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My guess is Cassel is going to have a great year and bring us to the AFC championship game and maybe even beyond, maybe he’ll win the superbowl and their will be a QB controversy next year (obviously if Cassel went 19-0 brady would still be our QB just trying to prove a point)
 
I watched the NFL Replay of Jesters @ Fish - 12 rec to TE by Penny, his WR are "limited", but he made do nicely with that squishy Jest's middle. Watson at practice today could be very big news...I expect Cassel's first play to be play action and a toss to either Welker or Thomas in the middle.

More than likely!

Right from the get-go, I fully expect to see the Jets stacking 7 or 8 in the box, baldly daring Cassel to throw it and beat them that way.

Once things calm down, however, I expect the Jets to revert to form, and we'll see a physical game the remainder of the way, not that that will help the Jets much.

But another on-field donnybrook could happen. It is in New Jersey, after all!

I figure by the end of the day, the Pats have a an easy time of it, 24-3.
 
Do you guys remember the Colts game in 2001 which was Brady's first start? They won 44-13, and came out in 5 wide. Although they reined it back in after that first drive, I would not be surprised to see them again come out with multiple WR sets. The Jets have to be thinking run first with Cassell at the helm so maybe the Pats will come out throwing. We'll see.
 
He's bound to. Most QBs take three years to fully get the grasp of the starting QB position.

Any QB who comes into the league and begins his starting career screws up. It happened to Tom Brady, it happened to Peyton Manning. He will throw interceptions (likely to throw at least one this Sunday), and he will make bad decisions. He will overly rely on Randy Moss and miss out on open receivers (hell, even Brady did that on occasion). He will hold onto the ball to long. He will fumble the ball. All of this WILL happen, and it WILL happen more than we're used to. That is for CERTAIN.

This will be part of the process. I have faith in Cassel, I really do. But I hope everyone here understand this will be a process with (hopefully) many ups, but there will certainly be a fair share of downs as well. There are a fair amount of bandwagon fans here that only understand success. Having a HOF QB starting our games every week is a priviledge and it is incredibly unusual.

I have faith in BB and his ability to coach and protect his own teams weaknesses. We are no longer the best team in the league and I hope everyone understand this: we are likely NOT going to win the superbowl this year. It certainly could happen, but our chances are considerably low.

Cassel will screw up a lot this year and I hope everyone understands that. My only hope is that it will happen rarely enough where we can win more games than we lose.

Before anyone here harps on me, I DO think we will make the playoffs this year. And from there, it's one game at a time. This is more a test of BB than anyone this year.
he might be like rivers, flip the switch once he's named the starter, and not make alot of mistakes his first year starting
 
Do you guys remember the Colts game in 2001 which was Brady's first start? They won 44-13, and came out in 5 wide. Although they reined it back in after that first drive, I would not be surprised to see them again come out with multiple WR sets. The Jets have to be thinking run first with Cassell at the helm so maybe the Pats will come out throwing. We'll see.
i think you're seriously onto something

everyone keeps saying oh well they'll be more of a running team now

so going balls out from cassell's first start then toning it down, might really catch alot of teams off guard
 
I'm not worried at all about the mistakes he will make. The kid is highly intelligent so I think his mistakes will be below average for a starting QB. Some QB's like Favre still make many mistakes because their brain is less than optimal ... not because they suck.

All I am worried about is can he make all the throws? If he can throw the sideline routes and some of the longer routes I won't be worried at all ... the team will pick up the Brady loss in other areas in all 3 phases of the game.:D
 
Brady didn't throw and interception until his 6th game in 2001. How can we compare Cassel to Brady and Manning? yikes

I do agree he will screw up at some point. I mean it's a long season. I dont think he will key in on Moss like Brady has. Brady was going for the record last year, there was no doubt about that. Cassel just wants to win games. Hopefully he can execute.
 
he might be like rivers, flip the switch once he's named the starter, and not make alot of mistakes his first year starting
:rofl:

Good one.

We can always count on you to lighten the mood.
 
Brady didn't throw and interception until his 6th game in 2001. How can we compare Cassel to Brady and Manning?
How? By telling the whole story. Brady didn't throw a TD pass until his fourth game. Cassel threw one his first. (I include the game that Cassel stepped into for this stat because you included the game that Brady stepped into.)

This just shows how stupid these comparisons are.

Comparing Brady/Cassel is pointless, but you shouldn't have to cherry-pick stats to make Brady look good.

(Brady tossed 4 picks in the 6th game)
 
AndyJohnson,

The basic point of the thread is that people should not expect anything too high for Matt, and from the looks of this board, people expect him to be above average. (Or, more accurately, peoples STANDARD of average is distorted because of Brady)

I am merely pointing out that people should EXPECT significantly more "screw-ups" than Brady (and I'm not saying its his fault, I clearly point out that this is to be expected of any new QB).

Frankly, I can see him losing a string of games and performing poorly and everyone on this board screaming for his head. I don't think you can deny that.

I agree with all your points you make, especially how the 'standard of average is distorted because of TB'. But why keep the title of this thread so negative as if MC is doomed to screw up?? :mad:
 
More than likely!

Right from the get-go, I fully expect to see the Jets stacking 7 or 8 in the box, baldly daring Cassel to throw it and beat them that way.

.

I mentioned this in some other thread: I hope BB/JM/MC go for the no-huddle offense on their first drive and put the Jets on the backfoot right from the beginning and force them to revise their plans.

BTW: Mr. Mangini should be knowing enough of BB that if the pundits out there predict that MC should just hand the ball over to the RBs, BB might do just the opposite.

Since the Pats have such a potent offense even without TB, BB/JM are similar to a new player at the poker table with a reputation of being a crazy and unpredictable player. Jesters have no choice but to be patient and see what the Pats come up with. Trying to force the Pats to be one-dimensional might prove very costly...
 
Cassel may struggle,sure. But how many backup QBs have a Randy Moss in the backfield? A solid running game? O-line? Defense etc?

I think Matt is going to be ok and I'm going to give him about a 3 to 5 game span to prove himself. I hope he does well. Not only for the short term and team success but also for team value later on. However, if he does well I believe he will be lost to free agency. I think his contract is up in June of 09. No compensation there.
 
I mentioned this in some other thread: I hope BB/JM/MC go for the no-huddle offense on their first drive and put the Jets on the backfoot right from the beginning and force them to revise their plans.

BTW: Mr. Mangini should be knowing enough of BB that if the pundits out there predict that MC should just hand the ball over to the RBs, BB might do just the opposite.

Since the Pats have such a potent offense even without TB, BB/JM are similar to a new player at the poker table with a reputation of being a crazy and unpredictable player. Jesters have no choice but to be patient and see what the Pats come up with. Trying to force the Pats to be one-dimensional might prove very costly...

I agree do not see that they will deviate from what works, they may initially employ the dink and dunk offense.. that will open up the field as the game progresses.. BB and staff are not fools and will put the Pats in a position to win, not loose. I do not see this team as a grind it out team..
 
I support Matt Cassel and I think we can do big things under him.
 
He can't throw an interception if he's handing off the ball. I expect him to be doing exactly that this Sunday, a lot.

i expect the exact opposite
 
He can't throw an interception if he's handing off the ball. I expect him to be doing exactly that this Sunday, a lot.

he could fumble it though
 
There have been quarterbacks in the past who have managed to lead their teams to great success their first year starting. Most importantly, one said QB has done as much for a Bill Belichick-coached team, with two fewer years of experience, no less.

Let's wait to judge until we have something to judge.
 
How? By telling the whole story. Brady didn't throw a TD pass until his fourth game. Cassel threw one his first. (I include the game that Cassel stepped into for this stat because you included the game that Brady stepped into.)

This just shows how stupid these comparisons are.

Comparing Brady/Cassel is pointless, but you shouldn't have to cherry-pick stats to make Brady look good.

(Brady tossed 4 picks in the 6th game)

Why? Because you already know Cassel can't be as good?

Why is it pointless to compare two very, very similar situations?

As you say, Cassel has already shown more than Brady had when initially given the opportunity.
 
He's bound to. Most QBs take three years to fully get the grasp of the starting QB position
Lets examine just this point alone. I assume you mean three full years STARTING since Cassel is in his 4th year in the NFL in general.

So lets look at the starters around the NFL:
NYJ...Brett Favre....His FIRST year as a starter he had a QB rating of 85.3, right around the same as his career rating. He was selected to the Pro Bowl his first year as a starter. This does NOT fit your three-year theory.

Buffalo....Trent Edwards is only in his second year. Decent rookie year and good first game this year. But we'll have to wait to see if this fits your theory.

Miami...Chad Pennington...His first year as a starter the threw 22 TDs to 6 INTs, had a 104.2 QB rating and led the Jets to a division title. This does NOT fit your three-year theory.

Baltimore....Joe Flacco is in his first year. We'll have to wait and see.

Pittsburgh...Ben Roethlisberger in his rookie year led the Steelers to the AFCCG, was voted to the Pro Bowl and WON the Super Bowl in his second season. This does NOT fit your three year theory.

Cleveland...Derek Anderson in his first year as a starter took Cleveland to a 10-6 record (they were 4-12 the year before)....He was selected to and played in the Pro Bowl. This does NOT fit your three year theory.

Cincinnati...Carson Palmer....Had a solid first year as a starter and took Cincinnati to the playoffs with an 11-5 record in his second year as a starter. He was voted to the Pro Bowl that year. This does NOT fit your three-year theory.

San Diego....Phillip Rivers in his first year as a starter led San Diego to a 14-2 record and was selected to the Pro Bowl. This does NOT fit you three-year theory.

Denver....Jay Cutler....Now in his second year as a starter. His first year he was the NFL's 12th ranked passer and off to a good start in his second year. We'll have to see how he does this year to see if it fits your theory.

Kansas City....Brodie Croyle....is in his first year as a starter. We'll have to see.

Oakland....DeMarcus Russell..ditto

Indianapolis....Peyton Manning....Really played great the second half of his rookie year and took Indy to the Playoffs and himself to the Pro Bowl his second year. This does NOT fit your theory

Jacksonville.....David Garrard....took Jax to the playoffs, throwing only 3 INTs his first year as a starter. This does NOT fit your theory.

Houston....Matt Schaub...in his second year as as starter but was good last year when healthy. We'll have to see.

Tennessee....Vince Young...did take Tennessee to the playoffs his first year as a starter though he has been mediocre. Time will tell on this one.

NYG....Eli Manning....His first year as a full time starter was average with a 75.9 QB rating. His second and third years were about the same. I see no advance or decline in his performance. He did get hot in the playoffs and win the SB in his third year as a starter. Doesn't really fit your theory as his performance has been stagnant.

Philly....In Donovan McNabb's first full season as a starter he finished second in the MVP voting and took Philly to the playoffs. He made the Pro Bowl. This does NOT fit your three year theory.

Washington....Jason Campbell...now in his second year as a full-time starter. We'll have to see.

Dallas...Tony Romo...In his first two years as a starter he took Dallas to the playoffs and made the Pro Bowl both years. This does NOT fit your three year theory.

Green Bay....Aaron Rogers....now in his first year as a starter. We'll have to see.

Minnesota...Tavaris Jackson...now in his second year as a starter...we'll have to see.

Chicago...Kyle Orton....now in his second year as a starter...but did start 15 games as a rookie and Chicago went 11-5 and to the playoffs. We'll have to see.

Detroit...Jon Kitna....His first year as a starter in Seattle he won the AFC West and took them to the playoffs. This does NOT fit your three year theory.

Tampa Bay....Jeff Garcia...threw for over 4,000 yards and made the Pro Bowl his first year as a starter with San Francisco. This does NOT fit your theory.

St. Louis...Marc Bulger....threw for 3,800 yards and 22 TDs his first year as a starter and made the Pro Bowl following his second year as a starter (and was MVP of that game). This does NOT fit your three year theory.

New Orleans...Drew Brees...was so-so his first two years as a starter, great his third year. It didn't take three years, it took two (he was great the third). But I'll marginally give you this one.

Carolina....his first year as a starter led Carolina to a 12-4 record and the Super Bowl. He had a 113.6 QB rating in that game. This does NOT fit your three year theory.

Seattle....Matt Hasselbeck...improve from 70.9 to 87.8 in QB rating from his first year to his second year as a starter and has stayed right around that rating since. Can't really give you this one.

Arizona...Kurt Warner....well, we all know this won. Won the Super Bowl and NFL MVP his first year as a starter. This does NOT fit your theory.

San Francisco...J.T. O'Sullivan...in his first year as a starter. We'll have to see.


So, lets see. Maybe one guy fits your theory of 3 years to develop. Within the list there are Pro Bowl appearances, Super Bowl wins and appearances, division wins and overall good performance. You said "most" QBs take three years as a starter to develop. Did you just throw that out there because its completely bogus? Did you spend even ten seconds considering if your theory was right before writing a whole thread and somewhat lengthy post dedicated to a theory that is completely wrong and not supported by facts? Seriously?

And lets not forget one guy I didn't put on the list.....Tom Brady....who like several others won the division, Super Bowl and was selected to the Pro Bowl in his first year as a starter. Yet another example that does NOT fit your three year theory.

J D Sal
 
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He's bound to. Most QBs take three years to fully get the grasp of the starting QB position.

Any QB who comes into the league and begins his starting career screws up. It happened to Tom Brady, it happened to Peyton Manning. He will throw interceptions (likely to throw at least one this Sunday), and he will make bad decisions. He will overly rely on Randy Moss and miss out on open receivers (hell, even Brady did that on occasion). He will hold onto the ball to long. He will fumble the ball. All of this WILL happen, and it WILL happen more than we're used to. That is for CERTAIN.

This will be part of the process. I have faith in Cassel, I really do. But I hope everyone here understand this will be a process with (hopefully) many ups, but there will certainly be a fair share of downs as well. There are a fair amount of bandwagon fans here that only understand success. Having a HOF QB starting our games every week is a priviledge and it is incredibly unusual.

I have faith in BB and his ability to coach and protect his own teams weaknesses. We are no longer the best team in the league and I hope everyone understand this: we are likely NOT going to win the superbowl this year. It certainly could happen, but our chances are considerably low.

Cassel will screw up a lot this year and I hope everyone understands that. My only hope is that it will happen rarely enough where we can win more games than we lose.

Before anyone here harps on me, I DO think we will make the playoffs this year. And from there, it's one game at a time. This is more a test of BB than anyone this year.

I give you big points for knowing A Lot is 2 words. :rocker: :eat1::woohoo:
 
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