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Post of the day, without a doubt.

Stupid post. What exactly does he disagree with in my post, or do you?

Just namecalling/trolling is all you're good for apparently.

Vrabel is old and feeble, he is near useless. Do you dare even TRY to REFUTE that? I think not.
 
I agree, Vrabes as I have said before is on the Back 9. It's time to give Pierre Woods some of his game reps and think about saving that CAP hit next year. I agree.

Woods has been getting reps.. Watch the games.
 
Vrabel is old and feeble. What's he signed through? Next year?

His salary is probably so low, it won't make sense to cut him.

Definitely need some new blood. Maybe BB's seeing Mayo and Guyton playing well has gotten him over his reluctance to draft a LB. That and the ABYSMAL record of drafting RBs and WRs. Those positions should be off the board; Belichick and Pioli are INCAPABLE of drafting there...they draft losers.

Draft where you have proven you have SOME ability, ie LB/OL/CB. I'll give them a pass on drafting Sanders b/c he was like a 5th round pick. So although he sucks, it doesn't indicate that they can't draft safeties.

The Pats have Woods and drafted Crable. Just because Crable hasn't been active doesn't mean he doesn't have ability. He was a DE in college and is learning the Pats OLB scheme. Give him time.

Sanders hardly sucks. Is he as good at reading plays as Harrison? Nope. But he's not abyssmal either.

I think you need to check your facts about what BB and Pioli have drafted for RBs and WRs. You sound ignorant otherwise. RB - Antwoin Womack (7th round pick), Cedric Cobbs (4th round pick), Laurence Maroney (1st round pick) WR - Deion Branch (2nd round pick), David Givens (7th round pick), Bethel Johnson (2nd round pick), P.K. Sam (5th round pick), Chad Jackson (2nd round pick).

Womack was coming off an injury and, as a 7th rounder and was destined for the IR. The Pats hoped he would be able to come back and be decent, but it was an easy gamble to make.'

Sam was the youngest kid drafted that year. He was very immature and shouldn't have entered the draft when he did. He could have used another year of seasoning in college, but there were rumors floating around that said that staying in college wasn't an option. He was another long shot pick.

Bethel Johnson was just a bad pick. The Pats reached for him and shouldn't have. They could have had Anquan Boldin, but for whatever reason, the Patriots didn't. Johnson had numerous injuries after he got here.

Jackson had the leg (hamstring?) injury that he rushed back from and got injured again in the process. When he came back, he went about earning his stripes on special teams coverage. It was then that he tore his ACL in the AFCCG against the Colts. People forget that its a 9-12 month recovery and 18 months before a person is fully healthy. That pretty much ruled out any return during his sophmore season that would have been productive. So, in his 2nd training camp, this year, he got beat out for the 3rd WR spot by Gaffney (who was going into his 3rd year in the system), the 4th spot by Washington (who turned into a special teams ace), and Aiken (who was brought in because he was a special teams ace). Jackson was behind the 8ball and the Pats were pretty much out of options. They couldn't afford to carry 6 WRs like they did last year and Jackson, though he was starting to show signs of improvement, wasn't able to show enough to beat out Gaffney.

Cobbs was drafted when the Pats already had 4 RBs on the team in Pass, Faulk, Rabih Abdullah and Dillon. Cobbs was the 32nd pick of the 4th round and was placed on the PUP/Reserve list in TC. Was activated and saw time in some games. Couldn't make the squad in 2005 when the Pats decided to go with just Faulk, Pass and Dillon out of TC. Of course, that bit them in the butt and resulted in them playing Mike Cloud, Amos Zereoue, and acquiring Heath Evans.

The Pats have hit on 3 of 7 picks. That's not bad at all. Next you are going to say they should draft TEs because they've only hit on 3 of 9. (Graham, Watson, Thomas, Stalcheski, Love, Holloway, Nead, Stokes, Mills)
 
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The Pats have Woods and drafted Crable. Just because Crable hasn't been active doesn't mean he doesn't have ability. He was a DE in college and is learning the Pats OLB scheme. Give him time.

Sanders hardly sucks. Is he as good at reading plays as Harrison? Nope. But he's not abyssmal either.


Oh, I agree with you. LB is one area where they have skill in drafting. That is when drafting within the first 5 rounds and not trying to get by on rejects like that guy from SMU.

It's only WR and RB where they should be forbidden from drafting at all. They have proven to be inept.
 
To maryjane,

You are not a fan of this team. We all know that.
 
Stupid post. What exactly does he disagree with in my post, or do you?

Just namecalling/trolling is all you're good for apparently.

Vrabel is old and feeble, he is near useless. Do you dare even TRY to REFUTE that? I think not.

People have already refuted the hell out of it. The defensive assignments are different week to week. Belichick has noted this 50,000 times throughout his career.
 
The nickel package in the last game had 2 down linemen (Wright and Seymour; Wright seemed to be on a jailbreak every time he was in there, even if he did not record a sack himself) and a plethora of linebackers - Thomas would occasionally put his hand down, but Guyton, Mayo, and Vrabel seemed to be the other 3 on nickel situations. Thomas provides versatility in that you don't know where he's going to line up - he's a more athletic version of McGinest.

Agreed. I said a couple weeks ago AD is my defensive MVP on this team so far for his versatility. He allows them to do so much, and also lessens the impact of injuries b/c he can fill multiple roles.
 
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You haven't taken your analysis far enough my friend:
- Where "has" Adalius been playing on passing downs during the first quarter of the season?
- Who "else" has been playing where Adalius was and what was/is their experience level?
- Has there been any progress made that would allow Adalius to rush more often...which means a two-headed edge rush like when Colvin was playing across from Vrabes.
- And finally, does anyone think a pass rusher who was voted to the Pro-bowl after a double digit sack season just might draw more attention?


For scaryjane and her ilk, I'll provide some answers, please find an adult to read and explain them to you:
- Adalius has been playing "ILB" on passing downs in nickel and dime packages alongside "Mayo." Any lights going on? You know, like "rookie?" "Soft target" for experienced NFL QBs? Veteran "help" while the kid is learning? Not to mention "Guyton" has been taking more passing down reps and needed Adalius's "help" too.
- Mayo and Guyton are having the training wheels taken off and they are doing some X-games stunts already. This frees Adalius so Pees can send him to crunch the QB.
- Adalius is getting sacks because the blockers now have to protect a wider front with Vrabes and Sey/Vince/Ty/Jarvis/Wright/Le Kevin coming like wild men, not to mention Pees likes to blitz Guyton up the middle for a change of pace (remember the Denver 'int' gang?).

What do all those words have to do with the fact that whenever Vrabel rushes the QB, he doesn't ever get close to him, even when only blocked one-on-one? His days of being a pass-rusher worthy of respect, much less fear, are over. If Woods can show that he can properly hold the edge on runs, then he should start instead; Crable should be a game-day active (esp. with Jarvis still out), and Vrabel can rotate at ILB with Bruschi.
 
He is playing a differnet side of the ball this year than he has. AD is playing on the LOLB and Vrabes is playing the ROLB. HE has always played on the LOLB position.

This has to have something to do with his lack of sack and pressure this year. Perhaps someone can explain the differences playing on the side he's playing this year.

i was thinking it was because of strong side weak side, but then i was thinking it might bebecause he's taller and seymour is taller so you ahve one side longer and taking the qb's vision away maybe. but then i also thought maybe it was to get seymour paired with vrabel and vice versa

good question for reiss
 
Stupid post. What exactly does he disagree with in my post, or do you?

Just namecalling/trolling is all you're good for apparently.

Vrabel is old and feeble, he is near useless. Do you dare even TRY to REFUTE that? I think not.

Box, DaBruinz et. al. (look it up) refuted your unsubstantiated and ignorant repeated blathering about Vrabes.

Please, promise us not to vote in Nov and all will be forgiven (Country is more important than football)
 
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Vrabel is old and feeble, he is near useless. Do you dare even TRY to REFUTE that? I think not.

Do not want to feed the trolls, but this may get the award for stupidest post of the year.. Vrabel is getting older, and a little slower.. but very wiser.. to just say this without any quanfication shows that you do not know much about Patriots Football and the Patriots in general.. from what I have seen he is still as effective as ever.
 
I'm glad other people are seeing this as well. Vrabel has been horrible at rushing the passer this year. In fact, he's getting stoned at the line of scrimmage on almost every pass play. Also, he's very slow off the snap. It's surpising to see he has 2 sacks right now with the way he's playing. What the hell happened to him? I hope they activate Crable when he's healthy because he had a great preseason rushing the passer.
 
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So I guess Vrabel is the chic thing to ***** about this week. We've gone from Cassel to Maroney to Vrabel now. I agree that he doesn't look good in the pass rush but neither did Seymour prior to last week. Know why? The answer lies within the defensive game plan.
 
So I guess Vrabel is the chic thing to ***** about this week. We've gone from Cassel to Maroney to Vrabel now. I agree that he doesn't look good in the pass rush but neither did Seymour prior to last week. Know why? The answer lies within the defensive game plan.

Why do people on this forum say this? Why would the Pats want any player to play poorly or be a non factor? This is an excuse that many people on this board are playing out. Whenever a player plays bad, people say "it's part of the game plan". Give me a break. Vrabel has been really bad this year, that is not what the game plan calls for. I'm 100% sure they don't tell him to get stoned at the line when he's rushing the passer one on one. It's becoming a joke when I see him try to get after the QB, especially when he stunts inside.
 
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Why do people on this forum say this? Why would the Pats want any player to play poorly or be a non factor? This is an excuse that many people on this board are playing out. Whenever a player plays bad, people say "it's part of the game plan". Give me a break. Vrabel has been really bad this year, that is not what the game plan calls for. I'm 100% sure they don't tell him to get stoned at the line when he's rushing the passer one on one. It's becoming a joke when I see him try to get after the QB, especially when he stunts inside.


Could you tell me the percentage of snaps that Vrabel is on the field for in which his sole or primary responsibility is to rush the passer?

How good/bad are the blockers he is going against? Is there any coaching involved in his pass rushing or is his job (whenever he rushes the passer) to "get to the QB at all costs"?

Also when you say Vrabel has "been really bad this year" are you including his ability in the run game?
 
I was talking to a co-worker today about this very discussion.. And we both agree the LBers in general aren't as effective as they were last year...

I'm on the side that Vrabel and Brusci are slowing down. From the unpaid eye of an untrained professional, I've seen many times where Vrabel has rushed the passer and been picked up by the RB or by one OL.. It doesn't appear he is being double teamed.

Looking at his stats, he has 21 tackles after 7 games. Thats going to average to be about 49 tackles this year.. Half of what he normally does.. Not good for a player playing in a 3-4.. LB's are the heart and soul and this is where we should see 80+ tackles.

Per mike reiss articles, Vrable is playing a majority of the downs, so it can't mean he's losing his spot.. Maybe's he injured, maybe he's not.. But one thing for sure, he's slower this year..


About Tedy B.. He is definitely slowing down.. Yes his name was brought up many times yesterday, roughly 11 times, but none were tackles for losses.. An important stat many miss.. The rams averaged 4 yds a carry.. And this is without S Jackson..
I've enjoyed watching Teddy play for years but time has caught up.. Look at harrison, he's been a great player but you could see the difference with Meriweather in there.. The speed that kid brings is something you can't teach.. I dont think the loss of Harrison will sting us to much..
 
seems to me that vrabel's role at this point in his career is simple..

set the edge on the run plays, and if its a pass, go after the QB by trying to rush past the RT

not to sack/strip the QB, but to take the RT from protection, and leave 4 guys there...to help the D line out
 
seems to me that vrabel's role at this point in his career is simple..

set the edge on the run plays, and if its a pass, go after the QB by trying to rush past the RT

not to sack/strip the QB, but to take the RT from protection, and leave 4 guys there...to help the D line out

I hope its more than that.. Especially a starter who is making some good cash..
 
What do all those words have to do with the fact that whenever Vrabel rushes the QB, he doesn't ever get close to him, even when only blocked one-on-one? His days of being a pass-rusher worthy of respect, much less fear, are over. If Woods can show that he can properly hold the edge on runs, then he should start instead; Crable should be a game-day active (esp. with Jarvis still out), and Vrabel can rotate at ILB with Bruschi.
capt. downer, nice to have you reading my stuff. Remember, keep smiling, Matt Cassel is our QB. :D
 
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