New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard This is a New England Patriots Message Board and Fan Forum. en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:40:44 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/images/misc/rss.jpg New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard New Walter Football 3 round mock http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/13/295098-new-walter-football-3-round-mock.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:29:41 GMT WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Mock Draft (http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php) I know some will be very happy with that..... WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Mock Draft

I know some will be very happy with that..... ]]> Patriots Draft Talk BritPat http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/13/295098-new-walter-football-3-round-mock.html Moss responds to Revis http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295096-moss-responds-revis.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:15:49 GMT Latest News and Rumors | ProFootballTalk.com

"My biggest thing is, when you talk like that, you better back it up. So, we'll see. We'll see what goes down."

Moss sounds pissed off! ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum slash83 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295096-moss-responds-revis.html Climategate: greatest scientific scandal of our day? http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/12/295095-climategate-greatest-scientific-scandal-our-day.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:01:46 GMT If these hacked e mails turn out to be legitimate it is going to be pretty bad for a while for the proponents of man made global warming. I am going to wait for more details to come out before jumping to any conclusions of my own but right now it does not look good. I do have to say that if the... If these hacked e mails turn out to be legitimate it is going to be pretty bad for a while for the proponents of man made global warming. I am going to wait for more details to come out before jumping to any conclusions of my own but right now it does not look good.

I do have to say that if the hacked e mails are false usually the people with their names attached come right out and say 'those are completely fake' like when the made up Rush Limbaugh quotes came out last month. But in this case all we are hearing is a lot of 'no comments' from the people who have their names attached to these e mails. Silence speaks a thousand words.

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’? – Telegraph Blogs

When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:

Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more. ]]> Political Discussion Wolfpack http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/12/295095-climategate-greatest-scientific-scandal-our-day.html <![CDATA[Who subscribes to the Mike Felger theory that Branch >> Moss??]]> http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295090-who-subscribes-mike-felger-theory-branch-moss.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:35:52 GMT I've been listening to Felger/Massoriti at work and Felger is hellbent on pushing this theory that Deion Branch was a tougher receiver to shutdown than Randy Moss, and that Moss can't perform in big games and against physical receivers. He is also suggesting that the offense was better with Deion Branch as the #1 WR, stats be dammed. His rationale is that all you need to shutdown Moss is jam him at the line, and that the whole "safety help" argument is irrelevant because all good receivers, including Branch, always face safety help and still produce.

There are many holes in his reasoning, beginning with the simple fact that Randy Moss wouldn't have 142 career TDs, second all time, if he was easy to shutdown. Furthermore, since coming to NE, he is statistically several times more productive than Branch was on his best years, so if being shutdown is equated to performance, Branch was an easier guy to shutdown. Lastly, the offense as a whole has been arguably the best offense in football with Brady and Moss, and to suggest they had a better offense in 2004 simply because they won the SB is akin to Yankee fans who, up until this year, thought the offense and team were better with Scott Brosius.

Now, when I heard his reasoning I found it irrational and almost an unwillingness on his part to embrace Moss, he hated the trade from the beginning and was predicting Moss would pull a TO. But the reason why I'm starting this thread is because he has actually been getting support by callers and hasn't been challenged on any of his assumptions ragarding Branch/Moss, so it made me wonder what percentage of the Pats fan base actually suscribes to this theory. This is a typical zero sum game argument when determining championship teams, i.e. 2004 offense was better because they won the SB, even though the difference in those championship runs was ALWAYS the defense's ability to get key stops, something that hasn't been the case since 2005. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum Xzibit23 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295090-who-subscribes-mike-felger-theory-branch-moss.html PD - Worry Wart, All Access, Buffet Table http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295079-pd-worry-wart-all-access-buffet-table.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:17:26 GMT Another busy one:

Worry Wart – Game Ten vs. Jets

Patriots All Access – Patriots-Jets Edition

Patriots Buffet Table – Jets at Patriots

Thanks! ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum PatriotsDaily.com http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295079-pd-worry-wart-all-access-buffet-table.html Darrelle Revis is a jerk to Reiss http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295067-darrelle-revis-jerk-reiss.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:19:47 GMT I don't know if anyone caught this, I heard it on 98.5 yesterday as Felger awarded Revis with his "d-bag of the week" award. I don't know if its on the net anywhere yet.

On the media con-call, Reiss asked Revis a question about playing man coverage with safety help over-the-top, and asked if thats a coverage they would play. Revis responded with "do you know football?". When Reiss responded effectively saying "I don't know much about coverages, I was hoping you could tell me", Revis continued to respond with "do you know about football, do you know about coverages?" He never answered the question, and the tone of his voice was defensive & childish. Gasper stepped in and helped out former colleague by trying to re-phrase the question in a way that wouldn't flip out the over-sensitive Revis.

It was pretty embarrassing for Revis, big kudos to Mike Reiss for keeping his cool & being polite the entire way through while dealing with that immature punk. Not sure I could've done it.

All the more reason to hope Revis gets burnt on Sunday. The guy's ego is out of control. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum BradyManny http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295067-darrelle-revis-jerk-reiss.html Famous Daughters... Cheney http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/12/295061-famous-daughters-cheney.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:16:26 GMT Log Cabin Republicans are jumping up and down..Mary Cheney has had her second child... good for her and having the courage to be involved in a committed lesbian relationship that brings wanted children into the world.. Mary Cheney, Partner Welcome Second Child :: EDGE Boston... Log Cabin Republicans are jumping up and down..Mary Cheney has had her second child... good for her and having the courage to be involved in a committed lesbian relationship that brings wanted children into the world..

Mary Cheney, Partner Welcome Second Child :: EDGE Boston

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Mary Cheney and her partner Heather Poe welcomed their second child, daughter Sarah Lynne Cheney, on Nov. 18. Cheney and Poe and their children, including firstborn child Samuel, are one of the nation’s highest profile same-sex families due to Cheney being the daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney’s pregnancy became publicly known in October; Sarah Lynne is the seventh grandchild of Dick and Lynne Cheney
. ]]> Political Discussion DarrylS http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/12/295061-famous-daughters-cheney.html Bill Simmons Article on 4th and 2 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295060-bill-simmons-article-4th-2-a.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:04:29 GMT I think it actually (surprisingly since I've given up on Simmons since he's become LA'fied) sums up how I feel about this pretty well, not to mention every big Pats loss since 2004. It goes into how this was essentially a 2-pt conversion, just how unlikely Manning would have scored had we punted, and how even the numbers don't really justify the call.

Bill Simmons breaks down Belichick's 4th and 2 and makes his week 11 NFL picks - ESPN



This isn't related to the article, since I think the Patriots should have punted, but after a few days now I can actually live with going for it IF Belichick were consistent and had run on 3rd down, called a 4th down play with Brady under center, and if that failed just let his D lay down so Brady could try to get a FG with 1:20 left. The blown timeouts will never be forgiven. Since none of these things actually happened, I can't agree with how everything went down. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum maverick4 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295060-bill-simmons-article-4th-2-a.html <![CDATA[Holder's REasonable Decision...]]> http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/12/295058-holders-reasonable-decision.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:46:50 GMT Interesting story from the WAPO authored by Jim Comey, a deputy attorney general and U.S. attorney in Manhattan during the Bush administration, is general counsel of Lockheed Martin Corp. Jack Goldsmith, an assistant attorney general during the Bush administration, teaches at Harvard Law School and... Interesting story from the WAPO authored by Jim Comey, a deputy attorney general and U.S. attorney in Manhattan during the Bush administration, is general counsel of Lockheed Martin Corp. Jack Goldsmith, an assistant attorney general during the Bush administration, teaches at Harvard Law School and is on the Hoover Institution's Task Force on National Security and Law.

Puts this into perspective..

washingtonpost.com

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A trial in Manhattan will bring enormous media attention and require unprecedented security. But it is unlikely to make New York a bigger target than it has been since February 1993, when Mohammed's nephew Ramzi Yousef attacked the World Trade Center. If al-Qaeda could carry out another attack in New York, it would -- a fact true a week ago and for a long time. Its inability to do so is a testament to our military, intelligence and law enforcement responses since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

In deciding to use federal court, the attorney general probably considered the record of the military commission system that was established in November 2001. This system secured three convictions in eight years. The only person who had a full commission trial, Osama bin Laden's driver, received five additional months in prison, resulting in a sentence that was shorter than he probably would have received from a federal judge.
]]> Political Discussion DarrylS http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/12/295058-holders-reasonable-decision.html Pontiac Silverdome sells for $583,000 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295057-pontiac-silverdome-sells-583-000-a.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:43:12 GMT Silverdome sale price disappoints | detnews.com | The Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/article/20091117/METRO/911170327/1411/METRO02/Silverdome-sale-price-disappoints) ---Quote--- Mike Martindale / The Detroit News Pontiac -- Nearly 35 years after taxpayers spent $55.7 million building... Silverdome sale price disappoints | detnews.com | The Detroit News

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Mike Martindale / The Detroit News
Pontiac -- Nearly 35 years after taxpayers spent $55.7 million building the Pontiac Silverdome and a year after a $20 million sale fell through, city officials have sold the arena once called the most desirable property in Oakland County.

The price: $583,000.

"This was a giveaway," said David J. Leitch, a broker with an Auburn Hills based realty firm.
]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum Holy Diver http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295057-pontiac-silverdome-sells-583-000-a.html Globe: What the Dolphins win means http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295048-globe-what-dolphins-win-means.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:20:19 GMT What the Dolphins win means - Extra Points - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2009/11/what_the_dolphi.html) What the Dolphins win means - Extra Points - Boston.com ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum SVN http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295048-globe-what-dolphins-win-means.html Green, Banta Cain return http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295045-green-banta-cain-return.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:12:47 GMT Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/) Good for pass rush. Also Morris is practicing. Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis - Boston.com

Good for pass rush. Also Morris is practicing. ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum Mack Herron http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295045-green-banta-cain-return.html <![CDATA[Mayock says Vollmer's perfomance was overhyped]]> http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295044-mayock-says-vollmers-perfomance-overhyped.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:51:53 GMT YouTube - Sebastian Vollmer had help on Freeney 36 out of 44 passing attempts


Yeah, I don't know. Mayock claims to have charted every Pats passing attempt. Kind of lame if you ask me. I'm sure Collinsworth would beg to differ......:rolleyes: ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum Afterlifemobile-86 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295044-mayock-says-vollmers-perfomance-overhyped.html Anyone Going To Miami? http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295029-anyone-going-miami.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:18:33 GMT Some of you have probably seen the New Orleans thread and now we're looking for Pats fans going to Miami.

Do you already have tailgate plans? Are you cool with letting other Pats fans join in?

Don't have any plans but looking for others to meet up with?

Been going for years and have some tips for Pats fans?

Please post any of that here and join Patriots Tailgate as well.
PatsTG : Patriots Tailgate ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum SoCal Bong http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295029-anyone-going-miami.html <![CDATA[This Week's Out-Takes: Eric Mangini, Cleveland-based Temp]]> http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295025-weeks-out-takes-eric-mangini-cleveland-based-temp.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:50:53 GMT Friday Out-Takes: Eric Mangini, Cleveland-based temp

Thanks, Ian. Cheer up, pats fans. The jets are on their way! ]]> PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum patsox23 http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/295025-weeks-out-takes-eric-mangini-cleveland-based-temp.html