Official Pats/Redskins Discussion

[Keegs]

Well i figured that i would get the ball rolling today so we can start talking about this game. :)

I'm tired of reading online about how there is going to be an upset and how the Skins "came to play" and all these other obnoxious Cliche's

I want to see us come out with 5 wide and the no huddle. I don't think their Defense will be any more impressive than Dallas' defense.

I expect a bloodbath.

does anyone know if Maroney is starting?

[MrBigglesWorth]

I expect 3 wide with Faulk or Maroney in the backfield with Kyle Brady playing a large role.

I don't see the Skins getting any pass rush and would you blitz brady?

Welker is gonna have a big game.

[Keegs]

Yeah it stinks that Watson hasn't practiced all week and probably won't play. He would really help tear these guys up.
But we don't need him to win.

I don't know what to expect... i wouldn't be surprised if we came out running or with the no huddle and 5 wide, i just don't know.

I bet they will try to blitz brady and soon after they'll realize how ineffective it is.

[MrBigglesWorth]

I expect two deep safeties all day for the skins and I actually think it will be opposite. i think they'll drop 7 in coverage and will only blitz when desperation comes.

[Keegs]

I expect two deep safeties all day for the skins and I actually think it will be opposite. i think they'll drop 7 in coverage and will only blitz when desperation comes.

then they'll get eaten alive.
I look forward to listening to this. Too bad i can't watch it.
that sucks.

either way we should have no problem with this team.. if they blitz brady will pick them apart and throw the ball to welker over and over.

I guess i could see them blitzing a lot and trying to double welker to limit the quick option, which might be effective for 1/2 a quarter.

I don't think they'll find a long term solution to stop this offense... they need a lot of luck.

[SVN]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/10/welcome_to_gill_27.html

October 28, 2007
Welcome to Gillette
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff

FOXBOROUGH -- Welcome to Gillette Stadium, where the Patriots host the Redskins today (4:15 p.m.).

It's a beautiful New England day, with temperatures in the mid-50s and clear skies. The temperature is expected to rise slightly by kickoff. In terms of conditions that could affect today's game, there are considerable wind gusts, so that will be something to watch.

Larry Nemmers, who will retire after the season, is the referee for today's game.

The Boston Pops will perform today's national anthem.

With a win today, QB Tom Brady will have defeated every NFL team as a starting quarterback in the regular season. He has faced the Redskins just once during the regular season in his career, losing a 20-17 decision at FedEx Field on Sept. 28, 2003.

We'll have more throughout the day.

Posted By: mreiss | Time: 12:26:00 PM

[Keegs]

I'm starting Chris Cooley and Clinton Portis on my fantasy team.

Probably a mistake, but my whole team sucks anyways so i have to play them.

Thank god someone drafted Brees Before me and i had to settle for Tommy.:)

[Keegs]

so does anyone know if Seymour will play?

I know he's active but have any of you heard anything?:confused:

[MrBigglesWorth]

then they'll get eaten alive.
I look forward to listening to this. Too bad i can't watch it.
that sucks.

either way we should have no problem with this team.. if they blitz brady will pick them apart and throw the ball to welker over and over.

I guess i could see them blitzing a lot and trying to double welker to limit the quick option, which might be effective for 1/2 a quarter.

I don't think they'll find a long term solution to stop this offense... they need a lot of luck.

they will get eaten alive but they'd probably much rather have the pats earn their points on 8-10 play drives than 60 yard bombs.

the longer the drive the increased chance of a turnover.

[363839]

It would suck if the we had to face that secondary with receivers who
are only pretty good.:D

[TommyD4207]

[Karma-free zone]
It's going to be something along the lines of 42-3 or 45-7. The "vaunted" Redskins secondary (which is as overrated as, well, Dallas' whole team) can't cover for 7 seconds. Their front 4 can't rush, and their linebackers are old re-treads, (Including Marcus Washington, who the Colts couldn't find use for, and London Fletcher, who is 114 years old and 5'4", I think). Also, Jason Campbell is a joke of a QB, with only 4 TDs and 5 INT in the first 7 games.

Bottom line:

- The Redskins cannot pass, save for Cooley. Thomas should handle him fine.
- The Redskins cannot run; especially since the Patriots will be stacking the line daring Jason Campbell (of the 57% completion percentage) to beat them. Redskins WRs have exactly 0 TD's this season.
- The Redskins cannot score. A fluke play here or there may net them 3 or 7.
-The Redskins cannot defend the run. I cannot stress to you just how terrible the Redskins' front 4 is. Abysmal, God-awful...I think that gives you an idea. Patriots backs will find the second level, and then just need to put a move on one of the old, re-tread RBs to get to the 3rd level (and watch the "impressive" tackling of the Redskins vaunted secondary). All day. Maroney, Faulk, Evans, Eckel, Hell, Seau could get a couple carries.
-The Redskins cannot defend the pass. Fred Smoot could be the most overrated CB this side of Terrence Newman. Remember Brady making Smoot his personal ***** in Minnesota last year? Chad Jackson's career game? Yeah. Carlos Rogers is banged up. Shawn Springs is nearly 77 years old, and his mind will be elsewhere, he's had a loss in his family recently. LaRon Landry is playing well for a Rookie.....but he's a Rookie. Sean Taylor is the NFC's answer to Polamalu and Sanders. Makes OMG BIG HITS~!, but...can't cover worth a crap. Ben Watson will have a humongous game early.

So, the Patriots can run and pass at will, stop the run and stop the pass at will. Why is this supposed to be a close game again?

Patriots 45 Washington 7 [/karma free zone]
It'll be ugly kids.

[ATippett56]

I fully expect to see Laurence Maroney with at least twenty rushes today against two deep safeties.

[Keegs]

I fully expect to see Laurence Maroney with at least twenty rushes today against two deep safeties.

well i sure as hell hope you are right.

I would love to see Maroney run wild on this team.

It would make the game easier and would make the media find something else to try and make this team look weak.... instead of saying we can't run.

[Skins72]

Man we are just not getting any respect. Dime/ Nickel packages can slow down your 3/4 receiver sets. :) But we are screwed when you line up 5 wide haha. I expect to see Fletcher backing in the zone a lot but paying attention to the run. We have great cover LBs I am pretty excited.

[Keegs]

Man we are just not getting any respect. Dime/ Nickel packages can slow down your 3/4 receiver sets. :) But we are screwed when you line up 5 wide haha. I expect to see Fletcher backing in the zone a lot but paying attention to the run. We have great cover LBs I am pretty excited.

but the thing is, it doesn't matter how many guys you drop into coverage b/c Brady will have all day to pick you apart.

It has to be really frustrating for other teams to figure out how to stop the pats , b/c i wouldn't have the slightest clue what to do if i was them.

[Skins72]

but the thing is, it doesn't matter how many guys you drop into coverage b/c Brady will have all day to pick you apart.

It has to be really frustrating for other teams to figure out how to stop the pats , b/c i wouldn't have the slightest clue what to do if i was them.

We have rarely blitzed and only sent our front for 80+% of the time, and that has yielded 16 sacks in 6 games.

[Keegs]

We have rarely blitzed and only sent our front for 80+% of the time, and that has yielded 16 sacks in 6 games.

still not worried:)

Brady got sacked 3 times against dallas and still torched them.....

[MrBigglesWorth]

We have rarely blitzed and only sent our front for 80+% of the time, and that has yielded 16 sacks in 6 games.

that's the NFC for you. overinflated stats.

[Skins72]

that's the NFC for you. overinflated stats.

Yes, but also you have to realize we have a pretty good Dline. In fact it was ranked ahead of NE's by the ESPN advanced scouts.

[Keegs]

that's the NFC for you. overinflated stats.

that's pretty damn funny.

[MrBigglesWorth]

Yes, but also you have to realize we have a pretty good Dline. In fact it was ranked ahead of NE's by the ESPN advanced scouts.

how do you explain barely beating miami in week 1?

your team jsut barely beat arizona. edge had 83 yards that game and arizona is more known for their wr's. plus theyw ere down late in the game and gad to throw.

[Skins72]

how do you explain barely beating miami in week 1?

your team jsut barely beat arizona. edge had 83 yards that game and arizona is more known for their wr's. plus theyw ere down late in the game and gad to throw.

Yea... well EDGE is 3rd in the league with 603 yards. Skins have yet to allow a 100 yard rusher, and have only allowed one pass play over 30 yards.

As for the Miami game? It was the first game of the season and we needed to work the kinks out. That is the best i have for you :) Football players are human, and make mistakes as well.

[Keegs]

Yea... well EDGE is 3rd in the league with 603 yards. Skins have yet to allow a 100 yard rusher, and have only allowed one pass play over 30 yards.

As for the Miami game? It was the first game of the season and we needed to work the kinks out. That is the best i have for you :) Football players are human, and make mistakes as well.

but pats players aren't human, they are machines.

[Skins72]

but pats players aren't human, they are machines.

Can't argue with that. But we hope to slow then down as much as possible. UPSSSEEET CITTTTYYY haha.................:rocker:

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

Yes, but also you have to realize we have a pretty good Dline. In fact it was ranked ahead of NE's by the ESPN advanced scouts.

Your DLine doesn't hold a fart off a flame compared to our Dline.

If you think so, you are discrediting anything else you have to say by displaying massive ignorance.

The only thing on your team which is clicking on all cylinders right now is your secondary.

I expect it to be a tough game, but the outcome is sort of predictable.

I think our biggest challenge will be containing Portis, and keeping the ball out of the hands of your secondary. I think (hope) any picks you get will be in the end zone, since Brady is possibly a little overconfident when throwing to Moss. At some point that may catch up to Brady, and he may need to be a little more careful winging it into the end zone from mid field, but there are worse things than throwing a pick in the end zone.

[Keegs]

I think (hope) any picks you get will be in the end zone, since Brady is possibly a little overconfident when throwing to Moss. At some point that may catch up to Brady, and he may need to be a little more careful winging it into the end zone from mid field, but there are worse things than throwing a pick in the end zone.

especially a 40 yard pick in the endzone, intended for moss, on 3rd down.

that's better than any other situation involving us throwing an interception.

[shmessy]

The real bright lights will be switched on tonight around 7:30pm when Indy week starts.

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

especially a 40 yard pick in the endzone, intended for moss, on 3rd down.

that's better than any other situation involving us throwing an interception.

It is a calculated risk.

But there have probably been five passes into the endzone this year that would have been picked off if it weren't for Moss being a total freak. Hopefully it doesn't hurt us if some of those get picked off. Clearly the pay-off has been great so far, and Brady would not try that with a lesser WR.

Might as well take your chances when you are ahead. Might want to be a little more conservative if we ever get behind in a big game, or if we want to keep the ball away from the other offense.

[Keegs]

It is a calculated risk.

But there have probably been five passes into the endzone this year that would have been picked off if it weren't for Moss being a total freak. Hopefully it doesn't hurt us if some of those get picked off. Clearly the pay-off has been great so far, and Brady would not try that with a lesser WR.

Might as well take your chances when you are ahead. Might want to be a little more conservative if we ever get behind in a big game, or if we want to keep the ball away from the other offense.

i disagree with that number. I think i only saw 2 balls that should have been picked...

I also think that we should blow everyone out of the water.

they must pay for acting like we were cheating and they never tape anything.

All these b.s. teams in the nfl pretended that it was this outrageous, unbelievable behavior when we all know damn well that they all do it.

they need to pay for that and get blown out, everyone.

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

Between the Bengals and Miami game, I have three good possiblities for a pick, off the top of my head. I can think of a couple other times that Moss caught the ball in tight coverage, but that is why he is Moss.

In a big game, we might want to play it a little more conservative from mid field.

Against most teams, who cares...just throw it in there.

[Remix 6]

20-30mph wins. how does that affect the passing games usually?

[Skins72]

Your DLine doesn't hold a fart off a flame compared to our Dline.

If you think so, you are discrediting anything else you have to say by displaying massive ignorance.

The only thing on your team which is clicking on all cylinders right now is your secondary.


Well people who get paid to scout and review players, said Washingtons Dline was better.... soo take it up with them.

[DefenseRules]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

October 28, 2007
National feel
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff
Today's game between the Patriots and Redskins is drawing a significant amount of national media attention. The interest is probably tied to the fact that the Patriots visit the Colts next Sunday, and a lot of the reports after the game will look ahead to that game as much as dissecting today's contest.

Here is a look at some of the national media outlets represented here today:


USA Today (2 reporters)

New York Times (2 reporters)

Los Angeles Times

ESPN.com

New York Daily News

NBCsports.com

Yahoo! Sports

ESPN and NBC also have TV crews here.

[patsox23]

Yes, but also you have to realize we have a pretty good Dline. In fact it was ranked ahead of NE's by the ESPN advanced scouts.

Yes, it was. That is ridiculous. It's embarrassing for ESPN. The Patriots have the best DL in the NFL. Washington isn't close.

[Remix 6]

Well people who get paid to scout and review players, said Washingtons Dline was better.... soo take it up with them.

can we get some links? i havent read those anywhere yet.

[patsox23]

can we get some links? i havent read those anywhere yet.

It's in the ESPN Insider evaluation of the game. It's F-ing stupid. Unconvinced visitors? Just watch today. You'll see.

[DefenseRules]

October 28, 2007
Scouts in house
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff
As usual, there are advance scouts from NFL teams in attendance for today's game.

The Bills, Colts, Eagles and Jets are scheduled to have scouts watching from the press box here at Gillette Stadium.

The Redskins visit the Jets next week then host the Eagles, while the Patriots travel to face the Colts next week before their off weekend.

Kick the Colts' scouts out of the stadium!! :rocker:

[Skins72]

Yes, it was. That is ridiculous. It's embarrassing for ESPN. The Patriots have the best DL in the NFL. Washington isn't close.

Geez, so am I to believe that you think you have more understanding of the line than the paid professionals?

[Remix 6]

It's in the ESPN Insider evaluation of the game. It's F-ing stupid. Unconvinced visitors? Just watch today. You'll see.

our DL hasnt played that great recently..but no way is it worse than Washington's

Seymour + Wilfork + Warren

only so many pro bowl spots..especially when all 3 get considered as "DTs"

[patsox23]

Geez, so am I to believe that you think you have more understanding of the line than the paid professionals?

I guess so. Either that or it's a typo. It's a LUDICROUS position that the Redskins DL is better than the Patriots front 3 when all three guys are PRO BOWL-level players. I'm sorry. I don't think it takes all that much expertise.

Wilfork - arguably THE best NT in football. If he's not, he's top 2-3.

Warren - the Patriots best DL last season, and having another excellent stretch this year. Consensus should've-been Pro Bowl selection over teammate Richard Seymour, who was voted in.

Seymour - coming back from injury, fresh and, generally speaking, a Hall of Fame DL under 30.

There is NO WAY - no F-ing way, in fact - that your DL is better than the Patriots'. Please counter-argue. I'd love to hear it.

[DefenseRules]

our DL hasnt played that great recently..but no way is it worse than Washington's

Seymour + Wilfork + Warren

only so many pro bowl spots..especially when all 3 get considered as "DTs"

Our Defense has been on vacation. The Offense has and the Special Teams have made their jobs easy. But it's time to get back to work. I expect to see a much better performance from our guys today.
ORDER WILL BE RESTORED!!

[Skins72]

I guess so. Either that or it's a typo. It's a LUDICROUS position that the Redskins DL is better than the Patriots front 3 when all three guys are PRO BOWL-level players. I'm sorry. I don't think it takes all that much expertise.

Wilfork - arguably THE best NT in football. If he's not, he's top 2-3.

Warren - the Patriots best DL last season, and having another excellent stretch this year. Consensus should've-been Pro Bowl selection over teammate Richard Seymour, who was voted in.

Seymour - coming back from injury, fresh and, generally speaking, a Hall of Fame DL under 30.

There is NO WAY - no F-ing way, in fact - that your DL is better than the Patriots'. Please counter-argue. I'd love to hear it.

What do you know about the Redskins DL??

[Remix 6]

What do you know about the Redskins DL??

um Griffin was an ex Giant. pretty good overall as a DT

Carter is a DE/OLB..hes fast.. was a FA bust most of last year but really stepped it up and hes playing well.

and i dont know much about Phillip Daniels

[patsox23]

Tell us all about them, skins fan. Ask ANYONE (besides the apparently braindead "scouts" over at ESPN.com) which DL they would take and 32 out of 32 teams will pick the Patriots.

I'm not just saying this out of some homeristic impulse - this is not even a QUESTION, to the point where it's embarrassing for YOU not to know. This is beyond conventional wisdom. The Patriots defensive line is ELITE and YOUNG. What on Earth are you even arguing this for?

[Skins72]

um Griffin was an ex Giant. pretty good overall as a DT

Carter is a DE/OLB..hes fast.. was a FA bust most of last year but really stepped it up and hes playing well.

and i dont know much about Phillip Daniels

Well it is hard to make an argument without knowing both sides of the story now is it? I commend your faith in your team, but one of the first things I learned in law school, is that you have to understand both sides of the story before you can make an accurate assessment.

Andre Cater- Giant physical nightmare. He has something like 3% body fat, and is just an athletic freak. In 7 seasons in the NFL he has 43 sacks 23 stuffs 18 PD and 9 forced fumbles. This year alone he already has 5 sacks 2 FF and 2 PD. He is in his prime and is truly playing to the best of his potential.

Griffin is 6'3 310 lbs of football. He has excelled at stuffing the run, and filling the gaps. He gives a lot of offensives problems with his high level of play and intensity.

Phillip Daniels is tall and muscular, and excels at batting balls down. He is very athletic, and at 6'5 provides a nice wall in front of the QB when he is able to penetrate. 4 pds this season and 44 overall. Complemented by 57 career sacks.

Anthony Montgomery/ Kedric Golston are nice wide bodies in there alternating at DT. Both in their second year, and are rare gems found late in the draft. Montgomery has emerged as the starter and receives most of the playing time. At 6'5 312 he provides adequate run stopping abilities, as well as a big presence blocking QB vision.

[Phoenix111]

Well it is hard to make an argument without knowing both sides of the story now is it? I commend your faith in your team, but one of the first things I learned in law school, is that you have to understand both sides of the story before you can make an accurate assessment.

Andre Cater- Giant physical nightmare. He has something like 3% body fat, and is just an athletic freak. In 7 seasons in the NFL he has 43 sacks 23 stuffs 18 PD and 9 forced fumbles. This year alone he already has 5 sacks 2 FF and 2 PD. He is in his prime and is truly playing to the best of his potential.

Griffin is 6'3 310 lbs of football. He has excelled at stuffing the run, and filling the gaps. He gives a lot of offensives problems with his high level of play and intensity.

Phillip Daniels is tall and muscular, and excels at batting balls down. He is very athletic, and at 6'5 provides a nice wall in front of the QB when he is able to penetrate. 4 pds this season and 44 overall. Complemented by 57 career sacks.

Anthony Montgomery/ Kedric Golston are nice wide bodies in there alternating at DT. Both in their second year, and are rare gems found late in the draft. Montgomery has emerged as the started and receives most of the playing time. At 6'5 312 he provides adequate run stopping abilities, as well as a big presence blocking QB vision.

It's like, we understand that you're trying to bring in conventional wisdom here. But this is a situation where, no disrespect intended, your knowledge of all of the teams in the league, or lack thereof, shows itself. You clearly know your team well, but most of those involved with the league would most certainly agree that the Pats d line is dominant when healthy.

It is true that the Pats play a 3-4, and the Skins play a 4-3, but when both are at their best the Pats are simply better. Seymour has only missed the Pro Bowl in one season thus far. Wilfork is viewed as a top nose tackle in the league and most of the scouts;"experts" agreed that Warren even outplayed Seymour last year. Not to mention the fact that Green comes in as a top notch pass rusher that could start on many teams.

[Remix 6]

Well it is hard to make an argument without knowing both sides of the story now is it? I commend your faith in your team, but one of the first things I learned in law school, is that you have to understand both sides of the story before you can make an accurate assessment.

Andre Cater- Giant physical nightmare. He has something like 3% body fat, and is just a athletic freak. In 7 seasons in the NFL he has 43 sacks 23 stuffs 18 PD and 9 forced fumbles. This year alone he already has 5 sacks 2 FF and 2 PD. He is in his prime and is truly playing to the best of his potential.

Griffin is 6'3 310 lbs of football. He has excelled at stuffing the run, and filling the gaps. He gives a lot of offensives problems with his high level of play and intensity.

Phillip Daniels is tall and muscular, and excels at batting balls down. He is very athletic, and at 6'5 provides a nice wall in front of the QB when he is able to penetrate. 4 pds this season and 44 overall. Complemented by 57 career sacks.

Anthony Montgomery/ Kedric Golston are nice wide bodies in there alternating at DT. Both in their second year, and are rare gems found late in the draft. Montgomery has emerged as the started and receives most of the playing time. At 6'5 312 he provides adequate run stopping abilities, as well as a big presence blocking QB vision.

oh nice. We have athletic guys. One is 6"6 310..runs well..long arms..hes nasty. Hes arguably THE BEST DL in the league. (no im not making **** up)

The man in the middle is a big fella..325ish..hes a beast..athletic for a man his size. Hes a rock in the middle

The left end is a man by Ty Warren. He played extremely well last year..teams run away from him this year so his production is a little down but when Seymour comes back and demands the "greater respect"..they wont have a choice as to where to run. Warren is another 300 pounder..also 6"5.

so all together..they weigh 935 pounds. 6"6, 6"2, 6"5

thats just 3 men. they are all very strong. Hard to move. all demand double team but we all know u cant double 3 men.

Green is a good pass rusher..decent against run


i dont think you'll find a better front when healthy. They are all run stoppers because basically..they are DTs in a 4-3 but they do get after QB. Consider that in a 3-4..the LBs blitz a lot which disguises the rush.

you heard what Kendall said when skins heard about Seymour beign activated.

[Skins72]

It's like, we understand that you're trying to bring in conventional wisdom here. But this is a situation where, no disrespect intended, your knowledge of all of the teams in the league, or lack thereof, shows itself. You clearly know your team well, but most of those involved with the league would most certainly agree that the Pats d line is dominant when healthy.

It is true that the Pats play a 3-4, and the Skins play a 4-3, but when both are at their best the Pats are simply better. Seymour has only missed the Pro Bowl in one season thus far. Wilfork is viewed as a top nose tackle in the league and most of the scouts;"experts" agreed that Warren even outplayed Seymour last year. Not to mention the fact that Green comes in as a top notch pass rusher that could start on many teams.

Maybe its just because i haven't really watched a Pats game. Their line may very well be better, I remember watching Wilfork at Miami, and being amazed. I am simply reporting what was said on an ESPNinsider page, and sharing with you the knowledge I have on our line. We are no slouches. But hey the Pats line may very well be better.

[Remix 6]

Maybe its just because i haven't really watched a Pats game. Their line may very well be better, I remember watching Wilfork at Miami, and being amazed. I am simply reporting what was said on an ESPNinsider page, and sharing with you the knowledge I have on our line. We are no slouches. But hey the Pats line may very well be better.

papers/reports/etc..a lot of BS. i think SI or someone is saying how this will be a big game of Watson..when hes OUT and hasnt practiced all week and missed last week..yet they think Watson is playing.

some sites are saying were playing tremendous D..but were not. Our tackling has stunk.

a lot of idiot writers out there.

[Skins72]

Generally I usually follow the NFC. Occasionally ill watch an AFC game, but it is more pertinent to follow the teams competing for playoff spots.

[patsox23]

Maybe its just because i haven't really watched a Pats game. Their line may very well be better, I remember watching Wilfork at Miami, and being amazed. I am simply reporting what was said on an ESPNinsider page, and sharing with you the knowledge I have on our line. We are no slouches. But hey the Pats line may very well be better.

I appreciate you trying to be cool about this, and I'm sorry if some of us (read: me) are being aggressive on this issue, but it's just not even a question - the Patriots DL is considered the STRENGTH of the defense. It is the one place where we are STACKED with #1 picks who have also PRODUCED in the NFL with consistent excellence.

Think of your safety tandem right now. That's our DL, which is why it's so puzzling that ESPN.com and you are, apparently, the only people who don't seem to recognize that. When people talk about the Pats D, they don't often underrate or ignore the big guys up front. They're elite. ALL of them.

[letekro]

Well it is hard to make an argument without knowing both sides of the story now is it? I commend your faith in your team, but one of the first things I learned in law school, is that you have to understand both sides of the story before you can make an accurate assessment.

Andre Cater- Giant physical nightmare. He has something like 3% body fat, and is just an athletic freak. In 7 seasons in the NFL he has 43 sacks 23 stuffs 18 PD and 9 forced fumbles. This year alone he already has 5 sacks 2 FF and 2 PD. He is in his prime and is truly playing to the best of his potential.

Griffin is 6'3 310 lbs of football. He has excelled at stuffing the run, and filling the gaps. He gives a lot of offensives problems with his high level of play and intensity.

Phillip Daniels is tall and muscular, and excels at batting balls down. He is very athletic, and at 6'5 provides a nice wall in front of the QB when he is able to penetrate. 4 pds this season and 44 overall. Complemented by 57 career sacks.

Anthony Montgomery/ Kedric Golston are nice wide bodies in there alternating at DT. Both in their second year, and are rare gems found late in the draft. Montgomery has emerged as the starter and receives most of the playing time. At 6'5 312 he provides adequate run stopping abilities, as well as a big presence blocking QB vision.

"One of the first things I learned in law school"....LOL! I give up, clearly it is a lost cause to go up against such a skilled and seasoned litigator...."310 pounds of football," I mean, what brilliant argument, Counselor!

[LoveDemPats]

Geez, so am I to believe that you think you have more understanding of the line than the paid professionals?

I can't even believe that you said this.

I am going to be nice here. The paid professionals are paid, not because they have shown any ability to analize football plays, teams or players. They are paid because they (supposedly) can write an article that they have been assigned to write before a deadline.

That is it man.

So, yea, he probably has a great deal more understanding simply because he loves football and is analizing because of this.

The writers are more akin to car salesmen, or whores.

Do you get all your perspective from these *paid* experts?

Yikes!

[FarScapeR]

More whore salesmen. I'd say 60-40 whores.

[LoveDemPats]

I appreciate you trying to be cool about this, and I'm sorry if some of us (read: me) are being aggressive on this issue, but it's just not even a question - the Patriots DL is considered the STRENGTH of the defense. It is the one place where we are STACKED with #1 picks who have also PRODUCED in the NFL with consistent excellence.

Think of your safety tandem right now. That's our DL, which is why it's so puzzling that ESPN.com and you are, apparently, the only people who don't seem to recognize that. When people talk about the Pats D, they don't often underrate or ignore the big guys up front. They're elite. ALL of them.

The dude, Horton thinks that teams can run between the tackles, and get to the aged linebackers of the pats and make yards.

We shall see today how correct mr horton is because the skins should attempt this if they play their brand of football.

[letekro]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/08/28/201-300/


Here's the opinion of another "Expert":

Richard Seymour - 26th best player in the league
Ty Warren - 37th best
Vince Wilfork - 104th best

Andre Carter is your highest ranked player on the DL - 258th overall

[Skins72]

"One of the first things I learned in law school"....LOL! I give up, clearly it is a lost cause to go up against such a skilled and seasoned litigator...."310 pounds of football," I mean, what brilliant argument, Counselor!

Well, I am only 35, and got a late start. While skilled, I would hardly call myself seasoned. But... thank you!

[LoveDemPats]

"One of the first things I learned in law school"....LOL! I give up, clearly it is a lost cause to go up against such a skilled and seasoned litigator...."310 pounds of football," I mean, what brilliant argument, Counselor!

I am sooo glad you called that one man.

I was like shakin in me boots. (we only have 310 pounds of table tennis)

[Skins72]

The dude, Horton thinks that teams can run between the tackles, and get to the aged linebackers of the pats and make yards.

We shall see today how correct mr horton is because the skins should attempt this if they play their brand of football.

That was posted August 28th, before the season even began. But, that is fine. I enjoy sailing under the radar.

[LoveDemPats]

More whore salesmen. I'd say 60-40 whores.

Oh yea.

But ya know, they ain't even good ones.

They are like TS's and they smell bad, and got bad teeth, and it just ain't workin for em. But hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

You are what you are. (it is what it is kinda thing.)

[Skins72]

I am sooo glad you called that one man.

I was like shakin in me boots. (we only have 310 pounds of table tennis)

It would appear that a lot of you are posting with chips on your shoulder. But if you would like me to clarify I will. He has a lot of natural talent. There is a difference between plain athleticism and athleticism mixed with football instincts. Thanks for being rude about it.

[LoveDemPats]

That was posted August 28th, before the season even began. But, that is fine. I enjoy sailing under the radar.

It was up last week man. "how to beat the pats defense" is what it was called, by basketball head horton.

[Skins72]

Posted: Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:22PM; Updated: Tuesday August 28, 2007 3:59PM I am talking about the top 500 list.

[LoveDemPats]

It would appear that a lot of you are posting with chips on your shoulder. But if you would like me to clarify I will. He has a lot of natural talent. There is a difference between plain athleticism and athleticism mixed with football instincts. Thanks for being rude about it.

Easy big guy. It sounded like you were getting all Micky Spelane on us.

"He had hands like sledgehammers, and chin that made the girls think of blocks of granite."

You just made us laugh.

[Snake]

Geez, so am I to believe that you think you have more understanding of the line than the paid professionals?Paid professionals this week were also talking up Ben Watson...might have been SI..don't remember...maybe ESPN....and Watson didn't even play last week and probably won't play this week.

Those guys are human just like the rest of us. Most Pats fans will go with the Pats DL....especially once RS starts playing again. That said, the Skins DL will be a force the Pats OL can't discount. The Pats defense against the run fell to 24th after the Miami game. Could be that DL just might be the Pats biggest Achilles heel. We'll see....it's game time!!!!

GO PATRIOTS!!

[Remix 6]

im dissapointed. Reiss says Meriweather took his warm up reps at CB and not at safety.

Cassell took his reps ahead of Matt #2 :(

[Skins72]

:eat3: Here is to a good injury-free close game.

Hail To the Redskins!

[LoveDemPats]

:eat3: Here is to a good injury-free close game.



Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrBigglesWorth]

:eat3: Here is to a good injury-free close game.

Hail To the Redskins!

is this the last time we'll see you on this board or are you coming back next week?

[Remix 6]

is this the last time we'll see you on this board or are you coming back next week?

i'll trade Aqua to keep him. Anyone got a better offer?

[Keegs]

i'll trade Aqua to keep him. Anyone got a better offer?

yeah, trading Aqua for a sack of trash and a rusty Pepsi can.

[Remix 6]

Colts 31
Panthers 7

See ya next week

Who's working the camera on the patriots* sideline today?

its still being debated. matter of fact..theres a rock-papers-scissors going on as we speak for the opportunity.

[Remix 6]

yeah, trading Aqua for a sack of trash and a rusty Pepsi can.

equal value i suppose.

[Snake]

:eat3: Here is to a good injury-free close game.

Hail To the Redskins!Cheers, my friend.http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/Parrotpaul/popcorn.gifhttp://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/Parrotpaul/toastbeers.gif

[chunkypony]

Redskins to recieve first, NE defends North Goal.

Also, Seymour took snaps behind Green.

[Remix 6]

am i the only 1 still stuck on highlights/post game ****?

[MrBigglesWorth]

ok...i'm giving 10 minutes into the game before the chicken littles come out asking why the pats aren't up by 17-0 in the first quarter

[chunkypony]

am i the only 1 still stuck on highlights/post game ****?

They still have the Eagles game on here.

[PatriotNation]

Seymour is back!


GAME TIME!

[desi-patsfan]

all i have to say is....WIN!

[MrBigglesWorth]

am i the only 1 still stuck on highlights/post game ****?

it's on fox

[DefenseRules]

Damn Rosey almost got that one. Damn.

[desi-patsfan]

Lets see how long it game got Big Sey to come in.

[BHSL2]

The guy who does the play-by-play has an annoying voice.

C'mon defense.

[DefenseRules]

Come on D get these guys off the field.:(

[DefenseRules]

Please put Seymour on the field. Jarvis is not getting it done. :mad:
OK the entire D line is not getting it done.

[Ahriman]

Crowd sounds pathetic this week. I really hate our crowd.

[Remix 6]

i hate our D. ******* stand there and wait for them to run it at u. we never attack the ball

[PatriotNation]

Bend but dont break, nice.

[Keegs]

Dan Cooley missed that one.

that's unfortunate.

[DefenseRules]

Alright Rosey. Good job. Now that's the D I'm used to seeing.:rocker:

[Remix 6]

good job Rodney

[MrBigglesWorth]

what is with all the negativity? it's 0-0 and we just got the ball back

plus the saints are almost in the redzone

[carolinatony]

Now lets go down and score 7 But not to fast!

[MoLewisrocks]

Nice run for glass.

[37Harrison]

Here we go Maroney!!!!!

[Mix]

Maroney is running hard :)

[MrBigglesWorth]

if they keep running like this....play action is gonna be huge

[BHSL2]

Lol, Maroney is definitely made of glass!

[Satchboogie3]

2 straight first down runs. I thought we didn't have a running game...

[DefenseRules]

Alright Maroney, that's the way to run the ball. :rocker:

[Patriots Nation NY]

One of the biggest games of the year, and I have to listen to it on the radio. The Jets are playing at this time, so Fox won't show it in the NY market.. Even more reason to hate the stupid Jests..

[chunkypony]

Redskins hitting pretty hard so far.

[Remix 6]

welkers not that good of a blocker

Maroney and Taylor got some words for each other

[carolinatony]

Control the clock and score on them and let them use all there early Energy
they have

[MrBigglesWorth]

2 straight first down runs. I thought we didn't have a running game...

i bet people were saying that about the panthers on the first drive that they didn't have an offense....... oh yeah..... they still have no offense

[Snake]

Redskins hitting pretty hard so far.Brady is sticking to running the ball and short passes...watch for the bomb.

[DefenseRules]

Maroney is running with AUTHORITY. :D

[PatriotNation]

Redskins are hitting.

They are flying to the ball.

Still the OL, is opening huge running lanes.

[jefmblrd]

Nice first down catch by Faulk

[MrBigglesWorth]

that doesn't look good for carlos rogers

[Snake]

Maroney is running with AUTHORITY. :D
The Pats have the real benefit of having a kick-ass physically strong offense. They run over people pretty handily.

[carolinatony]

We are mixing it up good.Kepp them off guard on what we will do!

[Satchboogie3]

A Skin already down.

Everyone was talking about how physical the Skins are, blah blah blah. But from the Pats, everyone who faces us comes out of the game injured and beated up.

[MrBigglesWorth]

Redskins are hitting.

They are flying to the ball.

Still the OL, is opening huge running lanes.

what game are you watching? they're hitting except it's 5-7 yards in the defensive back field

[sebman2112]

It'd be nice if Maroney would show that first round talent, instead of dancing in the hole :rolleyes:


I had to do it guys :D

[DaBruinz]

OH DAMN.. As someone who has torn his ACL, I hate seeing knee injuries.. It looks like Rogers got his knee hyper-extended when he went over backwards..
Hope that its not more..

[RayClay]

Faulk is giving a clinic on ball security. Good job Kevin!!

[The Gr8est]

I hope I'm wrong but that looked like a bad injury for rogers. Leg got pretzeled.

[Ahriman]

Looks like one of Rodger's teammates rolled his need from a backwards angle. Looked bad, but he didn't seem to be in extreme amounts of pain.

[Satchboogie3]

What is Maroney doing out there!!! 33 yds on 4 carries. WTF. Made of glass.
:)

[37Harrison]

Damn that white boy is good!

[DefenseRules]

It'd be nice if Maroney would show that first round talent, instead of dancing in the hole :rolleyes:


I had to do it guys :D

We deserve it, I know that I do. :p

[Satchboogie3]

Looks like the Pats are doing exactly what they've been doing all season... what ever the hell they want, when they want.

[MrBigglesWorth]

randy moss time coming up

[ALP]

yea, i have to agree...the skins
secondary is givin some very big hits...

[Satchboogie3]

Come on Brady. 2nd down, lets get 6.

[carolinatony]

Use that clock.
The more their defense is on the field they won't have anything left in the 4th quarter

[MrBigglesWorth]

yea, i have to agree...the skins
secondary is givin some very big hits...

teams try to trade punch for punch with the pats... they can do it for maybe the first half... let's see for a whole game

[Mix]

Brady runs for the TD!!

[37Harrison]

Td!!!! Tom Brady!!!!!

[MrBigglesWorth]

damn a RUSHING TD.... gonna kill his passing stats

[MoLewisrocks]

Who says we don't have a running game...:D

[jman924]

Cinder-block feet runs one in!:rocker:

[Satchboogie3]

Brady can't find a guy open in the endzone, no problem, he'll take it in himself! Another first drive TD!

[ALP]

get rid of brady...he sucks

[PatriotNation]

TD Patriots!!!

Crazy legs Brady

[Seymour93]

And the scoring on the first possesion streak stays alive. :rocker:

[VJCPatriot]

Woo!! Brady with the QB Keeper!! Just score baby!! :rocker:

[jaytyme]

brady the scat back

[jaytyme]

brady the scat back

[DefenseRules]

BRADY IS THE MAN. :rocker:

[chunkypony]

Damn that white boy is good!

Yes, Tom Brady is good.

[ATippett56]

Touchdown!

Tom Brady!

[RayClay]

Welker's like a pinball rattling around the bumpers.:D

[Chris]

he just does it all lol

[Satchboogie3]

So that was the Skins slowing down our Offense....

[The Gr8est]

Moss was wide open, but I guess Brady was past the LOS

[everlong]

The Skins defense looked a little bewildered after giving up a drive like that.

I certainly don't want to see Welker getting hit like he did on that one play to often, he was like a ping pong ball.

Taylor is the Skins Rodney. If he plays for you, you love him mixing it up. If he doesn't he drives you nuts.

[LoveDemPats]

Josh McDaniels really called a great drive. He rocks.

[Patriot_in_NY]

8 for 8 on first drives of the game. Not to shabby.

[ALP]

So that was the Skins slowing down our Offense....

yup...the skins D IS slowing us down...
they are making brady run for TD's, instead of thrwo them..LOL

[NYPatsFan]

So that was the Skins slowing down our Offense....
Well, it did take 14 plays. :D

[ALP]

chalk up another TD drive from inside teh pats own 20

[NYPatsFan]

chalk up another TD drive from inside teh pats own 20
Good point. I forgot about that.

[Remix 6]

SEYMOUR IS ON THE FIELD

here we go!

[MrBigglesWorth]

the Skins dare not blitz for fear of Moss and the deep ball

[DefenseRules]

Here's Seymour. :D

[Patriot_in_NY]

GO D................

1st opening drive td against the skins

[Chris]

does seymour look like hes slimmed a little?

[MrBigglesWorth]

interesting substitutions on 3 and 4

[Phoenix111]

Samuel!! What a play!

[Satchboogie3]

And back to the offense.

[DefenseRules]

Good play Asante! :D

[jefmblrd]

Portis just hit the Wilfork Wall

[PaulNEPats]

What a play by Asante

[everlong]

Assante is locked in.

[MrBigglesWorth]

does seymour look like hes slimmed a little?

he looks toned up

[Mix]

Nice series for the D.

O needs another TD.

[ALP]

hahaha, moss was wide open...LOL
so much for brady chasing stats

[Chris]

he looks toned up

aka "tight" haha

[DefenseRules]

does seymour look like hes slimmed a little?

He does look leaner.

[37Harrison]

Good to see Moss giving the thumbs up to Tommy.

I don't like the fact that it looked like he had to explain himself.

[Remix 6]

Samuel. King of Route Jumping. HAIL TO YOU #22

[jefmblrd]

Score a TD and then a 3 and out. Great job.

[MoLewisrocks]

Gonna be a tough day for our 'Skins trolls.

I do hope Welker will let discretion be the better part of valor today so he lives well to fight another day, like next Sunday.

Unlike some teams facing a trap game today, these guys certainly haven't come out flat. And the O has looked fine navigating a Tampa 2.

[Snake]

Those videos are certainly giving Asante a boost today.:eek: :D

[Disco Volante]

Good to see Moss giving the thumbs up to Tommy.

I don't like the fact that it looked like he had to explain himself.

I was thinking the same exact thing.

Why the hell does Brady have to justify anything that results in a TD?

[jaytyme]

how about s quick one to moss here 14-0

[DefenseRules]

Good to see Moss giving the thumbs up to Tommy.

I don't like the fact that it looked like he had to explain himself.

It's called RESPECT. Just my opinion.

[37Harrison]

He does look leaner.

Sey looked very lean and more muscular when he was standing around during TC.

[jaytyme]

thats an easy 5

[37Harrison]

It's called RESPECT. Just my opinion.

True. Good perspective.

[Snake]

I was thinking the same exact thing.

Why the hell does Brady have to justify anything that results in a TD?It isn't justifying...it's communicating. Much better they talk about than not...that's where the chemistry proves itself.

[Disco Volante]

True. Good perspective.

Indeed.

10 Characters.

[Phoenix111]

Pass interference>???


Edit: maybe they tripped. n/m

[jman924]

No PI call.:rolleyes:

[Skree]

And the O has looked fine navigating a Tampa 2.


You know, that is an excellent point. Obviously Indy's offense isn't the same as Washington's but we are moving the ball on them pretty well.

[DaBruinz]

I really wish Maroney would look to his LEFT.. He could have had a ton of yards if he'd cut that way on at least 3 occasions so far.

[Satchboogie3]

BRADY!!!??? Come on, you had a first down there!

[Mix]

Brady can't miss that pass. Gaffney was wide open.

[Phoenix111]

Either way, the non-call on p. interference killed that drive.

[Seymour93]

Damn, Gaffney was wide open too.

[DefenseRules]

Lousy execution on that drive, IMO.

[upstater1]

apparently he way to contain Randy Moss is to grab and trip him.

Oh, and the announcer is a world class moron.

[BBelichicken]

I thought it was PI, the corner hit him more than 5 yards downfield, at least illegal contact.

[sebman2112]

Was that good defense by Sean Taylor, or PI? Seemed he used his body to cut off Randy's progress.

[wdkantro2]

No PI call.:rolleyes:

Yeah, they probably got tied up though. And if Moss didn't complain, it probably wasn't blatant.

[Snake]

They're not giving Brady much time...it will be interesting to see how he and Belichick adjust to that DL pressure.

[patsox23]

I agree with Aikman that London Fletcher shouldn't have been flagged - he was playing the ball. I'd LOVE to hear what he has to say about Taylor there, though. It wasn't just feet getting tangled up. HORSESH!T non-call.

[SVN]

i thought they would run out the clock and run a play in the 2nd quarter. still that was an easy miss on gaffeney.

[Snake]

Yeah, they probably got tied up though. And if Moss didn't complain, it probably wasn't blatant.Moss was in the mix..he did his own share of pushing. Good call.

[ALP]

yea really...i mean...cmon...
that wasnt inteference? sure...
and brady still isnt on his godly game yet...he still looks human...

[makoute]

They were holding Moss' arms. How can that not be at least illegal contact.

[SVN]

i expect the skins to throw deep this drive..

[sebman2112]

I agree with Aikman that London Fletcher shouldn't have been flagged - he was playing the ball. I'd LOVE to hear what he has to say about Taylor there, though. It wasn't just feet getting tangled up. HORSESH!T non-call.

Yea, the announcers were right about London, but Taylor was the offender on that pass. Oh well, the game will continue...

[Phoenix111]

Pass rush really showed up today guys. Wow.:rolleyes:

[ALP]

the wall known as rodney harrison...

[stcjones]

Been watching game...jus got online....can anyone tell me how that was NOT PASS INTERFERENCE AGAINST WASH VS RANDY MOSS??????????????? TO ME...he got mugged....commentators talked about it like nothing happened.......if that were Pay-a-ton and the colts...flags would have flied...wow.......pathetic

[Snake]

Nice pass defense.

[ATippett56]

Let's go Maroney!

[makoute]

I wonder if referees are told not to call PI when Moss is involved in the play. They should've called PI last week in MIA, and they should've called one there.

[Patters]

The crowd doesn't sound like they're into the game at all. What do you think?

[SVN]

The crowd doesn't sound like they're into the game at all. What do you think?

dull..sox hangover and spoilt by success..

[DefenseRules]

The crowd doesn't sound like they're into the game at all. What do you think?

I just think our stadium is just not loud in general.

[Ethan 55]

Pass rush really showed up today guys. Wow.:rolleyes:

They've hardly been rushing anyone, have you noticed that? It looks like they're dropping guys back to confuse Campbell.

[sebman2112]

I think those last two campbell passes might have explained Brady's overthrowing Gaffney....the wind is kicking up pretty good right now.

[Deus Irae]

Been watching game...jus got online....can anyone tell me how that was NOT PASS INTERFERENCE AGAINST WASH VS RANDY MOSS??????????????? TO ME...he got mugged....commentators talked about it like nothing happened.......if that were Pay-a-ton and the colts...flags would have flied...wow.......pathetic

It was interference, but pretty borderline.

[desi-patsfan]

Anyone notice everytime Fletcher hits Welker...he talks trash...only to have Welker go right back over the middle and catch another pass.

[MoLewisrocks]

The crowd doesn't sound like they're into the game at all. What do you think?


Fan trap game.

Need to remember folks there is a pretty gusty wind here today, not to mention the sun is in Campbell's eyes...;)

[ALP]

The crowd doesn't sound like they're into the game at all. What do you think?

i think the wind mit be taking some of the noicse out...

[DefenseRules]

The Skins want to play rough.

[BHSL2]

There's our glass tailback

[VJCPatriot]

The Pats are pounding the football on the ground too! I bet the Skinnies weren't expecting that in their gameplan. :)

[jman924]

Faulk putting on a clinic!:eek:

[stcjones]

Kenny Albert....is that Eddie's son???? What a d-bag!!!...and Aikman is pathetic as well....time to turn volume off....

[Seymour93]

Rivers blocking down field on that Faulk pass.

[jct]

They are clearly giving us the run...
lets take it!:D

[Remix 6]

Faulk had a huge hole on that run

[pats1]

I find the fact that Fox's microphones are so good they're picking up Brady in the huddle quite disturbing.

[SVN]

why arent we running the ball more .?

[Remix 6]

Daniel Graham..*cough..thats actually Rivers*. great block

[pats1]

Kenny Albert....is that Eddie's son???? What a d-bag!!!...and Aikman is pathetic as well....time to turn volume off....

Marv Albert's...

[BHSL2]

Glass GLASS GLASS!!!

I wonder how Danny88 feels...

[Ethan 55]

Should I be able to hear Tom Brady in the huddle from my couch? That would seem to be not so kosher after hearing how damaging seeing signals was.

[jman924]

See. Kook-Aid can catch!:D

[DefenseRules]

Go Maroney. :rocker:

[ALP]

wut u think dungy is thinking watching maroney run liek taht? LOL

[jaytyme]

they weren't expecting that

[Snake]

Maroney gets stronger and quicker every week...nice juke on the backer.

[ALP]

Should I be able to hear Tom Brady in the huddle from my couch? That would seem to be not so kosher after hearing how damaging seeing signals was.

umm, that would be against the pats...u know that doesnt count...

[VJCPatriot]

WIDE OPEN TD to Vrabel!!!

Oh yeah!! When will they ever learn?? LOL. Sweet! :D

[MoLewisrocks]

He can't be stopped...no not Moss, Vrabel!

[desi-patsfan]

LOL!!!!!!! You can't STOP Vrabel...you can only hope to contain him!!

[Mix]

Vrabel!

You would think someone would start covering him by now.

[Satchboogie3]

VRABEL!!!!!! 10 receptions, 10 TD!!!!! YEAH BABY!!!! 14-0 Pats.

The Skins D is so scary I'm shivering...

[PatriotNation]

TD PATRIOTS!!!


Brady to Vrabel.

[jman924]

Glass GLASS GLASS!!!

I wonder how Danny88 feels...

"I'm glad he proved me wrong, but can you disagree that he's injury prone?":rolleyes: :bricks:

[Omega Supreme]

Another play, another TD pass to Vrabel. :)

[Remix 6]

Vrabel :O

TD

thats what happens when u commit a penalty Kyle Brady. u lose your opportunity and Vrabel isnt forced into sharing