Why Obama can not win....

[FreeTedWilliams]

He has totally alienated a core Democrat constituancy the Jewish Americans.

Here is an article from a dying breed, a Democrat, I actually like and respect. Ed Koch

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/oba.../24/82658.html

Before we discuss his grandmother, let’s examine the impact of Rev. Wright’s statements on the senator’s two daughters. Nothing says it better than a song from the musical “South Pacific,” to wit, “You have to be taught to hate and fear…You’ve got to be carefully taught.” Few dispute that Rev. Wright’s sermons are filled with hate. Why didn’t Obama stand up in the church and denounce his hateful statements or, at the very least, argue privately with his minister? It was horrifying to see on a video now viewed across America the congregation rise from the pews to applaud their minister’s rants.


Obama was asked if he thought his speech changed any minds. He replied he didn’t think so, and certainly not of those who weren’t already for him. A more important question is, whether his 20-year relationship with Wright has done lasting damage to his candidacy.

We will soon know

[maverick4]

Why are Jewish Americans so important to getting elected?
Someone try to answer this, and try to duck the thousand 'anti-semite' insults hurled your way while attempting this.

[patsfan13]

Originally Posted by maverick4

Why are Jewish Americans so important to getting elected?
Someone try to answer this, and try to duck the thousand 'anti-semite' insults hurled your way while attempting this.

In Fl the Jewish vote is critical. Dem traditionally get ~80=90% of the Jewish vote. If the Jewish vote were to swing to McCain due to the percieved Anti Semitic rants of Rev Wright and the association with Farrakhan, it could cost the dems any chance of winning FL. This makes it tougher for a dem to be leected.

Although the Jewish vote is big in NY I don't see any way a pubbie could win in NY.

[Fogbuster]

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It is not the number of Jewish voters that matters. Just ask anybody in Congress. The lobbyists in Washington speak far louder than any other "constituency" of voters. Lobbying is a BIG, BIG business in Washington. Used to be just Dupont Circle, but now it's practically half the town of Washington that has offices and offices for the sole purpose of swinging votes, producing bills for laws, and so forth.

So, the "Jewish vote" is important because on a per capita basis, Jews have far more lobbying clout than just about any other group. Hollywood, the media, education, business -- you name it, there are Jewish people owning or running the tops of so many enterprises. How many owners of professional sports franchises are Jewish??

What was that figure on percentage of Jewish voters again? Whatever it was, it has very little meaning. When you own the store it doesn't really matter what the workers believe or even want, as long as they have a job they go with the flow.


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[Fogbuster]

Originally Posted by patsfan13

Although the Jewish vote is big in NY I don't see any way a pubbie could win in NY.

They said that about Reagan in 1980. He won NY, and Connecticut, another state given up on by many.


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[Patters]

Obama will do fine among Jews. Just read an article the other day by the Rabbi at the synagogue across from Obama's house. The guy obviously like Obama a lot; Haaretz, a major Israeli newspaper, ran an article I posted here about Obama's pro-Israel stands; Obama himself has said he wouldn't be where he was without the tremendous support from the Jewish community. Obama will do as well as Kerry or Gore among Jews. As far as Wright's comments go, Obama has and will continue to distance himself from them, just as McCain as distanced himself from the anti-Catholic comments of Hagee. The right will continue to play the race card, but the more they do, the more Latinos and blacks will line up behind Obama, and there will alway be a large number of whites who don't buy the right-wing distortions.

[otis p. driftwood]

Originally Posted by Patters

Obama will do fine among Jews. Just read an article the other day by the Rabbi at the synagogue across from Obama's house. The guy obviously like Obama a lot; Haaretz, a major Israeli newspaper, ran an article I posted here about Obama's pro-Israel stands; Obama himself has said he wouldn't be where he was without the tremendous support from the Jewish community. Obama will do as well as Kerry or Gore among Jews. As far as Wright's comments go, Obama has and will continue to distance himself from them, just as McCain as distanced himself from the anti-Catholic comments of Hagee. The right will continue to play the race card, but the more they do, the more Latinos and blacks will line up behind Obama, and there will alway be a large number of whites who don't buy the right-wing distortions.

Patters, that wasn't an "article" you posted, it was one persons opinion blog. Haaretz itself has had some negative things to say. I just couldn't pull them up that day, as I already told you.
Obama has some other trouble coming though--he's allied himself with pro-Palestinian anti-jew groups consistently. Back when he was in Chicago running for Congress he had to distance himself, but now they've come forward to say how he distanced himself. I'll get the cites for that later.

But really--you shouldn't post stuff like this when it's obvious you're posting from your heart and not the facts.
And that last line? Offensive as hell. You just called me a racist. Again. And I don't fu(king like it one damn bit.

[Patters]

Originally Posted by a.paul

Patters, that wasn't an "article" you posted, it was one persons opinion blog. Haaretz itself has had some negative things to say. I just couldn't pull them up that day, as I already told you.
Obama has some other trouble coming though--he's allied himself with pro-Palestinian anti-jew groups consistently. Back when he was in Chicago running for Congress he had to distance himself, but now they've come forward to say how he distanced himself. I'll get the cites for that later.

But really--you shouldn't post stuff like this when it's obvious you're posting from your heart and not the facts.
And that last line? Offensive as hell. You just called me a racist. Again. And I don't fu(king like it one damn bit.

The right is playing the race card, and has often played it. If you think that means I think you are a racist, that's fine. Maybe you are one; I really don't know you. I certainly know the right is not monolithic, but it's political machine is playing and has always played the card. From the Willie Horton ad to the double standard used against black preachers v. white ones to Reagan's racist campaign (and I can give many examples) that was embraced by the right to the right's acceptance of Apartheid to the right's double standard for crack v. cocaine, there's plenty of evidence of racism on the right. Now, they're trying to pit Jews against blacks, based on what Obama's preacher says. Should we judge all politicians by who they associate with? Should we judge McCain by those who were with him in Vietnam and now say he's a traitor? I think you have to parse things fairly finely to suit your political objectives, and I'm sure you will.

[otis p. driftwood]

Originally Posted by Patters

The right is playing the race card, and has often played it. If you think that means I think you are a racist, then maybe you are one. I really don't know you. I certainly know the right is not monolithic, but it's political machine is playing and has always played the card. From the Willie Horton ad to the double standard used against black preachers v. white ones to Reagan's racist campaign (and I can give many examples) that was embraced by the right to the right's acceptance of Apartheid to the right's double standard for crack v. cocaine, there's plenty of evidence of racism on the right. Now, they're trying to pit Jews against blacks, based on what Obama's preacher says. Should we judge all politicians by who they associate with? Should we judge McCain by those who were with him in Vietnam and now say he's a traitor? I think you have to parse things fairly finely to suit your political objectives, and I'm sure you will.

There you go again. Who came up with Willie Horton? Seriously...answer the question.

I'm judging Obama by his own words, and by him calling a crazy man his "uncle" and spiritual adviser.

You're the one trying to pit "jews against blacks", when you continually draw attention to it. You've proven you cannot view Obama without seeing a black man, and you act accordingly.

[wistahpatsfan]

Originally Posted by FreeTedWilliams

He has totally alienated a core Democrat constituancy the Jewish Americans.

Here is an article from a dying breed, a Democrat, I actually like and respect. Ed Koch

Ed Koch? A democrat? Sorta like Leiberman is a Democrat...in name only.