Is Cassel progressing in intangible ways

[PatsWickedPissah]

Is there any evidence he can get beyond locking in on one receiver?

Brady certainly used to have a lot of plays where he went to his first read, period (specifically, swing passes). But I don't recall him EVER being this helpless when the first read didn't pan out.

Good point that he's now at least TRYING to look for the second read. But he hasn't yet gotten as far as succeeding at it.

On MNF they correctly showed examples of Cassel hiting his 2nd read. He's there. Gott get there consistently and beyond.

 

[JoePats]

On MNF they correctly showed examples of Cassel hiting his 2nd read. He's there. Gott get there consistently and beyond.

It doesn't speed up the process when he's getting sacked while still dropping back which happened Monday or when he's getting sacked after read 1 after a three step drop which happened in San Fran.

The thing is we really don't know how fast he should be picking up everything. Where do you come up with a baseline?

 

[BennyBledsoe]

It is amazing to me that you guys are giving Cassel crap for not being Brady. Of course he isn't.

Neither was Brady when he started in 2001. I remember watching him and just thinking he was a good dink and dunk passer. I mean, watching him getting his ass kicked against the Dolphins (in Miami), you couldn't tell me six years later, he'd be breaking the NFL record for touchdown passes.

Being able to make the proper reads and progressions is a skill that takes a long time to develop. NO quarterback has it their first year, not even Manning had it his first year.

So the fact the team is 4-2 is great and we should all be enjoying their success. Remember! An 11-5 record has got them to Super Bowls before!

 

[Patjew]

It is amazing to me that you guys are giving Cassel crap for not being Brady. Of course he isn't.

Neither was Brady when he started in 2001. I remember watching him and just thinking he was a good dink and dunk passer. I mean, watching him getting his ass kicked against the Dolphins (in Miami), you couldn't tell me six years later, he'd be breaking the NFL record for touchdown passes.

Being able to make the proper reads and progressions is a skill that takes a long time to develop. NO quarterback has it their first year, not even Manning had it his first year.

So the fact the team is 4-2 is great and we should all be enjoying their success. Remember! An 11-5 record has got them to Super Bowls before!

Who is doing that? I have not seen post in this thread giving him any crap.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Who is doing that? I have not seen post in this thread giving him any crap.

Maybe not in this thread (and even then I'm pretty sure others have commented about being worried about him, etc) but elsewhere on this board, it's like he's the second coming of Satan or something.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I think we all agree that he has enough talent to be successful if he pulls the mental end of it together.

Every QB in the NFL (OK, with the exception of Pennington) has the physical skills; it is precisely the mental aspect of QB the separates them. I'm not sure what most of you are seeing, because I'm seeing a QB that doesn't have a clue when the first or second read isn't open. Exactly what progress has been made over the last 2 months? I saw 6 sacks and no passes over 10 yards from the line of scrimmage against a defense that looks like the worst in the NFL (although it doesn't rank 32nd - yet).

It appears to me that they've simplified their expectations and he still struggles getting the right reads. Fortunately, he is avoiding the turnovers or this would be a disaster. I hope that his reads improve, but I just don't see the evidence of it at this point.

 

[Joker]

Maybe not in this thread (and even then I'm pretty sure others have commented about being worried about him, etc) but elsewhere on this board, it's like he's the second coming of Satan or something.

You MUST be referring to Jets Lifer who gave him a grade of F earlier today on these very threads.Try to understand ,Benny, there's a whole slew of undercover Rat trolls infiltrating this board under the guise of Patriot fan.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Every QB in the NFL (OK, with the exception of Pennington) has the physical skills; it is precisely the mental aspect of QB the separates them. I'm not sure what most of you are seeing, because I'm seeing a QB that doesn't have a clue when the first or second read isn't open. Exactly what progress has been made over the last 2 months? I saw 6 sacks and no passes over 10 yards from the line of scrimmage against a defense that looks like the worst in the NFL (although it doesn't rank 32nd - yet).

It appears to me that they've simplified their expectations and he still struggles getting the right reads. Fortunately, he is avoiding the turnovers or this would be a disaster. I hope that his reads improve, but I just don't see the evidence of it at this point.

well, this thread almost stayed positive

 

[Patjew]

Maybe not in this thread (and even then I'm pretty sure others have commented about being worried about him, etc) but elsewhere on this board, it's like he's the second coming of Satan or something.

Oh yeah, elsewhere the bashing has been rampant. This thread has been pretty balanced, though.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Oh yeah, elsewhere the bashing has been rampant. This thread has been pretty balanced, though.

Well we wouldnt want to have a positive thread

I'll make things right, and start a "mike richardson sucks" thread .lol.

 

[Patjew]

Well we wouldnt want to have a positive thread

I'll make things right, and start a "mike richardson sucks" thread .lol.

You troll!!

-from a Homer

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

You troll!!

-from a Homer

troll? me? well,,,,,,,,,,,,you drink koolaid! so there!

 

[Fencer]

On MNF they correctly showed examples of Cassel hiting his 2nd read. He's there. Gott get there consistently and beyond.

Well, that's encouraging!

 

[Patjew]

troll? me? well,,,,,,,,,,,,you drink koolaid! so there!

I drink that kool aid all day long.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Well, that's encouraging!

The thing that really made me smile, was when he finally hit a wide open tight end. I was starting to think he just didnt like TE's.lol.

Cassel is getting better with experience.

 

[Nunchucks]

1) Cassel is doing a great job of hitting the short passes, I know it is the primary read but really you see a lot of QBs botch those short passing plays all the time.

2) Cassel actually throw the ball away a couple times to avoid sacks, he needs to do it more, but that was definitly an improvement over his other games. He's learned that he cannot out run the defense so he needs to throw the ball away.

3) He is starting to look at his secondary receiver

4) He hasn't turned the ball over

He has a wicked long way to go, but he has shown some improvement.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

Maybe not in this thread (and even then I'm pretty sure others have commented about being worried about him, etc) but elsewhere on this board, it's like he's the second coming of Satan or something.

I think you missed reading Andy's OP in full that specifically said that this thread is not about praising or dissing Cassell. So, I am glad that the thread has been balanced so far and don't care what happened in other threads.

I am encouraged by what I saw last week and will be more happy if he continues at that level (hopefully improves) on Sunday and thus shows consistency.

So yes, Cassel is progressing in intangible ways but IMO, it might be better to grade him after 7/8 games and go by his more recent performances which should reflect his ability to implement his learnings.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

One other thing worth noting is that NFL.com had a video where BB is talking to Cassel, and he says [paraphrasing] "Have you ever said to yourself, 'Man, I lost that game because I threw an incompletion?' Of course not. It's the turnovers that cost you games."

 

[Garbanza]

Cassel does not make many costly mistakes, look at how many attempts and interceptions he has.

His pocket presence is constantly improving.

Right now he plays like Bledsoe but his ceiling is much higher in my opinion, because he makes less costly mistakes and also is improving his pocket presence and sack-taking.

whaaaa????

His pocket presence is improving? How so? His alluding the sack and actually throwing a ball away?

His ceiling is higher than Bledsoe? He's taking less sacks and he can make progressive reads in the pocket? His long ball abilities? Which he may actually have - and we've seen it - occasionally - but those sorts of plays take too long to develop for a qb with BAD pocket presence.

Dear Lord, the glasses are awfully foggy 'round here.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

whaaaa????

His pocket presence is improving? How so? His alluding the sack and actually throwing a ball away?

His ceiling is higher than Bledsoe? He's taking less sacks and he can make progressive reads in the pocket? His long ball abilities? Which he may actually have - and we've seen it - occasionally - but those sorts of plays take too long to develop for a qb with BAD pocket presence.

Dear Lord, the glasses are awfully foggy 'round here.

Some of us get our eyes checked at the Belichick Football Viewing Opthomology Clinic. You should check it out as those recycled coke bottle lenses you're sporting have continutally clouded what little football vision you ever had.