After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Peyton

[Deus Irae]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

I agree. It wasn't Tavaris Jackson who called the same three or four plays over and over again. Apparently the Vikes' playbook is an one sheeter. Run Peterson right, run Peterson up the middle, Roll out Jackson right. That was basically all the plays they called all game except for a few exceptions. And it took the Colts like three quarters to figure it out.

The difference is that Cassel would have completed the pass, unlike Tavaris "64.8 rating, 50.5 completion %" Jackson.

 

[SVN]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

The difference is that Cassel would have completed the pass, unlike Tavaris "64.8 rating, 50.5 completion %" Jackson.

well..hypothetically, cassel wont be in that situation because our coaching staff would've called more creative plays. honestly - childress 2 yrs ago claimed this was a "kick ass" offense system. claimed a lot of responsibility of developing mcnabb. said jackson is a 'clay he can mould' or something when they traded up 3rd rounders to pick him in the 2nd round and not yet developed the QB let alone be creative with the offense,slants,posts with berrian ..nothing. if peterson was just good instead of great , vikings would not even get that amount of rushing yards. the poor kid is just running through tackles just because of his ability. i posted this earlier but check this out again for a vikings fan perspective of their offense and their QB

An Open Letter to BradChildress - Daily Norseman

 

[Lampshade]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

I'm seriously confused by all the praise Manning is getting for the Colts' comeback win in Minnesota.

I know the line was banged up, I know that the running game wasn't doing much, but seriously -- the Colts had thirteen drives against a Vikings team whose secondary got carved up all last year, and again last week, by a QB making his first NFL start, and what was the result? Two decent TD drives. That's really it.

In the first half, the Colts picked up more than 1 first down and more than 20 yards in exactly ONE drive, and the poor field position this caused led to many of Minnesota's points. After starting the 2nd half with another 4 play drive, the Colts finally were able to take advantage of Minnesota's blown coverage, and got to the goal line with one big play.

So far, have we seen anything that Sorgi couldn't do? Nope. So what does Manning do next? Fail to significantly advance the ball when their defense gives it to them at the Minnesota 28. So far, is there anything to praise Manning for other than one fluke play?

How 'bout what could have been a game-clinching INT in the 4th if the Vikings could capitalize? Could Sorgi not have done that?

Finally, we get to Manning's one good drive, going 60 yards in 3 plays. Vintage Manning -- but the only time he looked at all impressive all game, considering that the big play that one them the game was Tim Jenning's balletic downing of the ball on the 1 in punt coverage. The defense again was stiff, and got the Colts offense the ball at midfield.

Sorry, exactly where was all of this Manning greatness? Where was this "willing his team to win" that I've heard pundits talking about? What I saw was a defense that, in the 2nd half, adjusted to the fact that the Vikings have no passing game to speak of, and kept the Vikings from putting the game out of reach long enough for the Colts offense to show a few signs of life against a just-adequate secondary.

Totally agree.

Peyton is a flipping awesome QB, but there's a trend to overpraise any performance from him that is less than perfect. It's the sort of thing journalists do to assure themselves they are seeing far more than the casual fan.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

well..hypothetically, cassel wont be in that situation because our coaching staff would've called more creative plays. honestly - childress 2 yrs ago claimed this was a "kick ass" offense system. claimed a lot of responsibility of developing mcnabb. said jackson is a 'clay he can mould' or something when they traded up 3rd rounders to pick him in the 2nd round and not yet developed the QB let alone be creative with the offense,slants,posts with berrian ..nothing. if peterson was just good instead of great , vikings would not even get that amount of rushing yards. the poor kid is just running through tackles just because of his ability. i posted this earlier but check this out again for a vikings fan perspective of their offense and their QB

An Open Letter to BradChildress - Daily Norseman

Don't get me wrong..... I think Childress is a terrible coach and, as amazing as this may sound, a downgrade from the prior meathead at the Viking helm. It's just astonishing to watch Jackson miss on throws that high school quarterbacks complete about 90% of the time. That Vikings team might just be better off with Chester Taylor at quarterback.

 

[lamafist]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

You are severly discounting what a run game and time to throw can do for your offense. You forget about the SB already? 311 yards with about 2 seconds to throw is absolutely vintage.

Nobody gets much of a running game going vs. the Vikings. That's why, the last time the Pats played them, they didn't even bother trying to run the ball vs. them -- they spread them out with 4 or 5 wide, located the favorable match-ups, and chipped away at them underneath most of the game.

This Viking defense has never been tough to pass on, and though the line wasn't giving Manning a ton of time, the Viking's pressure schemes are predictable enough that it doesn't take a 2-time MVP to adjust.

Oh, and don't give me yardage totals, and act like that means something outside of you fantasy league.

 

[coltsfan09]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

After watching what I thought was the best performance in Manning's career against the Vikings on sunday I don't think the Colts would have the luxury of being able to play well and overcoming the loss of Peyton because I think the Indy defense is just not as good as New England's

Peyton was beat up,mangled and dodging Viking's defensive backs and linemen all game but got up,dusted himself off and directed drives to be able to put Indy in position to win that game after not getting much help and trailing 15-0 into the 3rd quarter.

While the defense had a few takeovers to help the Colts win, I think if Sorgi was in there it simply would have been way too much to overcome.

While I am not saying this season will be successful right now because Cassel is still very raw and the team is untested against better teams,I still think this team should be able to consistently put a solid defense on the field to keep New England within reach of most games while I just think the Indy defense would be overwhelmed with trying to keep the Colts offense with Sorgi in command in the same position.

I think this season answers the question that the Colts would be destroyed without Peyton - The Patriots are hurting but still able to play well so far despite the fact that it was 2 scrub teams they beat

Even though I can't stand the guy as a player,I gained respect for Manning after what he said with class regarding Brady and I was even more impressed how he practically took victory from the hands of defeat on sunday almost as if it was a one man show on offense - it was masterful and so Brady-Like,its amazing how Brady and Manning are so similar and special in a sport today which lacks QBs with the Balls to do stuff like this consistently and great.

Without Brady the Patriots could still win 10 games
Without Manning the Colts would be picking in the top 10 in the draft

i have to disagree. Favre and Cassel are still getting acostumed to the new
system. Chargers struggled their first few games with Turner. The real football starts around week 4-5. The Pats vs. the Jets was not a blowout, plus its only 1 game. First few games are always a struggle.

 

[Return of the Nizz]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

Peterson was carving up that pathetic D until Mathis gave him that massive cheap shot on his knee. He came up limping and wasn't the same the rest of the game. I can't believe I haven't heard anything about that play, AP is downfield and engaged with a DB and Mathis comes up from behind and specifically targets the knee, one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen. I thought maybe the Colts had put Polian in at DL for a minute.

 

[Cartwright]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

Nobody gets much of a running game going vs. the Vikings. That's why, the last time the Pats played them, they didn't even bother trying to run the ball vs. them -- they spread them out with 4 or 5 wide, located the favorable match-ups, and chipped away at them underneath most of the game.

This Viking defense has never been tough to pass on, and though the line wasn't giving Manning a ton of time, the Viking's pressure schemes are predictable enough that it doesn't take a 2-time MVP to adjust.

Oh, and don't give me yardage totals, and act like that means something outside of you fantasy league.

Save it. TB had more time against the Giants, and he got slaughtered. Schemes, adjustments, whatever. Allen, the Williams brothers, and EJ are a tough unti to contain for most starting units, let alone 4 backups.

 

[SVN]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

Don't get me wrong..... I think Childress is a terrible coach and, as amazing as this may sound, a downgrade from the prior meathead at the Viking helm. It's just astonishing to watch Jackson miss on throws that high school quarterbacks complete about 90% of the time. That Vikings team might just be better off with Chester Taylor at quarterback.

true but childress is the one who is persisting with him because of his ego. now of course he is flipflopping.check this out
The National Football Post | National Football Post Diner News

FROM SEAN JENSEN OF THE ST PAUL PIONEER PRESS… About 21 hours after saying he is “definitely our quarterback next week,” Vikings coach Brad Childress tempered his commitment to Tarvaris Jackson as his starter Monday at Winter Park. “I’m always looking at what’s giving us the best opportunity to win,” Childress said, repeating one of his favorite mantras. “If it’s Tarvaris, it’s Tarvaris. If it’s Gus Frerotte, it’s Gus Frerotte. J.D. Booty, it’s J.D. Booty.” Childress then acknowledged his definitive statement shortly after Sunday’s 18-15 loss to the Indianapolis Colts before noting that the situation is “ongoing” and punctuating his thought in classic Childress fashion: with a reference to a fairy tale from Hans Christian Andersen. “You don’t crown a guy king and then the king doesn’t have any clothes on, and you say, ‘Hey, he’s still the king,’ ” Childress said. “You know, you just need to make sure you’re doing the right thing there, and so we’re chewing on a bunch of things right now and making sure he’s the best guy for us to go forward.” Asked what needed to take place before making a quarterback change, Childress said, “I just think that’s probably more subjective than anything else,” adding that he and his staff would grade and evaluate each player’s performance before he makes a decision when they install the game plan on Wednesday.

wtf is that ? and people say BB is cryptic.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

true but childress is the one who is persisting with him because of his ego. now of course he is flipflopping.check this out
The National Football Post | National Football Post Diner News


wtf is that ? and people say BB is cryptic.

BB is cryptic. Childress is incompetent. I'll take cryptic, every time.

 

[lamafist]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

Save it. TB had more time against the Giants, and he got slaughtered. Schemes, adjustments, whatever. Allen, the Williams brothers, and EJ are a tough unti to contain for most starting units, let alone 4 backups.

I didn't have a stop-watch out or anything, but it certainly didn't seem to me that Manning had any less time on Sunday than Brady did against the SB.

And I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the Giants and the SB. The Giants' D is nothing like the Vikings. The Giants used a package called "4 aces" which had 4 DE/OLB hybrid type players on the field at a time, alternately rushing and dropping into coverage to keep Brady and the oline guessing where the pressure was coming from. The Vikings, meanwhile, play a pretty standard cover-2 with the same 4 guys rushing from the same spots each time.

Basically, the two defenses are about as difficult as you can get, so I fail to see the point of your trying to make all these comparisons -- especially when the Vikings' play a pretty standard zone with middling talent, and usually have a level of pass defense that smart QB's like Brady and Manning pick apart.

Meanwhile, the last reason why your referencing the SB is pretty lame is that nobody is praising Brady to high hell for pulling the Pats ahead with 2 minutes left in that game. The entire Pats offense had an off game, Brady included.

 

[WhoaDirty]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

Peterson was carving up that pathetic D until Mathis gave him that massive cheap shot on his knee. He came up limping and wasn't the same the rest of the game. I can't believe I haven't heard anything about that play, AP is downfield and engaged with a DB and Mathis comes up from behind and specifically targets the knee, one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen. I thought maybe the Colts had put Polian in at DL for a minute.

ADP is on my fantasy team and I was freaking out about that hit too. Until we watched the replay. Mathis clearly hit right below ADP's butt and it wasn't really close to his knee. But Originally I was thinking exactly what you were.

 

[ICSB]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

Yes Peyton is amazing, I appreciate every game I see him play.And I don't remember the last time I enjoyed a win like this.It's the ugly close wins that are often more satisfying than the pretty blowouts.I got flashbacks in my my mind of the Jim Harbaugh led Colts the other day.

Once Manning got the rust off he was fine.I think most knew it would take a few games to get in sync.It would have been easier with Saturday and Dallas but they were held out just before the game.But, I don't really use injuries as an excuse anymore, everyone has them.Just get the W no excuses.

A lof of improvements to be made but it's only been 2 games.I have a lot of faith in this team.Normally we peak too soon in the season but I have a feeling we won't for a while.

I am excited about this season. It looks like we are in for some wild games.I get disgusted by how many of my fellow Colts fans throw in the towel early in games.You play 60 minutes for a reason and we won't always look pretty.

Oh and Anthony Gonzalez is a stud.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

With an offensive line like what the Colts have right now, I think it's impossible for anyone to look very good. Taking the QBs out of the equation, I definitely agree that NE would be better than Indy, but I don't think that Indy would necessary be a cellar dweller with an average starting QB. They'd probably be an also-ran, along the lines of the Houstons of the league.

 

[WhiZa]

Re: After sundays game,its apparent more than ever that the Colts couldn't win w/o Pe

If Payton wasn't around he could use his contract to field a better team instead of relying on him to throw 49 TDs every year