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[pats1]

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August 10, 2007
Welcome to RJS
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff

TAMPA, Fla. -- Welcome to Raymond James Stadium, where the Patriots visit the Buccaneers tonight in preseason action (7:30 p.m. ET).

It is hot and sticky, with overcast skies. There is a chance of showers.

The first Patriots bus arrived here at 4:30 p.m. Long snapper Lonie Paxton and defensive end Mike Wright are the first players to take the field.

A large pirate ship is hard to miss in the end zone. One note to pass along: every two years, the NFL Players Association conducts a survey of players rating the best playing fields in the NFL. This natural grass surface ranked No. 1 in the most recent survey.

More to come throughout the night.

Posted By: mreiss | Time: 04:48:05 PM

The first game thread in nearly 7 months!

Are you ready for some FOOTBALL?!?!?

[unoriginal]

Sure. Why not?

[unoriginal]

I'd like to make note here that somehow during training camp I've managed to work my way up from "Third Team and special teams" to "Second Team and Threatening Starter's Job." We must have had a rash of injuries on this board or something.

[Flying Fungi]

Keegs has been waiting for this moment.

And so the journey begins.

[BradyManny2344]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

The first game thread in nearly 7 months!

Are you ready for some FOOTBALL?!?!?

**** yes. Unfortunately, I'll have to miss at least the first half...Thank god for DVRs, though.

[PatsWickedPissah]

The first game thread in nearly 7 months!

Are you ready for some FOOTBALL?!?!?

Actually no, I'm not quite ready.
Gotta make dinner first.
Please hold the game until after dinner.

[363839]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/



The first game thread in nearly 7 months!

Are you ready for some FOOTBALL?!?!?


:rocker: HELL YEAH!:rocker:

[PATSNUTme]

Is anyone blogging from the game except Reiss? Not that here is anything wrong with Reiss.

[drakesta101]

Tom Casale for Patriots Football Weekly could be..he made a post regarding tonights game already

http://officialnewenglandpatriots.wordpress.com/
heres a link for ya

[pats1]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/


August 10, 2007
WRs on field
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff

The Patriots wide receivers have taken the field for warmups, and Randy Moss, as expected is not present. No sign of Donte Stallworth either.

The receivers in uniform are:

C.J. Jones
Chris Dunlap
Bam Childress
Jabar Gaffney
Kelley Washington
Kelvin Kight
Wes Welker
Reche Caldwell

Posted By: mreiss | Time: 06:45:38 PM


August 10, 2007
Holder in focus
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff

Kicker Stephen Gostkowski went through his warmups, with backup quarterback Matt Cassel doing all the holding.

Veteran punter Josh Miller is the incumbent holder. But Miller is in a fight for the punting job with youngsters Danny Baugher and Tom Malone, so the Patriots must consider that when assessing the holding duties.

This will be one area to watch for tonight.

Posted By: mreiss | Time: 06:37:32 PM

[pats1]

Belichick, in his interview with Duke, said that Miller won't punt tonight. They also won't use too many TEs. He said they expect Dave Thomas to be back.

[drakesta101]

Where do I find said interview with Duke?

[pats1]

Where do I find said interview with Duke?

On WBCN right now...

[drakesta101]

On WBCN right now...

Do they always have a pregame interview on WBCN? I never knew they did.

[DefenseRules]

FINALLY!! Patriots football is back. Even if it is preseason. :rocker:

[pats1]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/


August 10, 2007
Maroney update
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff

The Patriots have taken the field for stretching and warmups and running back Laurence Maroney is not present. That likely means veteran Sammy Morris will get the initial carries.

Posted By: mreiss | Time: 06:52:25 PM

[pats1]

Do they always have a pregame interview on WBCN? I never knew they did.

Every week with Jonathan Kraft and Belichick.

[slash83]

I doubt it but it would of been cool to at least see Stallworth playin..

[pats1]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/


August 10, 2007
Game attendance
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff

The Patriots are in the middle of their warmups. Here is a list of players we haven't spotted:

WR Donte Stallworth
S Artrell Hawkins
RB Laurence Maroney
ILB Eric Alexander
ILB Junior Seau
OLB Pierre Woods
OL Billy Yates
WR Randy Moss
TE Benjamin Watson
TE Kyle Brady

Posted By: mreiss | Time: 06:57:41 PM

[DefenseRules]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

All of these guys are either recovering or working their way back from injuries. BB is NOT going to put them on the field in a meaningless game.

[patsox23]

Bummer about Pierre Woods and Eric Alexander. Otherwise I'm not all that surprised. Would like to have seen Stallworth, but not shocked to see him out.

[patsfan12]

Hello all, My first post here. So stoked that footballs back.

One question: Is there any site where I could watch the game?

Thanks. Heres hoping for a great season.

[pats1]

Jonathan just took a little shot at the Postons - said that if Law had a different agent, that situation would have worked out differently.

[drakesta101]

Hello all, My first post here. So stoked that footballs back.

One question: Is there any site where I could watch the game?

Thanks. Heres hoping for a great season.

Download Sopcast - simple to use and free
Then go here and click the link
http://streamednfl.blogspot.com/

[naclone]

Download Sopcast - simple to use and free
Then go here and click the link
http://streamednfl.blogspot.com/

The one channel is streaming the sox and the other doesn't seem to be working.

anybody having any luck?

[Remix 6]

The one channel is streaming the sox and the other doesn't seem to be working.

anybody having any luck?

nope. hopefully they guy switches from the Sox game.

[SVN]

anyone see the tv telecast moving in fast forward ..?? randy cross looks funny talking in this mode

[DefenseRules]

Jeez, not these two again. Randy Cross is especially hard to take.:(

[Michael]

I hate ABC!!! :mad:

[MoLewisrocks]

anyone see the tv telecast moving in fast forward ..?? randy cross looks funny talking in this mode


No schit...the commercials are OK so hopefully Kraft Productions gets their act and their signal together before kickoff...

[Phoenix111]

Download Sopcast - simple to use and free
Then go here and click the link
http://streamednfl.blogspot.com/

Pardon me for being a little skeptical, but I'm not going to open this .exe file and be struck with bundles of viruses/spyware am I? Anyone try this?

[MoLewisrocks]

WTF is wrong with the broadcast....

OK now it's OK

[Brady_to_Moss]

Are you surprised that Stallworth isn't starting?

[DefenseRules]

Why do our backs continue to dance around in the backfield?
Not a good showing by the O on that drive.

[Phoenix111]

Are you surprised that Stallworth isn't starting?

Kind of disappointing in regards to Stallworth. Expected I guess with Moss, but I hope it's precautionary rather than because he is still hurting.

[SWelker]

nice 3 and out for the defense, Thomas and Green getting early pressure on Garcia.

[LaBrady]

yeah both of those links on sopcast are something other than pats games... this sucks :(

you guys gotta comment on whats going on in the game!!

[DefenseRules]

Good job Defense. Now if only the O can get it together.;)

[PaulNEPats]

I guess Channel 5's in preseason mode too


Looking at the list of our starting D really puts into perspective how dominant they can be this season. That looked like a Pro-Bowl lineup :D

[DefenseRules]

I guess Channel 5's in preseason mode too


Looking at the list of our starting D really puts into perspective how dominant they can be this season. That looked like a Pro-Bowl lineup :D

Amen. :rocker:

[cavtroop]

yeah, this broadcast is awful.

Good stand by the D. I was hoping Colvin would catch Williams in the backfield, but just missed back on 1st down...

[LaBrady]

What happened in the first O series? How did Brady and welker look?

[naclone]

espn gamecast is useless

[DefenseRules]

That Collision scared the hell out of me. :eek:

[bruinator]

for those who are having trouble with reception, do you have directv?

[PaulNEPats]

for those who are having trouble with reception, do you have directv?

Nope, Comcast

[SWelker]

the Kevin Faulk show on this drive.

[fgssand]

These guys are awful when they broadcast on time...hearing them 3 second after the play is BRUTAL....comcast here. He missed a wide open Welker...

They look awesome on thi sdrive 3 and 7 I guess screen

[bruinator]

Nope, Comcast so is it wcvb tv issue with reception?

[desi-patsfan]

WHAT THE **** is going on? how enept are these idiots.

[SWelker]

ugh, Brady overthrew a wide open Welker on that one.

[DefenseRules]

Damn, Brady just missed him.

[SWelker]

Gaines Adams just dominated Matt Light.

[LaBrady]

SOunds like our O is strugeling ...

[DefenseRules]

Come on Matt you can do better than that.:mad:

[DefenseRules]

Gaines Adams just dominated Matt Light.

Yes he did, and it SCARES the hell out of me. :mad:

[MoLewisrocks]

Light is looking like his usual pro bowl alternate self...about 7th alternate tonight. He almost got Brady killed on the first drive and he just killed the second drive. The Oline got some work to do.

[fgssand]

Yes he did, and it SCARES the hell out of me. :mad:

Stop it....it's ist quarter of the ist preseason game,...yeesh

[RayClay]

Gaines Adams just dominated Matt Light.

Just the opposite, Light stopped him, so he jumped up like he's supposed to.

That was the opinion of the Tampa Bay announcers.

[sarge]

Now I can't see the game, I am just listening to it.

But they said it was a screen. Wasn't Light suppose to let Adams through?

[RayClay]

Who's punting? These Tampa announcers only know about 5 guys on the Patriots.

[SWelker]

Another 3 and out for the defense, Hobbs almost picked that one.

[indcolts18288]

Stop it....it's ist quarter of the ist preseason game,...yeesh

Yeah, that's what you all said when commenting on the Colts game yesterday.:rolleyes:
All I have to say. Here is to your Pats having a good game with no injuries.

[DefenseRules]

Adalius is looking VERY good. :D

[bradybunch]

Now I can't see the game, I am just listening to it.

But they said it was a screen. Wasn't Light suppose to let Adams through?

what site are you listening to it on?

[SWelker]

Bam got his helmet knocked off, but a face masking on the Bucs.

Baugher and Malone have split the 2 punts so far

[DefenseRules]

Bam got his helmet knocked off, but a face masking on the Bucs.

Baugher and Malone have split the 2 punts so far

Our young punters look good. Miller better bring his A game when it's his turn, IMO. I'ver heard that Baugher looks the best of all of them. I've been watching them closely.

[SWelker]

the Matt Cassell era has begun.

[sarge]

what site are you listening to it on?

I sprung for the nfl field pass

[SWelker]

Morris has looked bad so far on his 4 runs or so, Faulk much better early in the game.

[SWelker]

Brooks almost picks off Cassel's first pass of the game intended for Morris.

[reflexblue]

Looks like everyone will be up for us all year ,including the pre-season

[fgssand]

NICE catch and move by Washington

[SWelker]

nice run after the catch by Kelley.

[DefenseRules]

Morris has looked bad so far on his 4 runs or so, Faulk much better early in the game.

I agree, but I'm wondering if it's the OL or our blocking. :confused:

[SWelker]

Morris once again gets very little

Whole 2nd unit in for the oline.

[SWelker]

Back to back completions to Gaffney and Caldwell, but an illegal motion penalty on Reche.

[PromisedLand]

Pardon me for being a little skeptical, but I'm not going to open this .exe file and be struck with bundles of viruses/spyware am I? Anyone try this?
I did, but one channel had the Red Sox and the other one had a blank. I'm gathering this technology depends on a "volunteer" to link the broadcast (i.e. someone who is in an area that receives the broadcast) onto the sopcast ptp system. And no one did.

[SWelker]

Kelley laid out for that one, Cassel overthrew him.

[DefenseRules]

Did Randy Cross just say "Funner"? Good Lord. :rolleyes:

[Brady_to_Moss]

Did Randy Cross just say "Funner"? Good Lord. :rolleyes:

LMAO...Washington got nailed

[PromisedLand]

Now I can't see the game, I am just listening to it.

But they said it was a screen. Wasn't Light suppose to let Adams through?sarge, you're here in NC, right? How are you listening to the game?

edit: never mind, I see you already answered the question.

[SWelker]

4th and 1 comin up after the Cassel scramble...

Bill wants a timeout.

Edit: NVM, wants a measurement.

[MoLewisrocks]

Old Matt Cassel is looking pretty good under pressure running our 2nd team O against Tampa's 1st team D.

[DefenseRules]

LMAO...Washington got nailed

Yes He did, but he got up.

[Mix]

sarge, you're here in NC, right? How are you listening to the game?


You can listen here. http://www.wccc.com/

[fgssand]

Good lord, they missed the play after comm break. Cassell looking exhausted...that kind of weather will melt anybody.

[MoLewisrocks]

Anybody notice Tommy and his new best friend sitting alone together on the bench - looks like he and his new slot dog have really bonded. Welker looks like he's still almost giddy to find himself sitting on the Pats sideline! Once the timing gets down those two and gonna do some serious damage.

[Flying Fungi]

it needs to be said

what the hell is up with Bam's eyes?!?!?

[SWelker]

Nice run there by Sammy

[fgssand]

NICE run by MOrris after a NICE wash. catch

[stcjones]

NICE catch and move by Washington

Washington is showing ALOT tonight........he is making his case to make this team! Gaffney is also looking GREAT!!!

[DefenseRules]

That's the best run Sammy has had.

[SWelker]

Touchdown Morris!

[DefenseRules]

Washington is showing ALOT tonight........he is making his case to make this team! Gaffney is also looking GREAT!!!

I agree. They have shown some toughness too.

[MoLewisrocks]

Very nice drive led by a guy who never played in College.

TD Morris.

Tommy looks pissed - he wants to play with the 2nd string tonight. This will motivate the hell out of him to get more out of the first team next week.

[RayClay]

Morris ain't Barry Sanders. He's a backup.

He keeps going forward and will take advantage if the defense f's up.

[fgssand]

I understand Miller is not punting tonight - however, I wonder why he is not holding??
Is this a real tip off as to who is winning the punting battle??

[DefenseRules]

Touchdown Morris!

That was a GOOD RUN, and I saw some more TOUGHNESS in that Goal line run. I like that. Corey was tough in short yardage situations. That performance from Morris was encouraging, IMO.

[stcjones]

That's the best run Sammy has had.

TOUCHDOWNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brady_to_Moss]

looking good....you think next week moss and or stallworth will be back for a few plays??

[Pats_Man1]

Can someone help me watch the game on the internet cause sopcast.com is not workin for me

[fgssand]

Washington is showing ALOT tonight........he is making his case to make this team! Gaffney is also looking GREAT!!!

Agreed....They both look like they belong. Caldwell may be odd man out.

[LaBrady]

What time (on the play clock) did they score the first TD?

[pats1]

Agreed....They both look like they belong. Caldwell may be odd man out.

Washington's camp has been horrible by all accounts. I don't think it changes with one quarter of preseason football in which, mind you, Caldwell hasn't done anything wrong. ;)

[DefenseRules]

Agreed....They both look like they belong. Caldwell may be odd man out.

It's still early, but I'm starting to get the same opinion. Caldwell has three more preseason games to state his case.

[fgssand]

Cassell looks hurt - rib injury they said...Guttierez all day now??

[DefenseRules]

Our D line is getting pushed around and our secondary is getting GASHED.
Oh well it's preseason.

[SVN]

our run D needs some syncing up

[DefenseRules]

What's going on with our D Line all of a sudden?:confused:

[fgssand]

Our D line is getting pushed around and our secondary is getting GASHED.
Oh well it's preseason.

Yes, but still - many of our "1"s" are in there and getting pushed all around.

[stcjones]

Uh oh....the commentator just stated that this is our starting defense with the exception of seymour.....if that is the case they better start tightening up some things before the start of the season........

[DefenseRules]

Nice plays by Mike and Mike. :D

[BradfordPatsFan]

Uh oh....the commentator just stated that this is our starting defense with the exception of seymour.....if that is the case they better start tightening up some things before the start of the season........

And Wilfork, and A$ante...

[fgssand]

Uh oh....the commentator just stated that this is our starting defense with the exception of seymour.....if that is the case they better start tightening up some things before the start of the season........

They heard us and held them to 3!!

[Pats_Man1]

I think our D-Line is lookin good now!!!

[reflexblue]

I think our D-Line is lookin good now!!!they steppted up and made some plays. :D

[Brady_to_Moss]

What's going on with our D Line all of a sudden?:confused:

First 2 quarters..nothing to worry about....hey..they only gave up a field goal...they do that in every game...they win

[DefenseRules]

I think our D-Line is lookin good now!!!

Yeah. Wilfork had a tough series, IMHO. I don't think that he was in there on the last two downs.

[stcjones]

Washington's camp has been horrible by all accounts. I don't think it changes with one quarter of preseason football in which, mind you, Caldwell hasn't done anything wrong. ;)

In all actuality he has been dealing with an injury throughout alot of the camp i believe, and is still learning our offense....since he is looking really good despite all that tonight and Caldwell has been nonexistent i agree that caldwell could be odd man out.....

[LaBrady]

You guys know its preseason game, right?

[RayClay]

Washington's camp has been horrible by all accounts. I don't think it changes with one quarter of preseason football in which, mind you, Caldwell hasn't done anything wrong. ;)

Not disagreeing with your general perception, but he did get a penalty.

[MoLewisrocks]

Uh oh....the commentator just stated that this is our starting defense with the exception of seymour.....if that is the case they better start tightening up some things before the start of the season........

They must have heard you - they toughened up into the bend but don't break. I think they probably sat too long in this heat during our last drive, and the QB change caught them a little flat. But they made the adjustment and tightened 'er up.

[stcjones]

And Wilfork, and A$ante...

I think that Wilfork was in there during the last series wasn't he? I don't expect to see Asante in here this year...I hope he does but it doesn't seem to look too good...GO PATS!!

[DefenseRules]

You guys know its preseason game, right?

Yeah we know. But we still want to see our guys do well. I'm just happy Brady is not out there taking any hits. I can sit back RELAX and enjoy seeing the young guys on the field.:D

[BradfordPatsFan]

I think that Wilfork was in there during the last series wasn't he? I don't expect to see Asante in here this year.......I hope he does but it doesn't seem to look to good....GO PATS!!

Mike Wright was in, as was Green I believe. I assumed MW was in for VW but it could have been TW.


(man we have a lot of guys with the last initial w on this roster)

[DefenseRules]

I think that Wilfork was in there during the last series wasn't he? I don't expect to see Asante in here this year...I hope he does but it doesn't seem to look too good...GO PATS!!

No Wilkfork wasn't out there.

[stcjones]

They must have heard you - they toughened up into the bend but don't break. I think they probably sat too long in this heat during our last drive, and the QB change caught them a little flat. But they made the adjustment and tightened 'er up.

Good points...I'm sure it is a lot about shaking off the rust out there...good to see you on here MO...GO PATS!!!!!

[DefenseRules]

Cassel looks GASSED.

[stcjones]

No Wilkfork wasn't out there.

My bad!!!!!

[LaBrady]

Jarvis Green and Mike Wright were the guys who got the sacks according to NFL.com so yeah not all starters were in obviously

[DefenseRules]

Baugher knows how to BOOM those kicks. That returner didn't have much of a chance.

[reflexblue]

Cassel looks GASSED.from what, he ran twice i think

[stcjones]

Cassel looks GASSED.


I hope this isn't a sign of things to come with our OC....calling a long bomb on 3rd and 3.......somewhere NEM must be weeping.....

[reflexblue]

I hope this isn't a sign of things to come with our OC....calling a long bomb on 3rd and 3.......somewhere NEM must be weeping.....NEM is tightning the noose as we speak.

[DefenseRules]

from what, he ran twice i think

The heat. They commented on the pregame show that he didn't like the heat. It's very Hot, Hazy and Humid down there. I would be gassed too, if I had to perform under those conditions.

[fgssand]

Welcome to the NFL Brandon....taking no crap from anyone. I like that!!

[DefenseRules]

And the Merriweather era Begins.
:D

[reflexblue]

The heat. They commented on the pregame show that he didn't like the heat. It's very Hot, Hazy and Humid down there. I would be gassed too, if I had to perform under those conditions.yeah i hear him and you,im the same way.

[Remix 6]

And the Merriweather era Begins.
:D

whatd my boy do? (full detail please)

im missing game b/c sopcast. F !!!

[DefenseRules]

Welcome to the NFL Brandon....taking no crap from anyone. I like that!!

He's scrappy...as long as it ends right there, that's fine with me. It's always good to have some tude in the secondary. Rodney will show him the right way to use that 'tude.:D

[DefenseRules]

They got us with that play.

[stcjones]

Why couln't we have gotten a guy like Ernest Graham as a backup RB this year? None of our RB draftees are going to stick...

[Pats_Man1]

What position is Meriweather playing???

[BadMoFo]

Why couln't we have gotten a guy like Ernest Graham as a backup RB this year? None of our RB draftees are going to stick...

Because we don't really need a another backup, we have Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk.

[Remix 6]

whos getting picked on? Meriweather? Andrews? James? whos covering Warren?

[DefenseRules]

What position is Meriweather playing???

I'm not sure, but there seemed to be some miscommunication out there. Those guys were wide open.

[BadMoFo]

McCown is 5-5 with 28 yards rushing, he's having a good quarter.

[JoeSixPat]

You guys know its preseason game, right?

Noooo! The Perfect Season is in Jeopardy! We need to sweep the pre-season, regular season and win the Super Bowl.

Why isn't Belichick playing ALL the starters????

[Pats_Man1]

Our secondary is gettin killed out there!!!!! Please Please Please pay Asante!!!!!

[reflexblue]

I'm not sure, but there seemed to be some miscommunication out there. Those guys were wide open.THAT SHOULD BE EASY TO FIX

[BadMoFo]

This is one half of bad offense and defense.

[Remix 6]

why is Gemara returning kicks? Hes not going to make the team. let Bam and Andrews get some work

[DefenseRules]

Who was the OL that got beat on that sack?

[LaBrady]

Noooo! The Perfect Season is in Jeopardy! We need to sweep the pre-season, regular season and win the Super Bowl.

Why isn't Belichick playing ALL the starters????

LOL OMG YES what is going on i thought we were going to win every game!?!!

[stcjones]

Cassel still has alot of trouble making quick reads........he takes alot of time to react....

[stcjones]

why is Gemara returning kicks? Hes not going to make the team. let Bam and Andrews get some work

What happened to Welker being our return guy? Isn't that one of the reasons we signed him? I'd like to at least see him get a few reps back there...

[Patriot_in_NY]

Cassel sucks. Pts Gutz in there

[stcjones]

This is one half of bad offense and defense.


They certainly are not in sync overall at this point.....simply preseason of course........

[PatsWickedPissah]

Color me unimpressed with the D. Improvement needed.
Cassie looks OK.
Gaffney is a LOCK.

[pats1]

What happened to Welker being our return guy? Isn't that one of the reasons we signed him? I'd like to at least see him get a few reps back there...

We know what he can do. We don't know what Gemara et al can do.

[Kdo5]

2nd team defense...not very good. Nice to see Randall Gay making some tackles!

[BadMoFo]

Our secondary is gettin killed out there!!!!! Please Please Please pay Asante!!!!!

Dude, back away from the ledge.

[stcjones]

We know what he can do. We don't know what Gemara et al can do.


Ok....................

[Patriot_in_NY]

Dude, back away from the ledge.

lol................

[ctpatsfan77]

Our secondary is gettin killed out there!!!!! Please Please Please pay Asante!!!!!

Anyone else ever notice that Pats players apparently become infinitely better the moment they leave Foxboro? :rolleyes:

[PATSNUTme]

We will not be seeing great football out there with the heat index at 108.

But it's better than no football at all.:rocker:

[fgssand]

Halftime interview with Bruschi and Troy Brown was awesome.

Go to www.patriots.com (http://www.patriots.com), they said the entire interview is there.

[QB12]

No TV or radio where I'm at - just the net. Who's looked good and who's looked bad to this point?

QB12

[BradfordPatsFan]

Not too worried about the second team defense. How often will they be out there as a group this season? I hope it isn't ever unless we are way ahead. Plus, I believe by week 3 of the preseason when some of these guys have been "weeded out" so to speak, we will see a more cohesive 2nd defensive unit.

[MoLewisrocks]

Cassel still has alot of trouble making quick reads........he takes alot of time to react....

No, he had no time on that last play because the right side collapsed. He was exceptional under pressure in the first quarter. He lost a nice reception on Reche's penalty and then another on a beautifully placed throw that Reche looked too slow to get under. Moss or Stallworth would have had that one for a TD.

He's lookin a little gimpy since the QB sneak. Looked like he took a helmet hit to the hip or thigh area and he's been feeling it a little ever since. Hope it's just a bruise.

[PatsWickedPissah]

We will not be seeing great football out there with the heat index at 108.

.:rocker:

In the intrests of humanity, let the cheerleaders cast off excess clothing.

[Pats_Man1]

Whats James Sanders looking like out there.

[PatsWickedPissah]

OK WTF is that fat overly tanned folker on the Pats staff they keep showing?

[pats1]

Whats James Sanders looking like out there.

Haven't seen him involved in any plays so far. Remember DBs can't really be seen on TV.

[MoLewisrocks]

Color me unimpressed with the D. Improvement needed.
Cassie looks OK.
Gaffney is a LOCK.

Which D were you unimpressed with, the first team that allowed 3 or the 2nd team that allowed 7? Much of that second unit tonight was rookies being directed by veteran depth JAGS...

[RayClay]

Quinton has some quicks!

[DefenseRules]

Bad kick by the Gost. Everybody looks "RUSTY" in this game.

[DefenseRules]

The kids did a decent job on that drive. Justin Rogers stood out somewhat, but I need to see much more before I form an opinion.

[PatsWickedPissah]

Which D were you unimpressed with, the first team that allowed 3 or the 2nd team that allowed 7? Much of that second unit tonight was rookies being directed by veteran depth JAGS...

Even tho the 1st bended but didn't break it was no monster D.

[PatsWickedPissah]

Bad kick by the Gost. Everybody looks "RUSTY" in this game.

Waivers??????

[BradfordPatsFan]

Even tho the 1st bended but didn't break it was no monster D.

Hasn't bend but don't break been the mantra of this team since 2001?

[BradfordPatsFan]

The kids did a decent job on that drive. Justin Rogers stood out somewhat, but I need to see much more before I form an opinion.

That is true for many players on this team. Let's all remember that at about 11:00 tonight.

[Sunqueen212]

I know it's preseason, but what's the score?

[stcjones]

[Sammy Malone....you may not make the team with kicks like that.......gotta stick that stuff!

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'd expected more Cas but it's fun to see Gut.

[RayClay]

I know it's preseason, but what's the score?

10-7 bucs.

Too many punts into the endzone, bring back Ken Walter.

Please God, I'm only kidding.:bricks:

[DefenseRules]

That is true for many players on this team. Let's all remember that at about 11:00 tonight.

So true. I don't care about winning that much in the first preseason game. I care more about execution, how the rookies are developing, and what the guys on the bubble can do for our team.

[stcjones]

I'd expected more Cas but it's fun to see Gut.


I kind of like the quick reads by Guts so far out there.....I know this is the first we have seen of him but it seems encouraging.....I just think Cassel takes a ton of time to decide what he is going to do....whether throw it away or dump off etc......Seems like he has been in the league too long to not be able to make the appropriate reaction by now.....I know that I am comparing him to Tom Brady (who is by far the best at making quick reads and making the correct play.....NO ONE has ever done this better than Brady).....one man's opinion

[Remix 6]

howd/how is Meriweather doing?

[PatsFanInVa]

I'm another net-only guy for this game - someone help me out.

Leave aside that it's preseason only... McCown's stats look AWESOME. Let's try to forget it's against the JAGs, is he really looking that good (IF those were good players out there?)

[miDeuce]

Lua - 4 tackles already. Looks like we found our replacement for when Tedy hangs 'em up. ;)

[Remix 6]

Lua - 4 tackles already. Looks like we found our replacement for when Tedy hangs 'em up. ;)

honestly..tackles dont mean anything right now. the way the D is playing

[DefenseRules]

Man those guys can't get off the field. I almost wish that Bill would put some of our starting DL on the field to stop the bleeding.

[DefenseRules]

Richardson is making some nice plays out there.

[Remix 6]

hows Meriweather doing? anyone

has he been the 1 getting beat?

[fgssand]

Merriweather is a player...he blew that play up which forced the fumble. I think Richardson has looked decent as well.

[DefenseRules]

Decent stand by the kids. They are buckling and bending but not quite breaking.

[MoLewisrocks]

I kind of like the quick reads by Guts so far out there.....I know this is the first we have seen of him but it seems encouraging.....I just think Cassel takes a ton of time to decide what he is going to do....whether throw it away or dump off etc......Seems like he has been in the league too long to not be able to make the appropriate reaction by now.....I know that I am comparing him to Tom Brady (who is by far the best at making quick reads and making the correct play.....NO ONE has ever done this better than Brady).....one man's opinion

Don't know what game you've been watching...one man's opinion.

[Pats_Man1]

Meriweather forced a fumble already!?!?!?!?!?!?

[stcjones]

Don't know what game you've been watching...one man's opinion.


So overall you think Cassel is making quick reads and is a good backup to come in to replace Tom Brady? I am not confident in this guy's skills thus far.......takes too long to release the ball far too often.....thanks for your input.....

[DefenseRules]

Guiterrez has to work on that screen pass.

[Frezo]

I don't like Evans running to the outside. Straight ahead only please.

[pats1]

I don't like Evans running to the outside. Straight ahead only please.

Gotta switch it up. The defense can't see Heath in there and always think up the middle.

[Pats_Man1]

Gutierrez is lookin good as a rook!!!!

[RayClay]

Gotta switch it up. The defense can't see Heath in there and always think up the middle.

You think he's fooling someone?

[Frezo]

Gotta switch it up. The defense can't see Heath in there and always think up the middle.

Sure, but there's no yardage for him outside. He looked he was cutting with snowshoes on. :)

[Patters]

Gutierrez pretty impressive. Making a lot of smart decisions.

[stcjones]

Gutierrez pretty impressive. Making a lot of smart decisions.

Yes he is.........

[reflexblue]

Gutierrez pretty impressive. Making a lot of smart decisions.He seems more composed than cassel. tied 10/10

[stcjones]

He seems more composed than cassle.

I agree with this.......however Mo Lewis rocks does not.........one man's opinion ;)

[DefenseRules]

Gutierrez pretty impressive. Making a lot of smart decisions.

He almost had a TD on that play too. He's got a long way to go, but I like his intangibles. :)

[PatsWickedPissah]

FWIW which is not much, both backup QBs look fine.
No VT this year.

[MoLewisrocks]

Gutierrez pretty impressive. Making a lot of smart decisions.


Oops... He is looking pretty good scrubs on scrubs. Seems to have decent composure. Throws a pretty accurate ball with some zip on it, just got a little nervous and put too much air under that last one. He's made a couple of questionable throws - the kind BB winces at - but the PI and Bam saved his bacon. Still this could create the same kind of buzz for him that Cassel's rookie pre season appearances created. And that could be bad news for old Vinny...

[fgssand]

Assuming Vinny comes back - I hate to expose Guttierz to P/Squad where someone could swipe him. Yet, no way can we keep four can we?

The kid looked good....for one half anyway.

[Remix 6]

who knocked the last 2 passesdown?

[reflexblue]

J.Rodgers is makeing some noise too. A fumble rec.and is always around the ball from what Im hearing. And ive heard his name 5-6 times.

[fgssand]

J.Rodgers is makeing some noise too. A fumble rec.and is always around the ball from what Im hearing.

Rogers, Lua, Merriweather, Richardson.....impressive to me.

[JoeSixPat]

I don't know about everyone else, but I have very low expectations for the first pre-season game from ALL players.

Whether they are new to the system or vets shaking the rust off, my expectation is for everyone to look like.... well, like they are new to the system or shaking the rust off.

So I'm pleasantly surprised when players look good and don't expend the least bit worry when they play the way I expect.

[reflexblue]

Rogers, Lua, Merriweather, Richardson.....impressive to me.Yeah meriweather,and lua have been impressive.

[Fencer]

ugh, Brady overthrew a wide open Welker on that one.

I was also wondering whether that was where Welker was supposed to be. A little deeper and he would have been further from the defense ...

[Pats_Man1]

BB using Rashad Baker as a RB???

[DefenseRules]

Jeez, why not just go for the first down?

[fgssand]

Third and short and for the second time tonight - we go deep downfield and throw into double coverage. WTF....throw that play out of the playbook please - nobody is fooled.

[Frezo]

What's up with BB? Is it too warm for a ripped sleeveless hoodie?

[DefenseRules]

Anyone care to bet that #41 will be among the first to be cut?

[reflexblue]

Anyone care to bet that #41 will be among the first to be cut?He'l have to pay for his ticket home, BB won't let him on the bus.

[DefenseRules]

Our backups on the D line have a long way to go, IMO.

[reflexblue]

For thoses with no way to see or hear the game 2 minute warning tied 10-10

[reflexblue]

I guess we'er not going undefeated. But no injuries. :rocker: It still sucks though.

[PatsWickedPissah]

we are such LOSAHS!

[Patriot_in_NY]

needs lots of work

[stcjones]

I guess we'er not going undefeated.

This is just a preseason game......However this team needs to work a ton of rust off and improve in several areas before the start of the regular season.......anyways....going undefeated begins with the first game of the regular season.......

[LaBrady]

Bucs have beaten Pats 6 consecutive times now!!! :eek: .... in preseason hahahahaa :singing:

[pats1]

I've set up a postgame notes thread:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?p=479434

[PatsWickedPissah]

I for one am very happy with this game. No apparent injuries and a great opportunity for player eval.

[reflexblue]

This is just a preseason game......However this team needs to work a ton of rust off and improve in several areas before the start of the regular season.......anyways....going undefeated begins with the first game of the regular season.......I wasn't being serious.The way so many people have hyped this team they should win every game. What can anyone expect from a group thats been working for a whole two weeks,of course they're going to be rusty,and out of sync.

[stcjones]

I for one am very happy with this game. No apparent injuries and a great opportunity for player eval.

And most importantly BB did exactly what he does every preseason which is throw out a nothing, totally vanilla gameplan which gives our opponents nothing to work from....I think (or at least hope) that is the main factor here.......
Bucs fans of course are going NUTS down here in Florida right now........they have defeated the NE Patriots as far as they are concerned......

[fgssand]

I for one am very happy with this game. No apparent injuries and a great opportunity for player eval.

Absolutely right....I saw many impressive performances and hey, for game one of pre-season - all is well in Patriot land.

[Handel]

don't care if Pats are 0-4 in pre-season. It's after who it counts,

[RayClay]

J.Rodgers is makeing some noise too. A fumble rec.and is always around the ball from what Im hearing. And ive heard his name 5-6 times.

Except he's overpursued and blown containment more than once.

That's not going to cut it on this team.

[Flying Fungi]

FWIW which is not much, both backup QBs look fine.
No VT this year.

Shadow roster for Vinny.

Gut to the 53 if based solely on tonight.

[reflexblue]

Except he's overpursued and blown containment more than once.

That's not going to cut it on this team.I couldn't see the game only hear it so Im not aware of that type of thing. Listening to the game he sounded impressive.

[RayClay]

Anyone care to bet that #41 will be among the first to be cut?

Yeah, he's made his highlight film. Unfortunately, most of it is out of bounds.

Some might disagree, but I bet Rodgers, Mays and Lua might need to keep the tape of this game to show their grandkids.

Rodgers made lots of plays, so what if they made some big runs outside him cardinal sin, got to stay in your lane on this team.

Lua hits hard, but hits with no wrap up and spinning a QB around instead of burying him don't make it for an ILB.

Mays just looks lost.

I predict (jumping to conclusions, obviously) 1 of three makes it at all, either PS or STs. Hopefully their play in future exhibitions changes my mind.

Richardson made 2 good plays in a row, Mills looks agile.

Santonio Thomas, who won't make nothing, continues to look better than the young LBs (who have a real shot), IMO. Oh well.

What's a Quinton Smith and why can't we have one?

[RayClay]

I couldn't see the game only hear it so Im not aware of that type of thing. Listening to the game he sounded impressive.

Looked great early. The big drives at the end made you wonder why their was no outside containment so I watched.

Obviously not a comprehensive analysis, but that's just such a big no no on this team. Could be, he gets a talking to and looks great.

On the other hand, it could be why he was "always around the ball" early.

Time will tell, but time is quite limited for some.

On the other hand, I don't know diddley, so we must take that into account.:D

[BadMoFo]

Hey, three of the four games today ended 13-10.