The loss is on McDaniels and the coaches

[Rob0729]

Hey Robo, give me a break.You dont keep making that call.Cassel was getting into a nice rhythm throwing the football and they run that crap.That shows me that these coaches still dont believe in Cassel including BB.

No it doesn't. It shows that McDaniels saw a flaw in the Colts' defense and continued to exploit it all game. The Pats offense outplayed the Colts defense. Stop blaming McDaniels and Cassel. The Pats offense only stalled when the Pats were too close to the end zone for Cassel to throw it down the field other than the Thomas penalty.

 

[dtbrks]

The offense, without Brady, Maroney, Morris and Jordan was able to move the ball up and down the field against the Colts, and was able to absolutely dominate the time of possession. The Patriots had the ball for more than 34 minutes. As a result, Manning and company had only 7 possessions all game.

agreed.. Just a few plays go the pats way instead of against and they win..

Here is the flip side, the more conservative you play and the less "possessions" your offense gets, each play becomes more critical. If your offenses has the ball 4 times per half, you better do something with it

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

The offense, without Brady, Maroney, Morris and Jordan was able to move the ball up and down the field against the Colts, and was able to absolutely dominate the time of possession. The Patriots had the ball for more than 34 minutes. As a result, Manning and company had only 7 possessions all game.

You people complaining about McDaniels are being silly.

Moving up and down the field is all well and good come stat time but ultimately the goal is to score points.

Tonight the Pats offense played like they were content to run the play clock down but not score points while doing so.

It backfired on them miserably and cost them a game they had no business losing.

 

[Deus Irae]

Moving up and down the field is all well and good come stat time but ultimately the goal is to score points.

Tonight the Pats offense played like they were content to run the play clock down but not score points while doing so.

It backfired on them miserably and cost them a game they had no business losing.

What the hell are you talking about? They lost by 3. If Gaffney doesn't drop a sure TD, that's a 1 point lead. If Thomas doesn't commit a stupid foul, the team is in field goal range and either gets the tie or the win. This team was not in position to get into a shootout with Peyton Manning. Use your head.

 

[CheerforTom]

What the hell are you talking about? They lost by 3. If Gaffney doesn't drop a sure TD, that's a 1 point lead. If Thomas doesn't commit a stupid foul, the team is in field goal range and either gets the tie or the win. This team was not in position to get into a shootout with Peyton Manning. Use your head.

I'm with Deus on this one. The coaches made mistakes but were able to both stop the Colts and effectively move the ball. It's easy to second guess decisions once you know the outcome of the game.

This loss came from a few isolated incidents and overall sloppy play by the whole team.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

What the hell are you talking about? They lost by 3. If Gaffney doesn't drop a sure TD, that's a 1 point lead. If Thomas doesn't commit a stupid foul, the team is in field goal range and either gets the tie or the win. This team was not in position to get into a shootout with Peyton Manning. Use your head.

And if the Pats offense had not played chicken **** all night long then those two play matter little as they blow out this Colts team.

 

[Deus Irae]

And if the Pats offense had not played chicken **** all night long then those two play matter little as they blow out this Colts team.

Did you actually watch the game? Did you see the Patriots lose yet another member of the secondary? Did you notice what Madden was talking about when he repeatedly noted that the Patriots were running the draws because the Colts were keeping BOTH of their safeties deep?

Seriously, you people need to get a grip on reality.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Did you actually watch the game? Did you see the Patriots lose yet another member of the secondary? Did you notice what Madden was talking about when he repeatedly noted that the Patriots were running the draws because the Colts were keeping BOTH of their safeties deep?

Seriously, you people need to get a grip on reality.

I also heard (and agreed with Madden) when he said sometimes you have to dictate to the other team instead of being dictated too. We had one of the games best ever WR's going up against a street FA corner for much of the night and McDaniels couldn't take advantage of it. Shame on him!

 

[Deus Irae]

I also heard (and agreed with Madden) when he said sometimes you have to dictate to the other team instead of being dictated too. We had one of the games best ever WR's going up against a street FA corner for much of the night and McDaniels couldn't take advantage of it. Shame on him!

Ok, so you just don't understand the simple football reality that was at play in this game. Let me try to help.

1.) Tom Brady is on IR

2.) Rodney Harrison is on IR

3.) Laurence Maroney is on IR

4.) The Patriots are playing Wheatley, Wilhite, Richardson and Meriweather

5.) #4 means that the secondary is littered with rookies and 2nd year players

6.) Peyton Manning was the opposing quarterback.

7.) The game plan limited Manning to 7 possessions.

I hope that helps.

 

[Rob0729]

And if the Pats offense had not played chicken **** all night long then those two play matter little as they blow out this Colts team.

The Pats offense played like Charlie Weis' offense circa 2001. Were people calling it chicken shot back then? The Pats played ball control offense. I hope they play like this every week they play a team that is capable of turning the the game into a shoot out.

Funny, every year everyone says you gotta keep the ball out of Manning's hands. They do it tonight and people complain that the Pats played too conservative or scared. McDaniels can't win with people on this board. No matter what he does, people will blame him for something.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Ok, so you just don't understand the simple football reality that was at play in this game. Let me try to help.

1.) Tom Brady is on IR

2.) Rodney Harrison is on IR

3.) Laurence Maroney is on IR

4.) The Patriots are playing Wheatley, Wilhite, Richardson and Meriweather

5.) #4 means that the secondary is littered with rookies and 2nd year players

6.) Peyton Manning was the opposing quarterback.

7.) The game plan limited Manning to 7 possessions.

I hope that helps.

I don't excuse injuries for it is what it is.

Tonight the Pats offense scored all of just 15 on a Colts defense that was full of holes. That's not good enough.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't excuse injuries for it is what it is.

Tonight the Pats offense scored all of just 15 on a Colts defense that was full of holes. That's not good enough.

You should learn the game. It would help with your enjoyment.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I don't excuse injuries for it is what it is.

Tonight the Pats offense scored all of just 15 on a Colts defense that was full of holes. That's not good enough.

Well they'd have had 19 if Bill hadn't called that TO... And 23 if Gaffney had caught that pass.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

You should learn the game. It would help with your enjoyment.

I enjoy the game very well when this team scores more than 15 points in a game. It's when they don't that I don't enjoy it because most of the times it means they lost.

Do you feel that only scoring 15 points is good enough to win you a game?

I think only 4 teams scored less in action today.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Well they'd have had 19 if Bill hadn't called that TO... And 23 if Gaffney had caught that pass.

So long as you're working on if's ............. if McDaniels didn't forget that a street FA was covering Moss tonight the Pats might have scored 30 points, by halftime.

 

[Deus Irae]

I enjoy the game very well when this team scores more than 15 points in a game. It's when they don't that I don't enjoy it because most of the times it means they lost.

Do you feel that only scoring 15 points is good enough to win you a game?

I think only 4 teams scored less in action today.

Settling for 3 instead of 7 because Gaffney dropped a sure touchdown is NOT game plan, just for one easy example. You really should learn the game. Right now, my dog knows more about the game than you seem to.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

So long as you're working on if's ............. if McDaniels didn't forget that a street FA was covering Moss tonight the Pats might have scored 30 points, by halftime.

Sorry but Mo's If's are a little more factual

 

[Rob0729]

So long as you're working on if's ............. if McDaniels didn't forget that a street FA was covering Moss tonight the Pats might have scored 30 points, by halftime.

Did you see that they consistently kept the safeties deep to help that street FA CB to cover Moss. The Colts played their defense to stop Moss from making the big play. The Pats took advantage of it. That is what a good OC does.

 

[JerseyPatriot76]

BB outcoached himself. It's been a long time that you could say as a Pat fan that BB dropped the ball. Not having any timeouts with 11 mins to go was just playing with fire. The challenge was a total waste. Cassel managed the game as good as you can ask. McDaniels called a good game, he could have taken a shot deep to Moss, but I was satisfied with the offense. Long drives and neutralizing the Colts pass rush (did freeney play, hardly heard his name?) made this a tight game.

I was ok with the 2 point conversion, with the way the secondary was playing I am sure he was thinking, hey if they drive it down the field again, the worst that can happen is that we are tied. In the end the Gaffney drop and the Thomas penalty were the daggers. Those were mistakes we could afford to make last year, but this year points are at a premium.

This was a bonus game that we could have stolen, but we are tied for first and now it is time to focus on the Bills and the Jets.

 

[rodrust]

LIke I said in my rant post.. Colts had 3 starting CB's.. WHy couldn't they go deep on them.. One of the starters was on the street 5 days ago..

Madden said something that was half right.. Moss took Sanders out of the game.. I disagree, Sanders took away MOss.. And the best way to get that match up on our side is to move MOss in the slot and motion him right down the middle.. MY GOD. Horrible offensive game plan.. Just PISS POOR..

MAYBE they can't go deep with any consistency or reliability. Sure we have seen Cassell DO it, but not often. Flame away but I think the deep ball IS the problem in the coaches knowing it's not in the arsenal. Makes Josh's job a tad tougher. Bottom line they don't trust the deep ball period.