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I think NFL_Truth is going to be pissed (as will the rest of Colts Nation & Manning Lovers) when he sees the site I'm going to be launching soon :D

Get ready Patriots Nation...we'll get the last laugh :)

Ian

Care to throw us a hint? I am very intrigued.

Oh, and NFL_Truth is a f tard, but we all knew that. And the Broncos salary cap fine was bigger than the Pats and BB's fines combine. Dummy.
 
In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, though, all teams were told that "videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

#1: The Patriots cameraman were kicked out of Lambeau field during the 2006 season and had his video tape taken away because his camera was pointed at the packers sideline before the game begun. Due to this inccident and rumors the Pats had been illegally videotaping opponents, the NFL sent a memo out to all 32 NFL teams prior to the 2007 season warning them that they could not point camera's at opponents sidelines.

#2: The Patriots ignored this order and decided to videotape the Jets signals in week 1 of the 2007 season and were caught for the first time.

#3: The c'mish met with Bill Bellichick and he admitted that he had been videotaping since 2000 as he was unaware it violated league rules. This was an obvious lie as anyone can tell, but none the less, he was orderedto hand over all notes, tapes, and info recieved from spying and he did. The NFL then destroyed all of the evidence. (And admitted to doing so).

#4: The Patriots were fined 250k, Bellichick 500k, and stripped of their first round draft pick. These were by far the heaviest fines in NFL history and never before had any team done anything bad enough to be stripped a draft pick. We have to use common sense here. The Patriots are a brilliant organization and Bellichick is a genius, you agree right? So why would they risk all of this for something that would not be a major benefit? The answer is they would not as it was a crucial factor in them winning those games. They took an educated risk and reaped the rewards of 3 SB's for doing so without ever being caught in that span.

#5: Arlen Spector thought the way the NFL handled the situation was odd, and he was right. The c'mish never talked to Tom Brady. Odd that he wouldn't even investigate enough and talk to the first player in on the entire situation. He also found it odd that they would destroy all of the evidence so quickly and not come forward to what was on the tapes they destroyed. The reason the NFL did this was to play down the fiasco as much as possible. The more the Pats could be exposed as cheaters would hurt the league's reputation as they have been the face of the NFL for a long time now.

#6: Matt Walsh had some tapes he kept after being fired from the Patriots. Bellichick claimed he didnt know him and you could bearly pick him out of a lineup, then photographs surfaced featuring the two together to once again expose Bellichick's dishonesty. The fact that he did not have SB tapes is not relivant because Belichick admited to videotaping during that time. What people don't understand is that they would not likely keep any such evidence after using it. Think about it? If you cheated in the SB, would you keep the tapes and risk exposure or would you destory the evidence? Duh...regardless the NFL destroyed what was left and all Walsh had was some extra tapes left over.

So as you can see, The Patriots did not cheat in only once game. Walsh had tapes from two AFC Championship games for what its worth, but Bellichick admitted to videotaping throughout those 6 years anyway. So the Patriots cheated in a total of 111 games as admitted by Bellichick with all tapes destoryed (admittedly so) and never revealed to the public.

The thought of thinking that they cheated only once and there is no evidence to the contrary is laughable but hey, I guess you try to believe what you got to believe to prevent the shame that this brings.

For what its worth, all of this has nothing to do with Randy Moss who has "never" cheated. The Reason the Pats did so well last year is mostly thanks to Moss and what he did to that offense, as he's made many other offenses and QB's look better then they really are. And dont ever discount the mass amount of knowledge that can be aquired from cheating in that mannor for 6 straight years. Brady knows more about most defenses then any other QB would aquire in 20 years due to the plethora of knowledge that could only be attained so quick thru cheating.

old news.....and not 100% accurate. i am not going to try and change your mind though, it seems the people who keep bringing up spygate feel that the way they look at it is the truth of the situation, even if it is not.
 
I apologize for my absense, but the NFL Truth has returned to give you the facts.

1: Other teams have cheated, tried to read coaches lips, etc. But never before has a team ever taken such a big advantage by incorporating videotapes into the mix, also no team has ever gained so much from cheating.

2: The rule was not unclear but it was because the Patriots had gained a reputation for pushing the envelope, they sent out a memo to directly state it to every team, the same information had always been present, the memo was a reminder because they wanted to Pats to stop. The NFL did not want the Patriots to get caught and have it smeared all over the media so they tried to stop it before the cat got out of the bag. Unfortunatley the Patriots needed to cheat and would never give up their advantage.

3: In regards to their accomplishments of the 2007 season, they had gained many outside players who wanted to come play for a team with a winning tradition, a winning tradition that could not have been reached without cheating. Also, their current players, especially Brady learned more about defensive coverages in 6 years of cheating then most 15 year Vets because he was the only QB to get to see that side of coverages attained thru illegal means. The combination of knowledgeable coaches and players influenced thru illegal means and star players coming in from others made the Patriots a tough team to beat, certainly didnt hurt playing in the weakest division in football.

So as you can see my mis-guided friends, these are the facts. 100% True as brought to you by the great NFL Truth.
 
I apologize for my absense, but the NFL Truth has returned to give you the facts.

1: Other teams have cheated, tried to read coaches lips, etc. But never before has a team ever taken such a big advantage by incorporating videotapes into the mix, also no team has ever gained so much from cheating.

2: The rule was not unclear but it was because the Patriots had gained a reputation for pushing the envelope, they sent out a memo to directly state it to every team, the same information had always been present, the memo was a reminder because they wanted to Pats to stop. The NFL did not want the Patriots to get caught and have it smeared all over the media so they tried to stop it before the cat got out of the bag. Unfortunatley the Patriots needed to cheat and would never give up their advantage.

3: In regards to their accomplishments of the 2007 season, they had gained many outside players who wanted to come play for a team with a winning tradition, a winning tradition that could not have been reached without cheating. Also, their current players, especially Brady learned more about defensive coverages in 6 years of cheating then most 15 year Vets because he was the only QB to get to see that side of coverages attained thru illegal means. The combination of knowledgeable coaches and players influenced thru illegal means and star players coming in from others made the Patriots a tough team to beat, certainly didnt hurt playing in the weakest division in football.

So as you can see my mis-guided friends, these are the facts. 100% True as brought to you by the great NFL Truth.


It's pretty transparent that you've got no comeback to the numerous detailed responses here - and the challenges that you aren't presenting facts but opinion and speculation, but in response to your points:

#1 - If you have some additional evidence please come forward and give it to the commissioner - otherwise you're just blabbering speculation - not to mention ignoring the other NFL coaches that have come forward to admit they engaged in the same practice as Belichick.

#2 - The NFL itself admits that the rule was unclear prior to their clarifying memo. Your #2 seems like its gone through great pains not to admit this "fact" and exonnerate Belichick for interpreting an unclear rule prior to the 2006 memo.

#3 - Actually I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with #3 - you might want to pay more attention in your Middle School English class in the future. Perhaps you're making the point that BEFORE the Jets game when the Patriots were "cheating" they had a much worse record than AFTER Spygage - when they had a perfect regular season.

So if you're pointing out that the Patriots did better without cheating - Bravo, and thanks for reminding us of that!

Apparently you've got no response to all those who rebuked your previous "Facts" so I guess we can consider "Idiotgate" - also known as "NFL Truth's Pitiful Attempt to Talk Smack in a Pats Forum" - as closed.
 
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Patriots are the only team to cheat to that extent-fact.

Belichick admitted to cheating for 6 seasons, 127 total games-fact

only a moron could "mis-interpret" the obvious-fact

Belicheat is no moron-fact

Belicheat knew it was illeagal and continued-fact

Other coaches have not admited to doing "exactly" the same-fact

Patriots are the only team caught doing this in 87-years-fact

Patriots aquired unfair knowledge thru cheating that aided them in 2007-fact

Tom Brady faked an injury before the SB that he lost-fact

Enjoy more facts from the most educated football fan of all time-fact

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Why don't you post in the main forum?

:singing:

Troll.
 
Patriots are the only team to cheat to that extent-fact.

Belichick admitted to cheating for 6 seasons, 127 total games-fact

only a moron could "mis-interpret" the obvious-fact

Belicheat is no moron-fact

Belicheat knew it was illeagal and continued-fact

Other coaches have not admited to doing "exactly" the same-fact

Patriots are the only team caught doing this in 87-years-fact

Patriots aquired unfair knowledge thru cheating that aided them in 2007-fact

Tom Brady faked an injury before the SB that he lost-fact

Enjoy more facts from the most educated football fan of all time-fact

:singing:


Do you have a split personality? Because you're arguing with yourself, and obviously can't read.

Aside from the fact that you stated that Belichick has been breaking a 2006 rule for 6 years, read this article to familiarize yourself with the 87 years of NFL history you know nothing about.

Lee Grosscup - Spying in Pro Football - SPORT magazine - thesportgallery.com

Here's a tip - try not to let your lips move while reading. It will take you that much longer.

I say keep on posting though - you have a great way of making Patriots fans feel superior to other team fans. :popcorn:

Care to share with us who YOU root for just so we know what "smart" team fans you represent? :nooo:
 
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I'm from Boston duh...I'm a Pats fan. That's why you dont see the fun of it. I knowmy team cheated but i think its great. Did that make us the best football team during those years? No, but we got away with it and thats what counts. And for what its worth, the videotaping rules have been in place far before 2006, it was just after our team pushed the envelope that those punks in the NFL office decided to hunt us down.
 
Be careful backtracking, you might trip.........

Listen, no disrespect. Spygate was so......... last year dude. Did you just wake up from a coma? Seriously?
 
Patriots are the only team to cheat to that extent-fact.

Belichick admitted to cheating for 6 seasons, 127 total games-fact

only a moron could "mis-interpret" the obvious-fact

Belicheat is no moron-fact

Belicheat knew it was illeagal and continued-fact

Other coaches have not admited to doing "exactly" the same-fact

Patriots are the only team caught doing this in 87-years-fact

Patriots aquired unfair knowledge thru cheating that aided them in 2007-fact

Tom Brady faked an injury before the SB that he lost-fact

Enjoy more facts from the most educated football fan of all time-fact

:singing:

this can't be real, he has to be messing with us
 
I'm from Boston duh...I'm a Pats fan. That's why you dont see the fun of it. I knowmy team cheated but i think its great. Did that make us the best football team during those years? No, but we got away with it and thats what counts. And for what its worth, the videotaping rules have been in place far before 2006, it was just after our team pushed the envelope that those punks in the NFL office decided to hunt us down.

Has your doctor tested you for whiplash?

The last time I saw someone spin around that quick, he was trying to cover Wes Welker. :D
 
An article from the Boston Globe..lol, not biased at all. Hmmm, what football team is located near Boston?

Please please feed me more of this stuff, its hysterical!
 
"An article from the Boston Globe..lol, not biased at all. Hmmm, what football team is located near Boston?

Please please feed me more of this stuff, its hysterical!"

Actually, what's "hysterical" is how much of an attention whore you are, you make Curt Schilling and Bret Favre look tame in comparison.

Patriots fan huh; nice try douchebag.........
 
An article from the Boston Globe..lol, not biased at all. Hmmm, what football team is located near Boston?

Please please feed me more of this stuff, its hysterical!

Care to explain how you feel a verbatim interview on WFAN would have a bias?

Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You’re a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?

JJ: Oh please. I’ve said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they’re not on the press box side you can’t do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.

Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?

JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league. And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And so that’s when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don’t do it any more, he did it.

Q: Did you ever steal signals?

JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.

Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?

JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you’re going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.

Q: But did you do it by taping the signal caller?

JJ: Yeah.

Q: Oh you did.

JJ: That’s what I’m saying. I was saying one of Marty Schottenheimer’s scouts, Mark Hatley, who has passed away now, Mark told me that’s how they did it, and Howard Mudd their offensive line coach with Kansas City, who now coaches for Tony Dungy, he was the best in the entire league at stealing signals.

Q: Where’d you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?

JJ: My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you’d just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That’s the best way to do it, but anyway you can’t always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they’re on the same side as the opposing team that’s when you need to do it from the sideline.
 
An article from the Boston Globe..lol, not biased at all. Hmmm, what football team is located near Boston?

Please please feed me more of this stuff, its hysterical!

I can provide you with a live interview and you can listen for yourself. You, obviously, just want to troll. So if you, the self proclaimed "truth" man won't listen to clear, and factual interviews then GFY.
 
Okay, enough of my sarcasim, i only did that in response to all the rude comments i got. When i made this post, there was nothing rude or untruthfull about it, its just that your response was that of anger and embarrassment. But now i'll tackle the obvious and explain what the real situation is.

In regards to the Jimmy Johnson interview, you could tell it was an unprofesional one just by reading the words spoken. But with that aside, "if" Johnson cheated as well, that would not surprise me. The Cowboys are not known for having a very honorable reputation, especially in the 1990's. Anyone who admits to cheating would certainly make it out to be common place, no one would admit to being one of the few who broke rules and reaped the rewards. The bias is present in his words and the person who spoke them.

There is a reason other people have not been caught or exposed, there are not alot, if any others who have been doing this. Players and coaches trying to read-lips and memorize signals is bad enough, but no where near the level of videotaping signals, stealing them, and knowing the plays that are coming.

People around the league who have played spygate down have done so for good reason. No one wants to be on the bad side of Goodell who so blatantly has fought valiantly to sweep this under the rug. I disagree with this but i understand wanting to protect his league. The pats have been the face of the NFL for years now, so the more they could be exposed as cheaters, the most it hurts the league's reputation and causes too much questions. Just try explaining what happened to the 3 teams that lost the SB by only 3 points after being videotaped, explain it to colts fans who had their players mauled in the 03 AFC title with the refs looking the other way, explain it to raider fans who lost a game they should have won to the tuck rule, explain it to the rams who magically had the clock run out on them in the 01 SB, there are just too many questions to be answered and spygate was just the tip of the iceberg.

MLB has never recovered from its steriod scandles and Goodell knew the NFL would be hit hard from all of this. Thats why you hear some old coaches and NFL guys play down the impact.

Its obvious a genius, even if an evil one such as Belichick would have never risked so much with this videotaping policy if there was not something major to gain from it, it was an educated decision that paid off. People want to make it like many teams have done it even though there is zero proof of anyone else doing it. I'm certain other teams have cheated, but never to this extent and that's why the patriots had become so successful. They did well in 2007 because most of their players learned so much thru cheating, especially brady who saw a side of the game no other QB had the chance to see. They also stacked up FA pick ups and the combination made the very successfull. But you have to take into consideration they played in the weakest division the NFL has seen in many years, won a game they technically lost to Baltimore, and had a guy in Randy Moss who was the key behind everything, credit given.

But the facts are that the patriots cheated when others didnt. they won games they would not have had they not had a major advantage. and the benefits outside of the winning they had was aquired thru the unfair study of illegal material. one can not ignore the massive impact that had unless they are afraid to come to terms with realizing that the patriots could not have won as much as they did without cheating, and they wouldnt be as knowledgeable today had it not been for cheating.

To play down the importance of spygate is ignorant. To believe others cheated to that extent with zero proof of the sort is nieve. People on the pats forum are going to hate hearing about it, and thats why i was banned from the pats section which doesnt honestly mean anything to me. i expected the bias present on the forums would result in my banning anyway. I do however think it is important for pats fans to realize what happened, understand the significance, and stop looking for every excuse to play it down. I understand most if not all of you will not give the facts the time of day. Instead you look for excuses to make it seem like the cheating was not as bad as it was, or excuses saying other teams so the same therfore your not as bad, yes they were and no amount of excuses can escape that.

I think fans of the other 31 nfl teams would not have so much anomosity if the pats were honest instead of deceptive about owning up to what they did. And if the fans were not so arrogant and rude and ignorant about the situation. I'm not singleing out any one imparticular i dont even remember the various members names. I know that not all pats fans are like this but when you act out and behave rude and without class, you only embrace the very example put out for you on the field by the pats. But hey, its never too late so just own up to it, except it, treat others with respect and you'll be that much closer to cleaning up the patriots reputation.
 
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I think your opinion is wrong, you're an attention whore, you still live in your parents basement, and have never had a woman look your way. Please do us a favor and hang yourself.

See, I can be a troll, too.
 
Of course you'd view facts as blah blah. So let me ask you this, was the content to difficult to comprehend or just too truthfull to except?
 
Of course you'd view facts as blah blah. So let me ask you this, was the content to difficult to comprehend or just too truthfull to except?

It was trolling bullsh!t and I didn't bother to read it, just skimmed it. Kind of like how you never answered JoeSixPats thing about the cheating that has been going on for years, and what a few of us have said about Denver actually getting the highest fine given to an NFL team. Don't believe me, google it.

Do you think you're the first person to try and get Pats fans riled up over Blown Out of Proportion Gate? It's not even a hot topic anymore. The only people that care are...well, I don't know. You. I'm not really sure who else. Joey Porter, I guess.

You're a joke, man. You're hear to get people yelling and all p!ssed off about it again, and Ian caught you. That's why you'll be stuck here hoping someone like me will take time to make fun of you a little, while the rest of us are chatting about relevant topics in the main forum.

Anyways, I'm done talking to you. I guess you better hope someone else jumps in or this thread will die like all the other troll/hater crap that is in the visitor forum.
 
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