Spygate Information Analyzed

[NFL_Truth]

Here is a great link to a website that has done an outstanding job of covering anf analyzing the events of spygate. It even allows Pats supporters to tell their side and this should make an interesting read to anyone interested in the history of the Patriots.

Belichick Spygate Scandal: The Untold Story

 

[ICSB]

Someone is obsessed!!! I hate the Pats but come on man.

 

[JaxPats]

Here is a great link to a website that has done an outstanding job of covering anf analyzing the events of spygate. It even allows Pats supporters to tell their side and this should make an interesting read to anyone interested in the history of the Patriots.

Belichick Spygate Scandal: The Untold Story

Mods, Its obvious this individual has a morbid fixation on this subject. He has continulessly stroked this BS non-stop all day yesterday and at 2:20 AM in the morning! If that in itself isn't a phobia, I don't know what is. Please ban this parisite. :banned: Thanks

Ps. Anyone else who thinks this, play add your comments.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Mods, Its obvious this individual has a morbid fixation on this subject. He has continulessly stroked this BS non-stop all day yesterday and at 2:20 AM in the morning! If that in itself isn't a phobia, I don't know what is. Please ban this parisite. :banned: Thanks

Ps. Anyone else who thinks this, play add your comments.

I actually disagree. He's clearly has a weird fixation with spygate, but he hasn't been going around insulting people, and he's kept his posts to the visiting locker room (where this stuff is supposed to go). Banning him seems stupid, and would only confirm his opinion of Patriots fans. I still don't understand his crusade, since he's clearly not going to convince anyone, but I have no issue with letting him continue to spin his tires.

 

[Jetssuck]

If "NFL Truth" can actually handle the truth here's the real but not unfair advantage the Patriots got from videotapping

ESPN - Spygate tapes simply streamlined the scouting process - NFL

 

[NFL_Truth]

If "NFL Truth" can actually handle the truth here's the real but not unfair advantage the Patriots got from videotapping

ESPN - Spygate tapes simply streamlined the scouting process - NFL

Nice article but that does not make the author any more qualified to comment on the value of something NE fought so hard to do. That article is no more qualified then the link I sent you.

Hope you guys took time and enjoyed reading it.

 

[NFL_Truth]

I actually disagree. He's clearly has a weird fixation with spygate, but he hasn't been going around insulting people, and he's kept his posts to the visiting locker room (where this stuff is supposed to go). Banning him seems stupid, and would only confirm his opinion of Patriots fans. I still don't understand his crusade, since he's clearly not going to convince anyone, but I have no issue with letting him continue to spin his tires.

Thank you for the partial stick-up. But im not here to convince any pats fans that my views are correct. I know this would be a very unlikely thing to happen without question. I'm only looking to share my views, hear pats fans thoughts directly instead of assuming, etc. I know i've posted alot of Spygate things but that is only to make people more away. I'm layout out the facts, people can "interpret" (no pun intended) them anyway they chose.

 

[Double G]

"I actually disagree. He's clearly has a weird fixation with spygate, but he hasn't been going around insulting people, and he's kept his posts to the visiting locker room (where this stuff is supposed to go). Banning him seems stupid, and would only confirm his opinion of Patriots fans. I still don't understand his crusade, since he's clearly not going to convince anyone, but I have no issue with letting him continue to spin his tires."

I agree 100%.

My theory is he can't afford professional help or the meds that go along with it, so this is his only "therapy" at this point.

He is 100% convinced he is on the side of truth, justice and the American way and is an extreme Patriots hater, there is not a thing any of us can say to convince him he is wrong about this, so let him babble on and on and on regarding this if it helps him sleep better at night.

Getting out of his system to use a technical term.

There is another technical term for someone like him; oh, yeah, he's got a screw loose.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Thank you for the partial stick-up. But im not here to convince any pats fans that my views are correct. I know this would be a very unlikely thing to happen without question. I'm only looking to share my views, hear pats fans thoughts directly instead of assuming, etc. I know i've posted alot of Spygate things but that is only to make people more away. I'm layout out the facts, people can "interpret" (no pun intended) them anyway they chose.

This is only partially true. I can't and won't refute everything you've stated. However, you have offered up as a fact that the Patriots 3 Super Bowl wins are a direct consequence of their misconduct. This is by it's very definition your personal opinion, and not a fact. First of all, it pre-supposes some tangible advantage (in terms of points) that results from the filming. While this may or may not be true (and I'm inclined to offer limited support to your thesis that there is, or else what's the point of doing it) it's still essentially unprovable, therefore not a fact. So anything based on this assumption, including that the Patriots would not have won their Super Bowls without cheating is fundamentally your opinion, and not fact.

 

[NFL_Truth]

This is only partially true. I can't and won't refute everything you've stated. However, you have offered up as a fact that the Patriots 3 Super Bowl wins are a direct consequence of their misconduct. This is by it's very definition your personal opinion, and not a fact. First of all, it pre-supposes some tangible advantage (in terms of points) that results from the filming. While this may or may not be true (and I'm inclined to offer limited support to your thesis that there is, or else what's the point of doing it) it's still essentially unprovable, therefore not a fact. So anything based on this assumption, including that the Patriots would not have won their Super Bowls without cheating is fundamentally your opinion, and not fact.

Wow, you'll probably only hear this once, but that was the best defense I've ever heard. Even though im certain we disagree Watson, you are certainly an educated fan and I respect that. A great deal of what you said is certainly true. I think where we disagree is in the value and advantage the tapes had. I think its more, I'm assuming you think its less, but thats the best argument I've heard yet.

Personally, I feel Belichick is a football genius. I don't like him but i have to give the devil his due. And i just dont see a man of his intelligence set up this camera scenario, which he would have been smart enough to see that it could bring fourth great consequence, without it having a major benifit factor. Belichick is a smart man who would weigh risk vs. reward. If they would have won all 3 SB's without it, he wouldn't bother. He wouldnt waste time to do something that he wouldn't need to win.

But regardless of our different opinions, your analyzation of the situation proves that if nothing else you know what your talking about. People can analyze these comments however they chose but I do respect your method of observation.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Wow, you'll probably only hear this once, but that was the best defense I've ever heard. Even though im certain we disagree Watson, you are certainly an educated fan and I respect that. A great deal of what you said is certainly true. I think where we disagree is in the value and advantage the tapes had. I think its more, I'm assuming you think its less, but thats the best argument I've heard yet.

Personally, I feel Belichick is a football genius. I don't like him but i have to give the devil his due. And i just dont see a man of his intelligence set up this camera scenario, which he would have been smart enough to see that it could bring fourth great consequence, without it having a major benifit factor. Belichick is a smart man who would weigh risk vs. reward. If they would have won all 3 SB's without it, he wouldn't bother. He wouldnt waste time to do something that he wouldn't need to win.

But regardless of our different opinions, your analyzation of the situation proves that if nothing else you know what your talking about. People can analyze these comments however they chose but I do respect your method of observation.

See my post in the other thread, I responded directly to the questions you raised.

 

[NFL_Truth]

See my post in the other thread, I responded directly to the questions you raised.

I just wrote back to it.

 

[Jetssuck]

Nice article but that does not make the author any more qualified to comment on the value of something NE fought so hard to do. That article is no more qualified then the link I sent you.

Hope you guys took time and enjoyed reading it.

What qualifications are you looking for in an author?

I like to know what your qualifications are beyond being an angry ignoramus?

You don't know that a 2006 memo has no bearing on what happened before 2006. Yet, your a self-proclaimed knowledgable football guy.

 

[NFL_Truth]

What qualifications are you looking for in an author?

I like to know what your qualifications are beyond being an angry ignoramus?

You don't know that a 2006 memo has no bearing on what happened before 2006. Yet, your a self-proclaimed knowledgable football guy.

Its not the memo that has bearing on what happened before 2006, its the breaking of the rules from 2000-2007 that has the effect. The memo was just an example of how the Pats ignored the rules even when reminded.

 

[Jetssuck]

Its not the memo that has bearing on what happened before 2006, its the breaking of the rules from 2000-2007 that has the effect. The memo was just an example of how the Pats ignored the rules even when reminded.

Funny how you like to never answer one question ever asked of you. If they were breaking the rules their would be no need of a memo. Just order an investigation at the first accusation.

 

[NFL_Truth]

Funny how you like to never answer one question ever asked of you. If they were breaking the rules their would be no need of a memo. Just order an investigation at the first accusation.

Do you deny the fact that Belichick admitted to goodell that his videotaping policy had been in place since he became the head coach?

 

[Jetssuck]

Do you deny the fact that Belichick admitted to goodell that his videotaping policy had been in place since he became the head coach?

No I don't deny. But what is the relevance of that fact? The memo was issued in 2006 for the purpose to give warning to all 32 teams that filming such and such was no longer going to be tolerated. No longer tolerated = no longer allowed = allowed before 2006.

 

[NFL_Truth]

No I don't deny. But what is the relevance of that fact? The memo was issued in 2006 for the purpose to give warning to all 32 teams that filming such and such was no longer going to be tolerated. No longer tolerated = no longer allowed = allowed before 2006.

Where does this say tolerated?

2006 NFL Memo:

"videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Sounds like prohibited, not tolerated.

 

[LeonPowe]

Agreed. If the rule was clear, then they would have been punished right away, no memo would be needed.

 

[Jetssuck]

Where does this say tolerated?

2006 NFL Memo:

"videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Sounds like prohibited, not tolerated.

Agreed prohibitted beginning in 2006.

Filming not going to be tolerated anymore is why the memo was issued.