The Ravens - we are the Ravens...

[cstjohn17]

Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

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BOTTOM LINE: EVEN OVERALL for the non-QB positions

Good idea, lets stick to the bottom line. Last year the offense scored 589~ points, the best ever. Lets say the score 22 PPG this year (about middle of the pack) that works out to 352 or a 237 point (40%) dropoff.

Citing 'In BB we trust' is not analysis it is homerism. Cassell is a huge step down from Brady, he has zero experience, I fully expect some inconsistency. If he can guide the offense to 22 PPG, they should be around 11-5, 10-6 or 9-7, which should either win the division or be in the hunt for a wildcard.

 

[NEBG]

Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

Let;s see if you can add and subtract...take away the TD and now tell me the score that resulted from the ball that brett the jet threw up without looking please?? DUDE??

Let's stick to the discussion, why don't we? I said nothing about the score of the game. I discussed that single play. Boy, do you all like to twist things whatever way is convenient for you.

 

[mgteich]

Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

I agree with your conclusion that a Cassel led team will likely lead to a record "around 11-5, 10-6 or 9-7, which should either win the division or be in the hunt for a wildcard"

HOWEVER, I also believe the offense talent is good enough and our coaching good enough so that there are options that do NOT cost us 13 points per game compares to last year. Just maybe there are ways to game plan to score with say 10 point a game of last year's team.

Good idea, lets stick to the bottom line. Last year the offense scored 589~ points, the best ever. Lets say the score 22 PPG this year (about middle of the pack) that works out to 352 or a 237 point (40%) dropoff.

Citing 'In BB we trust' is not analysis it is homerism. Cassell is a huge step down from Brady, he has zero experience, I fully expect some inconsistency. If he can guide the offense to 22 PPG, they should be around 11-5, 10-6 or 9-7, which should either win the division or be in the hunt for a wildcard.

 

[cstjohn17]

Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

I agree with your conclusion that a Cassel led team will likely lead to a record "around 11-5, 10-6 or 9-7, which should either win the division or be in the hunt for a wildcard"

HOWEVER, I also believe the offense talent is good enough and our coaching good enough so that there are options that do NOT cost us 13 points per game compares to last year. Just maybe there are ways to game plan to score with say 10 point a game of last year's team.

Lets see, it all starts tomorrow. I don't care if they win 3-2, wins within the division are going to be critical.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

Good idea, lets stick to the bottom line. Last year the offense scored 589~ points, the best ever. Lets say the score 22 PPG this year (about middle of the pack) that works out to 352 or a 237 point (40%) dropoff.

Citing 'In BB we trust' is not analysis it is homerism. Cassell is a huge step down from Brady, he has zero experience, I fully expect some inconsistency. If he can guide the offense to 22 PPG, they should be around 11-5, 10-6 or 9-7, which should either win the division or be in the hunt for a wildcard.

In order for this offense to drop off to "average" or "middle of the pack" Cassel will have to SUCK BIG TIME. This offense WITH BRADY never came close to 589 prior to last year. What does that tell you? Brady suddenly had became that much better or his supporting cast suddenly back that much better? Obviously the latter.

Cassel has a far above average supporting cast so to assume a dropoff to average offensive production is to assume a terrible performance by Cassel.

If Cassel even performs as an average QB, this offense will score above average points.

Patriots are winning 12 games in the regular season.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Honestly, how can the offense be inconsistent when they haven't even played a full game together as presently constituted yet? Why don't we just wait until tomorrow night, and then we'll have a better idea of what we've got here.

 

[cstjohn17]

I should have said, I expect the offense to be inconsistent. The first game is a good example.

Drive 1 - 8 plays, 38 yards - fumble
Drive 2 - 7 plays, 68 yards - fumble <- Brady inured, god damn it to f---ing hell
Drive 3 - 10 plays, 98 yards - TD
Drive 4 - 3 plays, 3 yards - Punt
Drive 5 - 3 plays, 6 yards - Punt
Drive 6 - 1 plays, -1 yards - end of half doesn't count
Drive 7 - 11 plays, 80 yards - TD
Drive 8 - 3 plays, -6 yards - Punt
Drive 9 - 3 plays, 9 yards - Punt
Drive 10 - 10 plays, 37 yards - FG
Drive 11 - end of game

NFL - Kansas City Chiefs/New England Patriots Box Score Sunday September 7, 2008 - Yahoo! Sports

 

[Deus Irae]

I should have said, I expect the offense to be inconsistent. The first game is a good example.

Drive 1 - 8 plays, 38 yards - fumble
Drive 2 - 7 plays, 68 yards - fumble <- Brady inured, god damn it to f---ing hell
Drive 3 - 10 plays, 98 yards - TD
Drive 4 - 3 plays, 3 yards - Punt
Drive 5 - 3 plays, 6 yards - Punt
Drive 6 - 1 plays, -1 yards - end of half doesn't count
Drive 7 - 11 plays, 80 yards - TD
Drive 8 - 3 plays, -6 yards - Punt
Drive 9 - 3 plays, 9 yards - Punt
Drive 10 - 10 plays, 37 yards - FG
Drive 11 - end of game

NFL - Kansas City Chiefs/New England Patriots Box Score Sunday September 7, 2008 - Yahoo! Sports

Given that every NFL offense in history has been "inconsistent" if you just use this rubric as your baseline, I'm sure you'll be correct.

 

[fumbrunner]

Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

In order for this offense to drop off to "average" or "middle of the pack" Cassel will have to SUCK BIG TIME. This offense WITH BRADY never came close to 589 prior to last year. What does that tell you? Brady suddenly had became that much better or his supporting cast suddenly back that much better? Obviously the latter.

Cassel has a far above average supporting cast so to assume a dropoff to average offensive production is to assume a terrible performance by Cassel.

If Cassel even performs as an average QB, this offense will score above average points.

Patriots are winning 12 games in the regular season.

Its not so much the points that worry me. The pats offense has always been consistently mistake free (save for Brady's once a year 3 int game). they did what it took to win, be it a 17-14 game or a 31-28 game. Lets hope Cassel continues that. We'll see in the next few games.

As for the comparison with Baltimore, I dont see our defense being as strong as Baltimore's during their SB run, at least not the defense we had last year. Hopefully with Mayo, Oneil, a healthy Seymour, the defense will be better. Too early to tell though...

 

[cstjohn17]

Given that every NFL offense in history has been "inconsistent" if you just use this rubric as your baseline, I'm sure you'll be correct.

I disagree, it all balance out in the end. If a team averages 24 PPG or better they are a pretty good offensive team. If they average 19 they suck. I expect some good games and some clunkers, and an average around 21 PPG.

 

[emoney_33]

I disagree, it all balance out in the end. If a team averages 24 PPG or better they are a pretty good offensive team. If they average 19 they suck. I expect some good games and some clunkers, and an average around 21 PPG.

It all "balance out in the end" but you use ONE game to prove your case? OK

 

[cstjohn17]

It all "balance out in the end" but you use ONE game to prove your case? OK

Good point, I should have left the first game out of the mix but I was bored.

 

[vinceanity]

i think the Titans would be a better example than the Ravens.

 

[brdmaverick]

to the original poster - I see where you are going with this thread, so I won't be one of those "absolutely not, are you on crack?" guys

However, where the two teams differ greatly is in wide receiving corp. There is former "pro bowl" quarterback who is younger than probably 25% of the current starting quarterbacks in the NFL yet still finds himself a free agent. Who? None other than Daunte Culpepper, who made a living off chucking the ball up to Randy Moss. It is amazing how great Randy can make a quarterback look. Baltimore doesn't have any playermakers on their offense anywhere close to Randy's playmaking abilities. Come to think of it, they don't have anyone on Wes Welker's level either.

 

[Disco Volante]

Given that every NFL offense in history has been "inconsistent" if you just use this rubric as your baseline, I'm sure you'll be correct.

A consistent offense.

Drive 1: TD
Drive 2: TD
Drive 3: TD
Drive 4: TD
Drive 5: FG
Drive 6: TD
Drive 7: TD
Drive 8: FG
Drive 9: TD
Drive 10: TD