New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard - PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:25:10 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/images/misc/rss.jpg New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard - PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard Moss responds to Revis http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295096-moss-responds-revis.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:15:49 GMT Latest News and Rumors | ProFootballTalk.com

"My biggest thing is, when you talk like that, you better back it up. So, we'll see. We'll see what goes down."

Moss sounds pissed off! ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum slash83 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295096-moss-responds-revis.html <![CDATA[Who subscribes to the Mike Felger theory that Branch >> Moss??]]> http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295090-who-subscribes-mike-felger-theory-branch-moss.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:35:52 GMT I've been listening to Felger/Massoriti at work and Felger is hellbent on pushing this theory that Deion Branch was a tougher receiver to shutdown than Randy Moss, and that Moss can't perform in big games and against physical receivers. He is also suggesting that the offense was better with Deion Branch as the #1 WR, stats be dammed. His rationale is that all you need to shutdown Moss is jam him at the line, and that the whole "safety help" argument is irrelevant because all good receivers, including Branch, always face safety help and still produce.

There are many holes in his reasoning, beginning with the simple fact that Randy Moss wouldn't have 142 career TDs, second all time, if he was easy to shutdown. Furthermore, since coming to NE, he is statistically several times more productive than Branch was on his best years, so if being shutdown is equated to performance, Branch was an easier guy to shutdown. Lastly, the offense as a whole has been arguably the best offense in football with Brady and Moss, and to suggest they had a better offense in 2004 simply because they won the SB is akin to Yankee fans who, up until this year, thought the offense and team were better with Scott Brosius.

Now, when I heard his reasoning I found it irrational and almost an unwillingness on his part to embrace Moss, he hated the trade from the beginning and was predicting Moss would pull a TO. But the reason why I'm starting this thread is because he has actually been getting support by callers and hasn't been challenged on any of his assumptions ragarding Branch/Moss, so it made me wonder what percentage of the Pats fan base actually suscribes to this theory. This is a typical zero sum game argument when determining championship teams, i.e. 2004 offense was better because they won the SB, even though the difference in those championship runs was ALWAYS the defense's ability to get key stops, something that hasn't been the case since 2005. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum Xzibit23 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295090-who-subscribes-mike-felger-theory-branch-moss.html PD - Worry Wart, All Access, Buffet Table http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295079-pd-worry-wart-all-access-buffet-table.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:17:26 GMT Another busy one:

Worry Wart – Game Ten vs. Jets

Patriots All Access – Patriots-Jets Edition

Patriots Buffet Table – Jets at Patriots

Thanks! ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum PatriotsDaily.com http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295079-pd-worry-wart-all-access-buffet-table.html Darrelle Revis is a jerk to Reiss http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295067-darrelle-revis-jerk-reiss.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:19:47 GMT I don't know if anyone caught this, I heard it on 98.5 yesterday as Felger awarded Revis with his "d-bag of the week" award. I don't know if its on the net anywhere yet.

On the media con-call, Reiss asked Revis a question about playing man coverage with safety help over-the-top, and asked if thats a coverage they would play. Revis responded with "do you know football?". When Reiss responded effectively saying "I don't know much about coverages, I was hoping you could tell me", Revis continued to respond with "do you know about football, do you know about coverages?" He never answered the question, and the tone of his voice was defensive & childish. Gasper stepped in and helped out former colleague by trying to re-phrase the question in a way that wouldn't flip out the over-sensitive Revis.

It was pretty embarrassing for Revis, big kudos to Mike Reiss for keeping his cool & being polite the entire way through while dealing with that immature punk. Not sure I could've done it.

All the more reason to hope Revis gets burnt on Sunday. The guy's ego is out of control. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum BradyManny http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295067-darrelle-revis-jerk-reiss.html Bill Simmons Article on 4th and 2 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295060-bill-simmons-article-4th-2-a.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:04:29 GMT I think it actually (surprisingly since I've given up on Simmons since he's become LA'fied) sums up how I feel about this pretty well, not to mention every big Pats loss since 2004. It goes into how this was essentially a 2-pt conversion, just how unlikely Manning would have scored had we punted, and how even the numbers don't really justify the call.

Bill Simmons breaks down Belichick's 4th and 2 and makes his week 11 NFL picks - ESPN



This isn't related to the article, since I think the Patriots should have punted, but after a few days now I can actually live with going for it IF Belichick were consistent and had run on 3rd down, called a 4th down play with Brady under center, and if that failed just let his D lay down so Brady could try to get a FG with 1:20 left. The blown timeouts will never be forgiven. Since none of these things actually happened, I can't agree with how everything went down. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum maverick4 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295060-bill-simmons-article-4th-2-a.html Pontiac Silverdome sells for $583,000 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295057-pontiac-silverdome-sells-583-000-a.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:43:12 GMT Silverdome sale price disappoints | detnews.com | The Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/article/20091117/METRO/911170327/1411/METRO02/Silverdome-sale-price-disappoints) ---Quote--- Mike Martindale / The Detroit News Pontiac -- Nearly 35 years after taxpayers spent $55.7 million building... Silverdome sale price disappoints | detnews.com | The Detroit News

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Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Pontiac -- Nearly 35 years after taxpayers spent $55.7 million building the Pontiac Silverdome and a year after a $20 million sale fell through, city officials have sold the arena once called the most desirable property in Oakland County.

The price: $583,000.

"This was a giveaway," said David J. Leitch, a broker with an Auburn Hills based realty firm.
]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum Holy Diver http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295057-pontiac-silverdome-sells-583-000-a.html Globe: What the Dolphins win means http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295048-globe-what-dolphins-win-means.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:20:19 GMT What the Dolphins win means - Extra Points - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2009/11/what_the_dolphi.html) What the Dolphins win means - Extra Points - Boston.com ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum SVN http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295048-globe-what-dolphins-win-means.html Green, Banta Cain return http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295045-green-banta-cain-return.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:12:47 GMT Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/) Good for pass rush. Also Morris is practicing. Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis - Boston.com

Good for pass rush. Also Morris is practicing. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum Mack Herron http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295045-green-banta-cain-return.html <![CDATA[Mayock says Vollmer's perfomance was overhyped]]> http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295044-mayock-says-vollmers-perfomance-overhyped.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:51:53 GMT YouTube - Sebastian Vollmer had help on Freeney 36 out of 44 passing attempts


Yeah, I don't know. Mayock claims to have charted every Pats passing attempt. Kind of lame if you ask me. I'm sure Collinsworth would beg to differ......:rolleyes: ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum Afterlifemobile-86 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295044-mayock-says-vollmers-perfomance-overhyped.html Anyone Going To Miami? http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295029-anyone-going-miami.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:18:33 GMT Some of you have probably seen the New Orleans thread and now we're looking for Pats fans going to Miami.

Do you already have tailgate plans? Are you cool with letting other Pats fans join in?

Don't have any plans but looking for others to meet up with?

Been going for years and have some tips for Pats fans?

Please post any of that here and join Patriots Tailgate as well.
PatsTG : Patriots Tailgate ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum SoCal Bong http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295029-anyone-going-miami.html <![CDATA[This Week's Out-Takes: Eric Mangini, Cleveland-based Temp]]> http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295025-weeks-out-takes-eric-mangini-cleveland-based-temp.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:50:53 GMT Friday Out-Takes: Eric Mangini, Cleveland-based temp

Thanks, Ian. Cheer up, pats fans. The jets are on their way! ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum patsox23 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295025-weeks-out-takes-eric-mangini-cleveland-based-temp.html ESPN: Patriots should find Jets revenge http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295023-espn-patriots-should-find-jets-revenge.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:28:44 GMT I watched this video a bunch of times, but I can't remember a darn thing that was said... :confused:

Video: Patriots should find Jets revenge - AFC East Blog - ESPN

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Jenny Dell of "Countdown Daily" shares the AccuScore report for Sunday's rematch between the New York Jets and New England Patriots in Gillette Stadium. In 10,000 simulations, the Patriots win 80 percent of the time by an average of 13 points.
10,000 simulations? Why? HOW? ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum JSn http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295023-espn-patriots-should-find-jets-revenge.html Adam Schefter on WEEI regarding the 4th and 2 call http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295009-adam-schefter-weei-regarding-4th-2-call.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:02:03 GMT "right call, bad spot".

The best thing was how those two blow holes D&C didnt challenge him at all after he said that. They spent all week long bashing BB and anyone who agreed with BB even a little bit, but all of a sudden they get all quiet when a person who has much more credability and knowledge on football then they do disagree with them. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum stevedogc http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295009-adam-schefter-weei-regarding-4th-2-call.html <![CDATA[Sunday's crowd...]]> http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295008-sundays-crowd.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:01:44 GMT I hope your all bringing your "outdoor voices" typically a bit louder anyway since it's the Jests, and the wine and cheese crowd may be diminished since it is a 4:15 start in November.......but moreso to support BB and Pats players!! ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum kmac14 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295008-sundays-crowd.html Did Brady call out the defense with this quote? http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295007-did-brady-call-out-defense-quote.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:50:10 GMT Tom Brady Unintentionally Calls Out Entire Patriots Defense - Word Around Here - NESN.com (http://www.nesn.com/2009/11/tom-brady-unintentionally-calls-out-patriots-defense.html) Read down in the article,you will see Bradys quote. Not like Brady to throw his defense under the bus,even if he is... Tom Brady Unintentionally Calls Out Entire Patriots Defense - Word Around Here - NESN.com Read down in the article,you will see Bradys quote.
Not like Brady to throw his defense under the bus,even if he is sticking up for Belichick. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum swheeler23 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295007-did-brady-call-out-defense-quote.html