the league, running backs are dropping like flies, but that gets ignored.

Of course, it's the same mentality that blames McDaniels for losing a game where Gaffney holding onto a football means the Patriots win, or blames Cassel for games where Moss doesn't come up with catchable passes. There's a name for these people, but I'd be banned if I used it.

 

[mgteich]

Obviously, I don't agree with the forecast, but I don't think that the forecast is "screwy". Obviously, many posters here think we are by far the best in our division and 2nd best the conference. It is not "screwy" for others to disagree.

The article predicts that the Bills will end 8-8, after going 3-5. Is that screwy? Fans of the Bills would probably say so.

The article predicts that the patriots with a weaker schedule will go 4-4 and the jets will go 5-3. That's wrong, but not crazy.

The writer likes Miami at this point to go 6-2. Perhaps that's nuts, and perhaps they are for real. They have had some solid games.

 

[Rob0729]

Obviously, I don't agree with the forecast, but I don't think that the forecast is "screwy". Obviously, many posters here think we are by far the best in our division and 2nd best the conference. It is not "screwy" for others to disagree.

The article predicts that the Bills will end 8-8, after going 3-5. Is that screwy? Fans of the Bills would probably say so.

The article predicts that the patriots with a weaker schedule will go 4-4 and the jets will go 5-3. That's wrong, but not crazy.

The writer likes Miami at this point to go 6-2. Perhaps that's nuts, and perhaps they are for real. They have had some solid games.

It is screwy that the guy predicts that the Pats will be 7-3 next Friday and go 2-4 the rest of the way including a loss to a bad Seattle team. Where they have the Jets going 6-5 over the week after and then going 4-1 the rest of the way. That seems very screwy to me.

Maybe if they didn't have he didn't have the Pats winning the next two and the Jets losing the next two, it would make more sense. Maybe if the Jets have shown any consistency to have four wins in a row as Robinson suggests. It's not that he thinks the Pats will go 4-4 and the Jets will go 5-3 that is screwy it is his logic behind it that is.

 

[patsgo]

There's a pretty consistent group of people making the complaints week after week. It doesn't change much when the team is winning, either, because they find individual issues to complain about. Even when they are proven wrong, they just lie in the weeds and bring up the same disproved arguments time and again.

cassell is mr. field goal, after his first read its over, his stats are very misleading because they are all dinks and dunks, this will not win games if they fall behind, case in point miami, and san diego

 

[Deus Irae]

cassell is mr. field goal, after his first read its over, his stats are very misleading because they are all dinks and dunks, this will not win games if they fall behind, case in point miami, and san diego

The Patriots were behind against both San Francisco and St. Louis, and came back to win those games. Any other fallacies you'd like to put forth?

 

[JMarr]

This is a qood omen. I'd like to see more articles like it. Being underestimated always seems to work out pretty well for the Pats.

 

[Rob0729]

cassell is mr. field goal, after his first read its over, his stats are very misleading because they are all dinks and dunks, this will not win games if they fall behind, case in point miami, and san diego

Miami was his second start of his career. If you looked at Brady after his second start of his career, you would say the guy would never be anything more than a mediocre NFL QB if that.

Anyone who thinks that Cassel is the same QB today that he was back in September, hasn't been watching many games. And he is no longer just a first read guy. He did a very good job going through his progressions and it is the reason why people are complaining he didn't throw deep to Moss. Because there were times it was clear that the play called for going deep and Cassel instead of trying to huck it down field into coverage dumped off the ball and occassionally ran with it.

Weak argument. Why not use one of the preseason games for an argument too?

 

[Deus Irae]

....Weak argument. Why not use one of the preseason games for an argument too?

That's Briz's job.....

 

[patsgo]

Miami was his second start of his career. If you looked at Brady after his second start of his career, you would say the guy would never be anything more than a mediocre NFL QB if that.

Anyone who thinks that Cassel is the same QB today that he was back in September, hasn't been watching many games. And he is no longer just a first read guy. He did a very good job going through his progressions and it is the reason why people are complaining he didn't throw deep to Moss. Because there were times it was clear that the play called for going deep and Cassel instead of trying to huck it down field into coverage dumped off the ball and occassionally ran with it.

Weak argument. Why not use one of the preseason games for an argument too?

there is a reason hes never started a game in college, hes shaky, cant feel the pressure, and cant throw the ball downfield accurately, his worst side has yet to come

 

[Deus Irae]

there is a reason hes never started a game in college, hes shaky, cant feel the pressure, and cant throw the ball downfield accurately, his worst side has yet to come

Hmmmm..... he clearly felt the pressure last week, and throw a very accurate downfield pass to Gaffney last week. As for shaky, well, that's not exactly a specific term, so there's no real sense discussing it.

Any other fallacies? That's three for you so far.

P.S. There's also a reason that he's succeeding in the NFL despite never starting a game in college. Unfortunately, that side of the equation interferes with your agenda, so you ignore it.

 

[Rob0729]

there is a reason hes never started a game in college, hes shaky, cant feel the pressure, and cant throw the ball downfield accurately, his worst side has yet to come

There is a reason he never started in college. Cassel had 2 years of eligibility left when Palmer went to the NFL and Leinhart had 3 years of elibility left. Pete Carroll decided to invest his team in the guy who would give him an extra year as a starter. If he went with Cassel and Cassel stayed through his senior year, Leinhart would have had only one year left of eligibility to start. And of course years of elibility has everything to do with talent.

Please think before you write.

 

[patsgo]

There is a reason he never started in college. Cassel had 2 years of eligibility left when Palmer went to the NFL and Leinhart had 3 years of elibility left. Pete Carroll decided to invest his team in the guy who would give him an extra year as a starter. If he went with Cassel and Cassel stayed through his senior year, Leinhart would have had only one year left of eligibility to start. And of course years of elibility has everything to do with talent.

Please think before you write.

leinhart doesnt even start for the cardinals what does that tell you

 

[Rob0729]

leinhart doesnt even start for the cardinals what does that tell you

It doesn't tell me anything. Being a great college QB doesn't mean you will be a great NFL QB or the other way around. Brady wasn't a great college QB, but one of the greatest of all time in the NFL. How many great QBs in Spurrier's system in college didn't make in in the NFL. Besides, Kurt Warner is a dark horse in the MVP candidate race. That is why Leinhart isn't starting.

Way to deflect the whole argument. The fact of the matter is Pete Carroll is on record saying the reason he chose Leinhart over Cassel had little to do with talent, but practicality of how long he would have each QB. Now you want to make it about how Leinhart isn't starting right now which is irrelevant to the issue.

 

[patsgo]

It doesn't tell me anything. Being a great college QB doesn't mean you will be a great NFL QB or the other way around. Brady wasn't a great college QB, but one of the greatest of all time in the NFL. How many great QBs in Spurrier's system in college didn't make in in the NFL. Besides, Kurt Warner is a dark horse in the MVP candidate race. That is why Leinhart isn't starting.

Way to deflect the whole argument. The fact of the matter is Pete Carroll is on record saying the reason he chose Leinhart over Cassel had little to do with talent, but practicality of how long he would have each QB. Now you want to make it about how Leinhart isn't starting right now which is irrelevant to the issue.

if he was so good and has so much talent why did he last until the 7 th round, why has he sucked in every pre season game he has played, why did he throw so many interceptions in training camp, why doesnt moss have confidence in him, gaffney was so surprised the hail mary actually got to him he dropped it

 

[Rob0729]

if he was so good and has so much talent why did he last until the 7 th round, why has he sucked in every pre season game he has played, why did he throw so many interceptions in training camp, why doesnt moss have confidence in him, gaffney was so surprised the hail mary actually got to him he dropped it

LOL! So Brady sucks because he was drafted in the sixth round or he lost his starting job to Drew Henson who couldn't even make it in the NFL as a back up?

Wow! At least Deus was right, you wouldn't use Cassel's performace in the preseason as an example (actually you did, nevermind). You went straight to training camp. Good for you. When you are drowning, you want to just go to the ridiculous right away.

So you blame Cassel for Gaffney dropping a game winning TD that was right in his hands. maverick blames McDaniels for it. Does anyone actually want to blame Gaffney for it? I mean he was the one who actually dropped the ball that was right in his hands.

 

[Deus Irae]

leinhart doesnt even start for the cardinals what does that tell you

It tells us that Kurt Warner, a two-time MVP of the league, is a better quarterback for that team right now. Tom Brady didn't start for the Patriots from day 1. What did that tell us?

 

[Rob0729]

That's Briz's job.....

Sorry Deus, you gave Patsgo too much credit.

 

[patsgo]

Sorry Deus, you gave Patsgo too much credit.

i just really get a kick out of all you guys, if you believe my posts than i guess you believe in santa to

 

[Rob0729]

i just really get a kick out of all you guys, if you believe my posts than i guess you believe in santa to

Well, if you are joking, it is hard to tell. There are too many people on the boards these days making real arguments like you are making. Just read any thread about McDaniels and you will see him getting blamed for everything from causing the flood with Noah to the fall of Rome.

 

[BPF]

there is a reason hes never started a game in college, hes shaky, cant feel the pressure, and cant throw the ball downfield accurately, his worst side has yet to come

Who cares what he did in college. Brady is a top 3-5 QB all time in the NFL and he didn't start till his senior season at Michigan, in his freshmen year (1995) he actually began the season as the seventh quarterback on the Wolverines depth chart. I'm not saying Cassel should be fitted for the NFL Hall of Fame or anything but he had some top notch recruiting talent to contend with at USC like Palmer and Leinart, if he pulled a Flacco and transferred to a lower tier competition school like Delaware from a Pittsburgh type program he would have started more games in college and would have been drafted a heck of a lot higher and maybe guys or gals like you would consider him worthy of a little praise once in a while. Cassel seems to be maturing before our eyes and doing it quite well, will there be some bumps along the road - yes but there has been definite improvement and there will continue to be more improvement. I see him getting better not worse because he learns from his mistakes and doesn't repeat them.