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[Brady to Brown]

That was pretty funny. How about these two:

BB scheme doesn't call for sacks?
BB scheme waits for the opposition to make a mistake instead of his defense making the opposition make a mistake?

"Belichick scheme does not call for sacks". I would agree with. What about letting the QB sit in the pocket with zero pressure? How does he feel about that?

Our secondary is not very good. If Belichick waits around for our secondary to win the battle vs the other teams WR's and TE's the score will not be close.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

"Belichick scheme does not call for sacks". I would agree with. What about letting the QB sit in the pocket with zero pressure? How does he feel about that?

Our secondary is not very good. If Belichick waits around for our secondary to win the battle vs the other teams WR's and TE's the score will not be close.

As much as BB knows football, not wanting sacks may be the dumbest strategy of all time. I understand BB wants turnovers instead, but that's not happening with that secondary.

 

[Brady to Brown]

As much as BB knows football, not wanting sacks may be the dumbest strategy of all time. I understand BB wants turnovers instead, but that's not happening with that secondary.

We must get pressure or the QB will pick us apart all day.

It is what it is.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

So the reason we did not lay one hand on Rivers is beacuse....

1/ We had no pressure, because the game plan did not call for pressure.

2/ We had no 2nd half pressure, because the score was 17 - 3.

3/ We had no pressure because of crappy field position.

4/ We had no pressure because of costly penalties.



Is anyone else reading this?

We had no pressure because the game plan called for stopping the run and passes to a pro bowl TE. We lost our rotational DE early on. You make adjustments within limits. Part of that is who you start and who is active or available and who practiced what roles all week...

After the half we had a several minute offensive drive to the 1 yard line that culminated in NOTHING but a loss of the ball on downs. So to put it in terms you can understand, the defense first got back on the field ppossibly prepared to make some adjustments in the second half feeling as if they were collectively kicked in the nuts. Not sure how you play when you're kicked in the nuts, but they gave up a 5 play 2 minute 98 yard drive for a TD that included 2 short passes, a couple of longer runs and a costly PI call. At that point it was 24-3. Then less than a minute later they were recalled to the field following a 1 play drive that resulted in a turnover deep in our end. Three short runs, a SD penalty and a short pass later to regain the lost yardage, stopped on 4th and 1 SD kicked the FG that was the last of their efforts at scoring for the evening.

So yeah, those are the reasons we didn't lay a hand on Rivers. Reasons, not excuses. I dlon't like our lack of pressure by the front 3 or 4 any more than anyone else here. I just don't think it's because they all really suck. I think it's often scheme related.

 

[Brady to Brown]

We had no pressure because the game plan called for stopping the run and passes to a pro bowl TE. We lost our rotational DE early on. You make adjustments within limits. Part of that is who you start and who is active or available and who practiced what roles all week...

After the half we had a several minute offensive drive to the 1 yard line that culminated in NOTHING but a loss of the ball on downs. So to put it in terms you can understand, the defense first got back on the field ppossibly prepared to make some adjustments in the second half feeling as if they were collectively kicked in the nuts. Not sure how you play when you're kicked in the nuts, but they gave up a 5 play 2 minute 98 yard drive for a TD that included 2 short passes, a couple of longer runs and a costly PI call. At that point it was 24-3. Then less than a minute later they were recalled to the field following a 1 play drive that resulted in a turnover deep in our end. Three short runs, a SD penalty and a short pass later to regain the lost yardage, stopped on 4th and 1 SD kicked the FG that was the last of their efforts at scoring for the evening.

So yeah, those are the reasons we didn't lay a hand on Rivers. Reasons, not excuses. I dlon't like our lack of pressure by the front 3 or 4 any more than anyone else here. I just don't think it's because they all really suck. I think it's often scheme related.

The Patriots have A.Thomas and M.Vrabel at OLB.

The Patriots have Wilfork, Seymour and Warren on the D-Line.

One pressure or sack is not to much to ask no matter what the game plan is.

 

[Joker]

The Giants just lost to the Browns by three touchdowns...why don't you go over to a G Men board and run your mouth...your act is wearing thin here.

 

[SVN]

"Belichick scheme does not call for sacks". I would agree with. What about letting the QB sit in the pocket with zero pressure? How does he feel about that?

Our secondary is not very good. If Belichick waits around for our secondary to win the battle vs the other teams WR's and TE's the score will not be close.

yup BB sucks as a defensive coach. he has lost it. he doesnt know our secondary is very good.he is getting old..(sarcasm)

 

[SVN]

The Patriots have A.Thomas and M.Vrabel at OLB.

The Patriots have Wilfork, Seymour and Warren on the D-Line.

One pressure or sack is not to much to ask no matter what the game plan is.

cassel got sacked 5 times against SF and o'sullivan wasnt sacked until the game was out of reach. tells you what a sack means. As bb said today , the secondary cant expect the pass rush to bail them out. they need to keep the receivers in front snd they didnt do it.
BB played his front seven to stop the run and didnt blitz making rivers beat his secondary without chambers. give SD credit , they took that challenge and beat us.
Against denver the pats will again play no pressure and nickel and dime.So dont hold your breath for pass rush. if you want sacks go watch the giants and eagles.

 

[DaBruinz]

interesting stat

rivers is #1 in the nfl in qb rating, even though he's been sacked 8 times

cutler is #11 in rating, having only been sacked twice

twice!

man......that is nuts

One has nothing to do with the other.

 

[PromisedLand]

This was covered last night based on reading between the lines of BB's postgame comments, yet people want to :spygate: . So before we cut, trade, trash specific players and coaches, I will repeat it...

The defensive game plan was predicated on stopping the run and Gates. Which is what you used to have to do with SD. Only Norv's offensive game plan went in a different direction out of the gate perhaps because of the 2008 record with the slow starting status quo. Instead of running on first and second down and passing out of third and often long, even down a #1 WR Norv went with a pass first and pass deep on first and second downs offense we were not prepared to deal with schematically. The safeties were defending against the run and watching Gates. They were not available over the top so the corners were left on islands against pretty tall and emerging WR's. Adding to that we opened in 4-3 only to lose Jarvis Green after the first series. And Merriweather and Hobbs both missed some time due to injuries.

Hobbs missed one or two series; I don't know how many Meriweather missed but it wasn't much more than that either. So where were our coaching adjustments? Was BB outcoached by Norv? Embarrassing. I don't think any pro football coach, let alone one of BB's cache, should have his team unable to react, in real time, to another coach's gameplan. Not at this level.

 

[DaBruinz]

The Patriots have A.Thomas and M.Vrabel at OLB.

The Patriots have Wilfork, Seymour and Warren on the D-Line.

One pressure or sack is not to much to ask no matter what the game plan is.

You do understand that in the 3-4 2 Gap system the job of the D-line is to control the gaps so that the LBs can make plays, yes? You also understand that if you are only rushing 4 (3 linemen and a OLB) and keeping the other 3 OLBs back to defend the run and the short pass to Gates that you are rushing 4 on 5 or 4 on 6 and are likely to lose that battle every time, right?

So, yes, one pressure or sack would be too much to ask. People odon't realize how good that Chargers O-line really is.

 

[WhiZa]

These teams that throw the deep ball you usually have extra time to get to the QB. This was pretty bad. When we play Oakland or Denver we need to bring the house while they wait for their WRs to get down field.

 

[Pats726]

Over 30 posts...and only ONE mention of Jarvis Geen's injury...(Glad you mentioned that Mo...I think this goes by most poster's heads...) I thik THAT had a lot to do with the lack of sacks..no??

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Hobbs missed one or two series; I don't know how many Meriweather missed but it wasn't much more than that either. So where were our coaching adjustments? Was BB outcoached by Norv? Embarrassing. I don't think any pro football coach, let alone one of BB's cache, should have his team unable to react, in real time, to another coach's gameplan. Not at this level.

Another patsfans poster who doesn't watch much football. That's embarassing.

It happens every week to great HC's for a variety of reasons. Most often it's personnel/matchup related. There is a reason some teams regardless of record or accolades always struggle against another - even at time when that other is perceived as an abyssmal failure. It's called the parity driven salary cap NFL. There is lots of talent on every team in the league. Some just have a little more or less than others or coach it a little better or worse or spread their cap a little differently or get lucky/unlucky in a brutal injury riddled sport which results in an effect known as any given Sunday. We've seen a lot of that effect across the league this season which is why only 1 team remains undefeated through week 6 and no one expects it to remain that way much longer nor do they expect what BB did with the 2007 Patriots team to be eclipsed in our lifetime.

Every week 32 teams answer the bell regardless of what has transpired in their individual or collective personal or professional lives since week 1. 16 walk away winners and 16 walk away losers. We happen to have lost the reigning league MVP who in his absence is proving to be just that and it has had a ripple effect on this 2008 version of the NEP. Makes us a very different team to face and makes it that much easier for other teams to take shots or chances against than has been the case for the last several seasons. Colts have gone through an abbreviated version of the same effect this month. The Cowboys are about to get a taste of that too. The object is to navigate that stretch as best you can. The problem for us is it will be a 16 game stretch so everyone on our dance card will continue to come guns blazing. That we are 3-2 through the first 5 games is a testament to this team and this HC and the system. Lesser entities would have curled up in the fetal position and tanked their season, probably behind a flailing Daunte Culpepper... If we manage 3-2 over the next 5 weeks it will be further testament to the organization. And then anything approaching a split down the stretch will be one hell of a season under the circumstances.

The people who can't appreciate that are the blowhard fanboys who live to arrogantly thump thier chests over this teams accomplishments and tear it a new one any time they are deprived of that opportunity to which they've become accustomed. My only advice to them is to grow the f' up.

 

[Pats726]

Another patsfans poster who doesn't watch much football. That's embarassing.

It happens every week to great HC's for a variety of reasons. Most often it's personnel/matchup related. There is a reason some teams regardless of record or accolades always struggle against another - even at time when that other is perceived as an abyssmal failure. It's called the parity driven salary cap NFL. There is lots of talent on every team in the league. Some just have a little more or less than others or coach it a little better or worse or spread their cap a little differently or get lucky/unlucky in a brutal injury riddled sport which results in an effect known as any given Sunday. We've seen a lot of that effect across the league this season which is why only 1 team remains undefeated through week 6 and no one expects it to remain that way much longer nor do they expect what BB did with the 2007 Patriots team to be eclipsed in our lifetime.

Every week 32 teams answer the bell regardless of what has transpired in their individual or collective personal or professional lives since week 1. 16 walk away winners and 16 walk away losers. We happen to have lost the reigning league MVP who in his absence is proving to be just that and it has had a ripple effect on this 2008 version of the NEP. Makes us a very different team to face and makes it that much easier for other teams to take shots or chances against than has been the case for the last several seasons. Colts have gone through an abbreviated version of the same effect this month. The Cowboys are about to get a taste of that too. The object is to navigate that stretch as best you can. The problem for us is it will be a 16 game stretch so everyone on our dance card will continue to come guns blazing. That we are 3-2 through the first 5 games is a testament to this team and this HC and the system. Lesser entities would have curled up in the fetal position and tanked their season, probably behind a flailing Daunte Culpepper... If we manage 3-2 over the next 5 weeks it will be further testament to the organization. And then anything approaching a split down the stretch will be one hell of a season under the circumstances.

The people who can't appreciate that are the blowhard fanboys who live to arrogantly thump thier chests over this teams accomplishments and tear it a new one any time they are deprived of that opportunity to which they've become accustomed. My only advice to them is to grow the f' up.

That sums it up quite well...but many here do not get it at all...

 

[Deus Irae]

Another patsfans poster who doesn't watch much football. That's embarassing.....
The people who can't appreciate that are the blowhard fanboys who live to arrogantly thump thier chests over this teams accomplishments and tear it a new one any time they are deprived of that opportunity to which they've become accustomed. My only advice to them is to grow the f' up.

While I agree with you in general, there's definitely an issue above and beyond this. We're seeing some very uncharacteristic things with this team that have nothing to do with the loss of Brady or opponents' scheming, and they do need to be addressed. Moss' mediocre (to be kind) play and effort, the offensive AND defensive lines losing the physicality battle, huge gaps in the defensive zones and a lack of support on the deep balls being thrown against the team are all things that the coaching staff can, and must, deal with.

 

[emoney_33]

While I agree with you in general, there's definitely an issue above and beyond this. We're seeing some very uncharacteristic things with this team that have nothing to do with the loss of Brady or opponents' scheming, and they do need to be addressed. Moss' mediocre (to be kind) play and effort, the offensive AND defensive lines losing the physicality battle, huge gaps in the defensive zones and a lack of support on the deep balls being thrown against the team are all things that the coaching staff can, and must, deal with.

Whoa, whoa, whoa Deus where are you getting this? Looks can be deceiving, don't judge a book by its cover, etc... Moss may LOOK like he isn't putting effort in, but that's just part of his advantage against the defense. When the CB is playing him, he gives no tells as to when and where the ball is coming. This may look like lack of effort, but it really is not.

Also has anyone considered that BB usually doesn't throw out everything (adjustments, scheme, gameplan) against a team that he is very likely to see again when it counts more? He doesn't simply coach for today, he always has one eye on tomorrow. Like I've said before the gameplan, scheme, coaching advantages will be seen when it really matters, not in week 5 against a potential playoff opponent.

 

[Deus Irae]

Whoa, whoa, whoa Deus where are you getting this? Looks can be deceiving, don't judge a book by its cover, etc... Moss may LOOK like he isn't putting effort in, but that's just part of his advantage against the defense. When the CB is playing him, he gives no tells as to when and where the ball is coming. This may look like lack of effort, but it really is not.

Also has anyone considered that BB usually doesn't throw out everything (adjustments, scheme, gameplan) against a team that he is very likely to see again when it counts more? He doesn't simply coach for today, he always has one eye on tomorrow. Like I've said before the gameplan, scheme, coaching advantages will be seen when it really matters, not in week 5 against a potential playoff opponent.

I call them like I see them. If Moss gives total effort, he makes those catches on Sunday. And he should have had that pass over the middle in the earlier game, as well.

 

[emoney_33]

I call them like I see them. If Moss gives total effort, he makes those catches on Sunday. And he should have had that pass over the middle in the earlier game, as well.

The first pass was a great play by Jammer. Moss did what he ALWAYS does in putting his arms up at the last instant while attempting to shield with his body. Jammer got his hand and hit the ball away.

The 2nd was another great play by Jammer. Moss again did what he always does but caught the ball this time, Jammer couldn't find it quick enough. However Jammer made a great heads up play to knock the ball loose right after Moss got control.

People put way too much stock into Moss' body language, when in fact that is part of why he is so great. If a DB is playing the WR, he does not have eyes in the back of his head. The WR must give a sign that the ball is coming and then the DB tries to locate it in the air. Moss is great at giving up no tells, which to us sometimes looks like no effort.

Look no further than last year, he plays the balls the same exact way.

 

[Deus Irae]

The first pass was a great play by Jammer. Moss did what he ALWAYS does in putting his arms up at the last instant while attempting to shield with his body. Jammer got his hand and hit the ball away.

The 2nd was another great play by Jammer. Moss again did what he always does but caught the ball this time, Jammer couldn't find it quick enough. However Jammer made a great heads up play to knock the ball loose right after Moss got control.

People put way too much stock into Moss' body language, when in fact that is part of why he is so great. If a DB is playing the WR, he does not have eyes in the back of his head. The WR must give a sign that the ball is coming and then the DB tries to locate it in the air. Moss is great at giving up no tells, which to us sometimes looks like no effort.

Look no further than last year, he plays the balls the same exact way.

Both balls should have been caught by Randy Moss. Frankly, it's disappointing to me that anyone thinks otherwise. He's Randy Moss, not Fred Ex. And Jammer didn't "hit the ball away" on that first pass.