If you were Scott Pioli, what's the minimum you'd take?

[ctpatsfan77]

To trade out of the #2 spot with . . .

A team around #5 or #6?

Houston (who looks to be around #10-#15)?

Dallas (who has two late firsts)?

[ayjackson]

Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77

To trade out of the #2 spot with . . .

A team around #5 or #6?

Houston (who looks to be around #10-#15)?

Dallas (who has two late firsts)?

If I was trading down, but staying in the top 15, I'd take anything - I'd even give up a fourth. It won't have to happen, but in the end Player @ #2 < Player @ #12 plus $7.5m in cap space.

[Mikman]

It will be hard to find a team willing to trade up and take the big cap hit of a top-5 pick, even if the Pats offer their pick at a bargain price.



I wonder if Houston is willing to trade up and sending multiple picks to the Pats, they already traded away this year's second rounder in the Schaub deal. So IF they trade up, they almost certainly will offer a 2009 pick and this year's first rounder. Off course, McFadden to the Texans makes of lot of sense because it would give them a chance to be a true competitor in the AFC South.

Maybe the Cardinals are a suitable trading partner. I know, they already have invested a lot of money in James to improve their running game, but he hasn't done much for their running game and he will be in the last year of his contract next season. So they can have a James/McFadden combo in 2008, then letting James walk in free agency and clear up a lot of cap space. Arizona will build through the draft with Whisenhunt, and they want to upgrade their running game. That would give them a great offense for many years. Imagine Leinart/McFadden/Boldin/Fitgerald. Plenty of talent and youth.
They might offer a package including a franchise-tagged Dansby. Dansby is a perfect fit for BB's defense, because he already has some seasons under his belt and Arizona sometimes lines up in a 3-4 defense, so it won't take too much time and effort for him to adapt to the Pat's defense.

[FreeTedWilliams]

Depending on how high the pick is, what you are going to want to look for is teams that need a QB.

Atlanta needs a QB, and logic would say that they will take Pitrino's old QB Brohm. and they have Houston's 2nd round pick, so they could be a trading partner if the Pats pick falls @5.


The following teams need a starting QB:

Atlanta
Baltimore
Carolina
Kansas City
Chicago
Detroit

And their are three top ten QB picks out there with

Matt Ryan
Brain Brohm
Andre Woodson

I personally have little to no faith in Woodson ability to be a quality NFL QB, but all the "experts" have him as a top ten pick. I think Ryan is going to be a helluva NFL QB. What the Pats can hope for is a bidding war between two or three of these clubs. It looks like Atlanta is going to have a top five pick and can most likely stay put and take Brohm.

That would leave
Baltimore
Carolina
Kansas City
Chicago
Detroit

all fighting to get ahead of each other for Ryan/Woodson.

[patchick]

If they don't think anybody at #2 is worth the giant contract, there is no minimum -- the #6 pick would simply be better.

[Ochmed Jones]

Atlanta might be willing to deal with us if it means getting Brohm. They have picks and CB Hall, who needs to relocate after losing his cool earlier this year.

[VJCPatriot]

Originally Posted by Ochmed Jones

Atlanta might be willing to deal with us if it means getting Brohm. They have picks and CB Hall, who needs to relocate after losing his cool earlier this year.

This is probably the first reasonable speculation I've seen on this thread.

The Pats are NOT going to go in firesale mode if they land the #2 overall pick in the draft.
They will look to maximize the value of that pick to improve their team.
If nobody gives a good enough offer, they can simply select whoever they feel is the #2 overall player in the draft, whether that by McFadden, Long, or whoever else.

Trading the #2 pick to Atlanta for a package of their #1 (likely in the 5-6 range) and Hall would fill the need of replacing Asante with another CB, while still allowing the Pats to select an excellent player at the 5 or 6 spot.

Originally Posted by patchick

If they don't think anybody at #2 is worth the giant contract, there is no minimum -- the #6 pick would simply be better.

I disagree with that statement for the reasons mentioned above. Trading down from #2 to the #6 pick for a 7th round pick would NOT be getting fair value out of the pick.
The Patriots are a savvy organization, they will not allow themselves to be ripped off in trades, as much as that may surprise some posters here.

[everlong]

Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77

To trade out of the #2 spot with . . .

A team around #5 or #6?

Houston (who looks to be around #10-#15)?

Dallas (who has two late firsts)?

5 or 6 this year's first and second.

10-15 this year's first and second and next year's first.

Dallas is looking at 20-25 for Cleveland and 30 or 31 for their pick. Those two picks plus a second, those two picks plus next year's first, those two picks plus Marion Barber.

I cannot see Dallas doing any of those deals nor can I see a team in the 10-15 doing them either. And these are just the minimums.

[dryheat44]

Originally Posted by everlong

5 or 6 this year's first and second.

10-15 this year's first and second and next year's first.

Dallas is looking at 20-25 for Cleveland and 30 or 31 for their pick. Those two picks plus a second, those two picks plus next year's first, those two picks plus Marion Barber.

I cannot see Dallas doing any of those deals nor can I see a team in the 10-15 doing them either. And these are just the minimums.

Nope. Any trade is (I think) going to be for this year's second and next years first with a team that expects to rebound/improve big next year. For example, Detroit might decide that K Jones is too unreliable, or Baltimore might decide that it's ready for another shot at a franchise QB (although I don't think Brohm or Ryan are going to go top 5). Such a team would be gambling that their #1 in 2008 is going to be towards the end of the round. So the Pats might end up with something like the #14 pick and a first rounder next year, and maybe a Day two pick or two.

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

I disagree with that statement for the reasons mentioned above. Trading down from #2 to the #6 pick for a 7th round pick would NOT be getting fair value out of the pick.
The Patriots are a savvy organization, they will not allow themselves to be ripped off in trades, as much as that may surprise some posters here.

I agree with you on that point, but let me ask this: does the cap savings factor in at all, in your opinion? I think it does, but not as the paramount concern.