Facts Don't Matter...

[patsfan13]

so say leading leftist bloggers at a public forum, remarkable candor. Not surprisingly these folks regularly talk with the dem leadership and are courted by dem presidential candidates.

http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php...wthread/25826/

The members of the panel included on the Right - John Hinderaker (Powerline), Dean Barnett (contributor to TownHall.com, Weekly Standard, & National Review), Henry Copeland (Pressflex, Blogads), and on the Left, Jeralyn Merritt (TalkLeft), Joe Sudbay (AMERICAblog), and Jerome Armstrong (MyDD)
Even though the audience for the “Right vs Left: Who’s Winning” session was lightly attended, the members in the audience included some of the most notable political players in the “Blogosphere”, including representatives from Red State and contributors to Pajamas Media. Perhaps the most outspoken audience figure was Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, founder of Daily KOS, who assumed a bit of a role as frequent “admonisher of the moderator” and additional spokesperson for the left.

First to respond, Jeralyn Merritt stated, in unequivocal terms “Facts Don’t Matter!” The questioner from the audience interjected, “What? Facts don’t matter?” Merritt responded again, “That’s right. Facts Don’t Matter. We want our troops home. Until they are home, the war was just a mistake.”

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Not only did the other two panelists from the Left (Sudbay and Armstrong) repeat the phrase in agreement, “No, the facts don’t matter”, but Daily KOS founder Markos Zuniga (from the floor) weighed in by repeating the phrase loudly, to the surprise of a few of us in the room. “No. The Facts Don’t Matter.”

From their own voice "FACTS DON"T MATTER" Given that orientation why believe anything these folks say? IF facts don't matter then one can reasonably infer these leftist will lie to forward their agenda and feel justified in doing so, Lenin must be proud of his children.

[Fogbuster]

Originally Posted by patsfan13

so say leading leftist bloggers at a public forum, remarkable candor. Not surprisingly these folks regularly talk with the dem leadership and are courted by dem presidential candidates.

http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php...wthread/25826/

From their own voice "FACTS DON"T MATTER" Given that orientation why believe anything these folks say? IF facts don't matter then one can reasonably infer these leftist will lie to forward their agenda and feel justified in doing so, Lenin must be proud of his children.

The surrenderists of today are the children of the 60s anti-Vietnam war protesters. These children have become the new generation of head-in-the-sand escapists who do nothing but complain that the government should be providing them with free drugs and condoms instead of actually defending a nation of families from an invading mob of fear and hate-stoked anti-American radicals. From Russia and the other states absorbed by the Soviet to China, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, Angola, Grenada, and for as long as the list is, the results are always the same: people are treated as less than animals because the operative ideology does not recognize a Creator or a Divine purpose. The atrocities that have followed are "justified" according to this one original common point: no God=no human value; the law of the jungle is "the supreme ruler", might makes right.

I'm reading "The Light and the Glory", by a couple of Boston men, Peter Marshall and David Manuel. Good historical record from Columbus to Washington. Excellent theme comparing God-based society vs. Material-based society. Very apt.


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[patsfan13]

Originally Posted by NEM

I perused through some of the responses on that forum. When I got to this one, I shook my head, and went no further.



Do you actually call that page a believable source. Please, don't make me laugh.

I don't see the people at Daily KOS repudiating the quotes made in this public forum. These remarks are recorded and part of the public record. Youcan deny all you want. They said what they said.

Didn't bother with the responses to the blog I was struck by the willingness of the elading leftist bloggers to admit they don't care about facts. This should give pause to thiose who quote these same bloggers, don't you think NEM?

[Fogbuster]

Hm-m-m-m....


Raw emotion (hatred of war) OR Considered Reason (make an environment for a new kind of culture to be born)??? Which one should I choose...?? Hm-m-m-m...

Hm-m-m-m....

[PressCoverage]

Originally Posted by Fogbuster

Hm-m-m-m....


Raw emotion (hatred of war) OR Considered Reason (make an environment for a new kind of culture to be born)??? Which one should I choose...?? Hm-m-m-m...

Hm-m-m-m....

how bout just find an island somewhere... we'll send you your flock...

[Harry Boy]

Bush The Moron Beat Them Twice

[PressCoverage]

Originally Posted by Fogbuster

The surrenderists of today are the children of the 60s anti-Vietnam war protesters. //

ok, i'm gonna call you on that once and for all.... ok Talking Point Priest?

how would we be "surrendering", exactly, by leaving the middle east to its own devices? who will be accepting our formal surrender? will it be conducted in an old rail car on the french countryside?

if you don't have a rational, tangible answer for that question, or if you ignore it altogether like you usually do a direct challenge, i suppose we can chalk it up to more lunatic talk... and you can consider shutting up about it for once in your life...

[Harry Boy]

Originally Posted by PressCoverage

ok, i'm gonna call you on that once and for all.... ok Talking Point Priest?

how would we be "surrendering", exactly, by leaving the middle east to its own devices? who will be accepting our formal surrender? will it be conducted in an old rail car on the french countryside?

if you don't have a rational, tangible answer for that question, or if you ignore it altogether like you usually do a direct challenge, i suppose we can chalk it up to more lunatic talk... and you can consider shutting up about it for once in your life...

Which Clinton

[Fogbuster]

Originally Posted by PressCoverage

ok, i'm gonna call you on that once and for all.... ok Talking Point Priest?

how would we be "surrendering", exactly, by leaving the middle east to its own devices? who will be accepting our formal surrender? will it be conducted in an old rail car on the french countryside?

if you don't have a rational, tangible answer for that question, or if you ignore it altogether like you usually do a direct challenge, i suppose we can chalk it up to more lunatic talk... and you can consider shutting up about it for once in your life...

Your manner of "asking questions" (or "calling out" someone) is the biggest reason you are so often ignored. Dealing with uncouth punks who talk tough and smack it up on the internet is a huge waste of time, although God knows, many have tried.

Furthermore, to try to explain it to you now, after having been over this umpteen times would appear to be a fool's errand. If it still has to be explained to you now, you probably still won't get it.

But I will make it as simple as possible; miracles can happen: if you look at Iraq now, if you look at the state of world-wide terrorist attacks now, if you look at the situation of almost zero terror attacks in Israel as compared to regular suicide bombings there just five years ago, if you see the slow but steady and sure failing of the insurgent attempts to take over Iraq today, you will see why *surrendering* now would be about the WORST possible choice of any that could be imagined.

So, come back with your usual weird slant, your usual personal attack, your usual arrogant put-down smack talk. It won't change a thing. It is what it is, and everybody knows it. The "surge" is working, and we'll be out of Iraq a LOT sooner, while leaving behind an independent democratic Iraq behind, something that has never existed there in all of its history.

Those are the facts. You may not like them, but that's surely your problem, not anyone else's.

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[PressCoverage]

Originally Posted by Fogbuster

Your manner of "asking questions" (or "calling out" someone) is the biggest reason you are so often ignored. Dealing with uncouth punks who talk tough and smack it up on the internet is a huge waste of time, although God knows, many have tried.

Furthermore, to try to explain it to you now, after having been over this umpteen times would appear to be a fool's errand. If it still has to be explained to you now, you probably still won't get it.

But I will make it as simple as possible; miracles can happen: if you look at Iraq now, if you look at the state of world-wide terrorist attacks now, if you look at the situation of almost zero terror attacks in Israel as compared to regular suicide bombings there just five years ago, if you see the slow but steady and sure failing of the insurgent attempts to take over Iraq today, you will see why *surrendering* now would be about the WORST possible choice of any that could be imagined.

So, come back with your usual weird slant, your usual personal attack, your usual arrogant put-down smack talk. It won't change a thing. It is what it is, and everybody knows it. The "surge" is working, and we'll be out of Iraq a LOT sooner, while leaving behind an independent democratic Iraq behind, something that has never existed there in all of its history.

Those are the facts. You may not like them, but that's surely your problem, not anyone else's.

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i knew you'd ignore the question... the word "surrender" doesn't apply at all... you'd be respected more if you used language based in reality... such as "withdrawal".... unfortunately, "surrender" is just an emotional word people like you inject into your argument for effect and shame...

the rest of your pap is typical deflection to wacko ideology...

anyhow, as for being ignored, you've offered the utmost in irony... you, thick Fog, are closing the gap on Harry for the record on 0-for-threads... people here, and on any blog i participate, pay plenty of attention to what i have to say, contrary to what you wish to pretend... what is telling, however, is when my most loathed opponents are issued a direct and specific challenge regarding an issue, they then consistently punt to a different slant, or disappear altogether after rambling about me for a dozen posts... because when you get to the meat of any issue, a Bush Leaguer can never give a straight, direct answer.... and you're a classic example...

what's funniest, however, is when you offer some inane babble of OPINION, and then close your curious post with "Those are facts"... lol....