Adopt a player

[cstjohn17]

That time of year, pick a player.

Make your case, describe:

• Height, Weight, Estimated 40 time, School
• Where there is value in drafting the player (example between picks 3-7 or picks 40- 50, etc.)
• Fit in Patriots system
• Other reasons why the Patriots would consider the player (future cap hits, position need, lack of depth)
• Are the expected to start, backup, play special teams
• Career potential - starter, quality backup, pro bowl, etc.
• Player he reminds you off (e.g. young Willie Mac)

[Remix 6]

Originally Posted by cstjohn17

That time of year, pick a player.

Make your case, describe:

• Height, Weight, Estimated 40 time, School
• Where there is value in drafting the player (example between picks 3-7 or picks 40- 50, etc.)
• Fit in Patriots system
• Other reasons why the Patriots would consider the player (future cap hits, position need, lack of depth)
• Are the expected to start, backup, play special teams
• Career potential - starter, quality backup, pro bowl, etc.
• Player he reminds you off (e.g. young Willie Mac)

Vernon Gholston
6"4 260lbs 4.6 seconds Ohio State University
Top 15
Outside linebacker in the 3-4 and 4-3 DE. Hes fast, very strong and gets to the QB.
We need to start getting younger and his combo of speed/strength/size will be very valued in this draft. Colvin is an FA, Vrabel is getting older. Get some young blood

Expected to start year 1 if Colvin is gone
Potential: Pro Bowler multi times
Reminds me of: DeMarcus Ware. He wasnt the fastest but he ran a great time for a man his size and he was 1 of the strongest players @ the combine. They will play same spots in a 3-4 and have experience dropping back to add to their pass rushing and run stopping.

[cstjohn17]

Originally Posted by Remix 6

Vernon Gholston
6"4 260lbs 4.6 seconds Ohio State University
Top 15
Outside linebacker in the 3-4 and 4-3 DE. Hes fast, very strong and gets to the QB.
We need to start getting younger and his combo of speed/strength/size will be very valued in this draft. Colvin is an FA, Vrabel is getting older. Get some young blood

Expected to start year 1 if Colvin is gone
Potential: Pro Bowler multi times
Reminds me of: DeMarcus Ware. He wasnt the fastest but he ran a great time for a man his size and he was 1 of the strongest players @ the combine. They will play same spots in a 3-4 and have experience dropping back to add to their pass rushing and run stopping.

Well done! I was going to take Gholston, no fair, I had to run to the post office to get some last minute cards in the mail.

Nice job, in my dream scenario the Patriots sign Dansby and draft Gholston. This would give them a dominant front seven taking some pressure off the secondary which is likely to get a lot younger in 2008.

Look at this front seven
RDE - Seymour, Green
NT - Wilfork, Wright (assumed he is retained)
LDE - Warren, Smith, Thomas

OLB - Colvin, Woods
ILB - Dansby, Alexander
ILB - Thomas, << draft pick - young and fast>>, Lua
OLB - Vrabel, Gholston

Secondary (a lot of new faces)
RCB - Hobbs, Willie Andrews (my sleeper pick)
SS - Harrison, Mitchell (re-signed)
FS - Sanders, Merriweather
LCB - Day 1 draft pick, Richardson, Veteran FA maybe Chad Scott

[sebman2112]

Originally Posted by Remix 6

Vernon Gholston
6"4 260lbs 4.6 seconds Ohio State University
Top 15
Outside linebacker in the 3-4 and 4-3 DE. Hes fast, very strong and gets to the QB.
We need to start getting younger and his combo of speed/strength/size will be very valued in this draft. Colvin is an FA, Vrabel is getting older. Get some young blood

Expected to start year 1 if Colvin is gone
Potential: Pro Bowler multi times
Reminds me of: DeMarcus Ware. He wasnt the fastest but he ran a great time for a man his size and he was 1 of the strongest players @ the combine. They will play same spots in a 3-4 and have experience dropping back to add to their pass rushing and run stopping.

Colvin's under contract for 2008. He's only gone if NE can't rework, or extend his contract, which I expect they'll be able to.

I'd take Quentin Groves in a trade down, instead of Gholston (with a top 5 pick), who's thick, raw, and seems more like a 4-3 DE. Maybe if NE could trade down and still pickup Gholston I'd do it, but I don't think he'll be a year one starter in NE's system, as I think he's somewhat raw, and lacks polish. I'll tell you for sure after the combine though.

[Crazyeechrispats1]

Karlos Dansby is a pipe dream Arizona will not let him go anywhere either by resigning him or slapping him with the tag.

My dream draft scenario and if goodell would of never snatched our draft pick is drafting James lauranitis then trading back up in the draft using one or both of our third round picks to snatch gholston in the late first or early second.

Our best bet is that he runs a unusually slow 40 time from injury or some type of let down cause this kid can play and i'm sure our scouts will know that.
Also I haven't completely let go of the idea of welcoming Lance Briggs into the fold.
He said he doesn't wanna play in a 3-4 supposedly but our defense is much more diverse then that.

[cstjohn17]

Originally Posted by Crazyeechrispats1

Karlos Dansby is a pipe dream Arizona will not let him go anywhere either by resigning him or slapping him with the tag.

Also I haven't completely let go of the idea of welcoming Lance Briggs into the fold.

I said Dansby was in my 'dream' scenario, adding Dansby and Gholston would be insane. As far as Briggs, it is interesting he dissed the 3-4 but apparently was willing to sign with SF, SF runs a 3-4, money talks... I don't see any realistic possibility that any top end defensive player is signed (Samuel, Suggs, Dansby, Briggs, etc.). A sleeper is Tommy Kelly from the Raiders, I know we are deep at D Line but he fits the 3-4 and BB likes him.

In response to Sebs, Gholston is about the same size as Vrabel, a little shorter but a lot faster. The OLB in the Pats scheme mostly jam TEs and cover the flat, Gholston seems athetic enough to do that. If the comparisons to Ware, Merriman are even close then he is worth a serious look. As far as Groves, he will break your heart, he looks big, strong and will have a killer 40 time but he is a dog, no interest in playing the run and once he gets paid will be nothing but disappointment. Maybe I am wrong but he is very high on my DOG meter.

[Crazyeechrispats1]

Well John it could happen I could see BB being extremely aggressive if Bruschi, Seau retire .
Also and if Colvin leaves due to a failure to restructure cause we all believe he will be asked to do so.
I could see BB using draft picks to land a linebacker or two that he feels is fluent or can be taught how to operate his system.
It's very slim but we could still be looking at Jason Taylor or how sweet would it be if we could land both Taylor and Thomas.
One guy I see who will more than likely be available and believe he has a little something left in the tank is Keith Brooking.
Atlanta is going into that youth movement and may just cut him out right for a chance to land on a team as a favor to him.
This is exactly the kind of guy that New England usually scores big with, savy veteran who people say has nothing left signs with New England to be a part of what we've done in the past 7 years.
As far as db's I can't see BB resigning Assante to a kings ransom.
He's been a top 5 corner the last 2 seasons But I remember when he was battling injuries jumping to many routes the guy was a 4th round pick who was coached incredibly well by BB and co to become the player that he is.
He has soft hands yes but his speed won't wow anybody doesn't win jump ball battles and sometimes whiffs on tackles for going for the highlight shot instead of a good solid wrap up.
Anybody been scouting any nickel or dime backs that will hit free agency that could have a impact with increase in playing time and or better coaching.

[cstjohn17]

I adopt James Laurinaitis

I didn't want to take him because it is too obvious but he needs a good home.

James Laurinaitis, The Ohio State University
6'3, 245 , 4.60 40
Top 12 - LBs are usually over hyped and under valued in the draft process
Fit - based on his athleticism and pedigree I would expect him to compete for the starting position next to Thomas at ILB, unless a top tier vet is signed he would be competing for work in a rotation with a (yet to be named) mid-tier vet
- will struggle fighting off blocks at the pro level, will have to use his speed and instincts to make plays, may end up playing 2nd and 3rd and all passing downs in year 1 until he gains more bulk and technique
- will immediately improve pass coverage and overall speed of the defense, the Patriots rely on their DEs and OLBs to funnel plays make to the ILBs, improved speed on the inside should improve the overall defense
Why - obvious weakness of team with strong likelihood that both ILBs retire, Laurinaitis is a leader and has great college experience from a top program and is a rare LB that may be physical enough and smart enough to play ILB for the Patriots
Career potential - Solid Starter or better, outside shot of probowls
Reminds you of - A taller faster AJ Hawk, AJ appears to be a little more stout but JL is more fluid and perhaps a better overall athlete

[cstjohn17]

Originally Posted by Crazyeechrispats1

It's very slim but we could still be looking at Jason Taylor or how sweet would it be if we could land both Taylor and Thomas.
One guy I see who will more than likely be available and believe he has a little something left in the tank is Keith Brooking.
Atlanta is going into that youth movement and may just cut him out right for a chance to land on a team as a favor to him.
.

Taylor would be sweet but unless he is cut by Miami I don't see it happening. Brookings is very interesting, if he is cut he may be a possibility although he has very little experience in the 3-4. We will all be keeping our eye on the LB position when FA starts, I suspect that we will be under whelmed by the players the Patriots sign but by the end of the year a solid player should emerge (please no more Beisel).

As far as Samuel, he has been my binkie for quite a while, and I am not letting go now. After the 2005 season I thought they should have locked him up, he was coming off a so-so year and could have been signed cheap. His 2006 season was one of the all time best seasons for CB, 10 picks plus 2 picks for TDs in the playoffs. He has improved this year (as with every year) he has become even more of a leader in the secondary. In some cases he seems to be playing down to the QB he faces (Boller, Pennington) and tries for the big pick but.... if it came down to it, I would spend money on a young (26) pro-bowl CB with proven track record and a detailed understanding of the system before I would spend money on a LB. That said I think he has out played his value to the Patriots, he will leave and do very well for another team (and get paid very well), from the Pats perspective the received unreal value from a 4th round pick.

[SeanBruschi54]

Originally Posted by cstjohn17

I adopt James Laurinaitis

I didn't want to take him because it is too obvious but he needs a good home.

James Laurinaitis, The Ohio State University
6'3, 245 , 4.60 40
Top 12 - LBs are usually over hyped and under valued in the draft process
Fit - based on his athleticism and pedigree I would expect him to compete for the starting position next to Thomas at ILB, unless a top tier vet is signed he would be competing for work in a rotation with a (yet to be named) mid-tier vet
- will struggle fighting off blocks at the pro level, will have to use his speed and instincts to make plays, may end up playing 2nd and 3rd and all passing downs in year 1 until he gains more bulk and technique
- will immediately improve pass coverage and overall speed of the defense, the Patriots rely on their DEs and OLBs to funnel plays make to the ILBs, improved speed on the inside should improve the overall defense
Why - obvious weakness of team with strong likelihood that both ILBs retire, Laurinaitis is a leader and has great college experience from a top program and is a rare LB that may be physical enough and smart enough to play ILB for the Patriots
Career potential - Solid Starter or better, outside shot of probowls
Reminds you of - A taller faster AJ Hawk, AJ appears to be a little more stout but JL is more fluid and perhaps a better overall athlete

First of all im pissed i didnt get to get him .

Second hes a lesser version of AJ Hawk. Not a better version.