PDA

View Full Version : My camp report and pictures (7/27/07 AM)


pats1
07-27-2007, 12:43 PM
Report:

Just got home (had a few stops to make, plus heavy traffic on 495), and I've only had a chance to glance at the blogs, so I apologize if some of this has already been covered:

-No Stallworth, Meriweather, Brown, or Samuel. I could have sworn I didn't see Hilliard out there, but apparently he was.

-Practiced opened up as usual, with punting drills. Here were the gunner pairs (left, right): (Washington, Williams), (Anam, Andrews), (Baker, Kight), (Richardson, Gay) - I might have mixed a few of the pairs up, both those were definitely the 8 out there.

-Punt returners: Welker, Faulk, Bam.

-Starting OL: Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur
-Second OL: Britt, Mruczkowski, Hochstein, Yates, O'Callaghan
-Third OL: Hilliard, RANDOM, Elgin, Barthelmes, Oldenburg

-Starting DL: Green, Wilfork, Warren

-Starting LBs: Vrabel (LOLB), Thomas (SILB), Bruschi (WILB), Colvin (ROLB)
-Second LBs: Brown/Rogers (LOLB), Lua/Izzo (SILB), Mays (WILB), Woods (ROLB)

-Seau, in the no-contact jersey, stood about 30 yards behind the play on the 11v11 drills and mimicked whatever he would normally be doing at the line. He was wearing a wrap on his right arm - something he normally wears on both arms.

-Brady put on a black band around his right upper-arm, partially hidden by his white armband there. This is something he did all of last year too.

-Harrison had a wrap on his upper-right arm as well. He wore it last year after his shoulder injury, and it's also something Neal wears frequently.

-With Caserio in there, there was a new set of WR drills this year. Gone were the four-square passing drill and the blocking dummy diving drill. In were a 4-point weaving catch drill and some in/out cut drills.

-Bill O'Brien, the new offensive assistant coach, worked with Caserio on the WRs. In the in/out cut drill, he was close enough to be heard. Bam slipped in on of his cuts and then dropped the pass, so O'Brien made him take the drill over and told him to not spend so much time in his cut. This was a departure from the in-cut drill, where O'Brien had to remind a few of the guys to stutter-step more. Caserio worked the other 4 receivers (including Moss and Caldwell) on the far side.

-Dropped pass brigade: Washington (skeleton drill), Jones (bobble, 4-point catch drill), Gaffney (passing drill), Childress (4-point catch drill), Watson (skeleton drill).

-When Brady came over to practice with the medicine ball and McDaniels near the beginning of the practice, the crowd started to go wild, and Brady did his signature hard clap to pump up the crowd.

-Moss and Welker had plenty of nice catches on the day, drawing cheers from the crowd.

-Generally, Welker and Moss were on the first team (with a random 3rd man for 3-WR sets), and Gaffney/Caldwell/Washington were the 3 second-teamers. Bam, Kight, Dunlap, and Jones were the leftovers, and mainly played defense in the offensive 7v7 drills with Gutierrez, Oldenburg, and the rest of the 3rd teamers.

-Kyle Brady is a large, large man.

-All players had #91 decals on the backs of their helmets.

-Adalius Thomas batted down a pass intended for Kranchick.

-Lots and lots of falling down at the line today. The OL seemed to employ a "knock 'em over" strategy, and the DL was on their butts all day. It was a mosh pit at some points.

-It was hot. Damn hot.

-Matt Patricia was in long pants and a sweatshirt. 'Nuff said.

-Pioli was there the entire time, along with Kraft (not Jonathan, of course - he does all the work). They both chatted it up for a bit, then Pioli fielded a few calls on his phone.

-Hobbs left the field at one point (which I saw), but returned (didn't see that - thanks Mrs. B - who I also saw on her way in with the crew, and chatting it up with Mike Reiss.).

-Signing today were the RBs (and Ivan Fears), plus Brady, Bruschi, Moss, and Vrabel/Woods, who stuck around to practice with each other. I got autographs from Maroney, Evans, Vrabel, and Faulk.

-As we all knew, there was tons and tons of construction going on. This meant for new routes, many walking paths off-limits, and some traffic (and confusion) getting down to the Pro Shop. The Pro Shop, as Reiss pointed out, is definitely temporary. Basically a big balloon.

-More to come, if I can remember...

Pictures:

They're in reverse-chronological order:

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/ekem015/2007-7-27/

dryheat44
07-27-2007, 12:54 PM
Sweet recap.

VJCPatriot
07-27-2007, 01:01 PM
Thanks for recapping. The point that stands out to me is the OL knocking down a lot of guys. That bodes well for the new zone blocking scheme if they are getting early results against one of the most talented DL in the league.

PonyExpress
07-27-2007, 01:01 PM
Awesome work. I like that Vrabel is mentoring Woods.

BelichickFan
07-27-2007, 01:06 PM
I like that Vrabel is mentoring Woods.
A Buckeye helping a Wolverine, who'd have guessed it . . . I know, they're both Patriots now ;)

I read somewhere about Thomas and Vrabel lining up together at ILB at times. I'm envisioning some passing downs with Chad Brown and Colvin outside and Thomas/Vrabel inside . . .

SWelker
07-27-2007, 01:07 PM
Great recap, can't wait for the pics.

WhiZa
07-27-2007, 01:07 PM
Great report. I wonder if the "knock 'em over" strategy goes along with their new zone blocking scheme.

PonyExpress
07-27-2007, 01:18 PM
The Gibbs zone blocking system is predicated on "getting the D-linemen on the ground by any means necessary". If this 1st practice is an indication that the Pats are moving in that direction and away from the power blocking of the past, that's a good think considering their lead rb's strengths. This change was predicted in ProFW some months ago, and probably elsewhere on this board I missed. Definitely worth keeping an eye on...

shmessy
07-27-2007, 01:28 PM
How did that 3rd string OL RANDOM look? I was very high on him coming out of college.

PATSNUTme
07-27-2007, 01:31 PM
Nice Pats1!

Does AD look as big as they were saying in mini camp? They said that he looked huge for a LB.

Lampshade
07-27-2007, 01:37 PM
Great stuff.

pats1
07-27-2007, 01:43 PM
How did that 3rd string OL RANDOM look? I was very high on him coming out of college.

:D

That LG position did change throughout the practice though. I think I saw Barthelmes, Yates, and Mruczkowski all in there, besides Mankins.

pats1
07-27-2007, 01:43 PM
Nice Pats1!

Does AD look as big as they were saying in mini camp? They said that he looked huge for a LB.

He did, yes.

pats1
07-27-2007, 01:44 PM
Pictures are uploading to PhotoBucket right now.

I'll tell you when that damn progress meter moves along some more.

Crowpointer
07-27-2007, 01:45 PM
Great report. Looking forward to Pics.

Patti37
07-27-2007, 02:16 PM
Report:

-When Brady came over to practice with the medicine ball and McDaniels near the beginning of the practice, the crowd started to go wild, and Brady did his signature hard clap to pump up the crowd.



--Signing today were the RBs (and Ivan Fears), plus Brady, Bruschi, Moss, and Vrabel/Woods, who stuck around to practice with each other. I got autographs from Maroney, Evans, Vrabel, and Faulk.



It was exciting to be at the first session despite the heat and 2.5 hour drive home...only took an hour to get there. The media reported that 6,000 fans attended TC today...I believe it.

I think the crowd would have cheered for Brady if he bent down to tie his shoes...he is definitely a New England icon...he earned the title.

I was watching Vrabel and Woods practicing with each...without their shirts I could not figure out who Woods was...at first I thought it was Thomas. I couldn't get a good look at him. Thanks for pointing it out because I was very curious.

Patti37
07-27-2007, 02:18 PM
Nice Pats1!

Does AD look as big as they were saying in mini camp? They said that he looked huge for a LB.

I was surprised at how big AD. I was also surprised at the size of Kyle Brady...I didn't expect him to be so big.

And man is Junior Seau in shape.

pats1
07-27-2007, 02:22 PM
Pictures are up! They're in reverse-chronological order:

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/ekem015/2007-7-27/

patriot lifer
07-27-2007, 02:23 PM
Pictures are up! They're in reverse-chronological order:

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/ekem015/2007-7-27/

Awesome. Great job.

DaBruinz
07-27-2007, 02:28 PM
Thanks Pats1. A great recap...You are second only to Mrs. B.

Crowpointer
07-27-2007, 03:02 PM
Great Job. Looked crowded in that pic you had of the hillside crowd. Were they selling the $4 waters ?:confused:

PATSNUTme
07-27-2007, 03:17 PM
I was surprised at how big AD. I was also surprised at the size of Kyle Brady...I didn't expect him to be so big.

And man is Junior Seau in shape.

K. Brady is suppose to be the size of another OL who can catch adn run if needed.

patsox23
07-27-2007, 03:27 PM
pats1, thanks for your observations, the pics, and also for the insight into new drills, letting us know what "was" and what "is," etc... GREAT stuff, much appreciated.

rabthepat
07-27-2007, 03:28 PM
Thanks allot.

tedylb
07-27-2007, 03:28 PM
Awesome job, pats1! I echo the others. You're the next best thing to being there.

pats1
07-27-2007, 03:53 PM
Great Job. Looked crowded in that pic you had of the hillside crowd. Were they selling the $4 waters ?:confused:

They were down to $3.75 this year!

(You can probably get a 24-pack for that price though, still)

Also up for auction were Gatorades and "Hershey downhill chillers" - a/k/a freeze pops.

Didn't hear that clever vendor this year, though, who makes up little Patriots-related pitches for his products.

Box_O_Rocks
07-27-2007, 04:36 PM
Report:

-Practiced opened up as usual, with punting drills. Here were the gunner pairs (left, right): (Washington, Williams), (Anam, Andrews), (Baker, Kight), (Richardson, Gay) - I might have mixed a few of the pairs up, both those were definitely the 8 out there. Nice mix of speed and size in this crowd.

-Third OL: Hilliard, RANDOM, Elgin, Barthelmes, Oldenburg Interesting, I'd have figured Oldenburg ahead of Hilliard at LT based on the pre-draft write-ups and draft position. Did Barthelmes and Elgin rotate between C/G at all?

-Second LBs: Brown/Rogers (LOLB), Lua/Izzo (SILB), Mays (WILB), Woods (ROLB) Now here's the first raised eyebrow - Woods getting the reps behind Colvin, last season he worked most often on the left side and seemed to have the power to match up against the offense's strong side. I wonder how much his speed/explosion have improved with Woicik, Nash, & Davis working with him this off-season?

-Harrison had a wrap on his upper-right arm as well. He wore it last year after his shoulder injury, and it's also something Neal wears frequently. I believe Neal wears a harness for both shoulders that prevents him lifting his arms beyond a certain point. That wouldn't work for Rodney at Safety though.

-Bill O'Brien, the new offensive assistant coach, worked with Caserio on the WRs. In the in/out cut drill, he was close enough to be heard. Bam slipped in on of his cuts and then dropped the pass, so O'Brien made him take the drill over and told him to not spend so much time in his cut. This was a departure from the in-cut drill, where O'Brien had to remind a few of the guys to stutter-step more. If I'm following you right, the coach wants brisker out-cuts and more shimmy on the in-cuts? That would make sense - during NFLN's coverage of the coverage drills during Senior Bowl week the color guys are always pointing out how the defender needs to take the inside away from the WR, so the WR can be more decisive on an out, and has to work harder going inside.

-Lots and lots of falling down at the line today. The OL seemed to employ a "knock 'em over" strategy, and the DL was on their butts all day. It was a mosh pit at some points. PE's note makes sense, I just hope Dante tries to keep our beloved big guys a little cleaner compared to Gibbs' knee breakers. Thanks Mike! :rocker:

pats1
07-27-2007, 04:42 PM
Thanks Mike! :rocker:

As far as Barthelmes/Elgin goes, that was the first thing that intrigued me this morning. During the warmup session when players were coming out onto the fields, the 4 C's snapping to the 3 QB's were Koppen, Hochstein, Elgin, and Mruczkowski (watching). But no Barthelmes. And that was the way it stayed the entire practice. This is surprising, as you probably know, because Barthelmes played C last preseason while Elgin played G in college.

I also overhead O'Brien telling Bam and the rest to do those stutter steps on the in-cuts for the CBs don't know which way they're going. He only said this after all 4 guys went through the first time without much movement. Hopefully BB and BO (wouldn't want those initials) are on the same page.

TripleOption
07-27-2007, 04:47 PM
The Gibbs zone blocking system is predicated on "getting the D-linemen on the ground by any means necessary". If this 1st practice is an indication that the Pats are moving in that direction and away from the power blocking of the past, that's a good think considering their lead rb's strengths. This change was predicted in ProFW some months ago, and probably elsewhere on this board I missed. Definitely worth keeping an eye on...

No one who went can tell if they ran a Zone scheme? It's fairly distinctive, with a "pin and pull" technique on the Outside Zone (Stretch) Play and the Double and Release look to the Inside Zone. The Scheme blocking will have outside pulls (Power O) and traps.

pats1
07-27-2007, 05:47 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think it was Yates taking the snaps, not Hochstein in that first warmup.

But anyway, I didn't focus much on the DBs as I wanted to today. I'm going again a week from Monday, so I'll see how everything's going then. I wanted to see if Anam was playing CB or SS - I didn't catch that either.

pats1
07-27-2007, 05:49 PM
No one who went can tell if they ran a Zone scheme? It's fairly distinctive, with a "pin and pull" technique on the Outside Zone (Stretch) Play and the Double and Release look to the Inside Zone. The Scheme blocking will have outside pulls (Power O) and traps.

I knew it was a zone scheme when I saw that pileup on the ground multiple times. But the thing is, they weren't really cut blocks. Much more of a, shall we say, truck block. The OL just went whip-action and ran the DL into the ground.

I didn't notice any of the zone-specific blocks, but that was probably because this was a toned-down, slower-paced practice.

TripleOption
07-27-2007, 06:50 PM
I knew it was a zone scheme when I saw that pileup on the ground multiple times. But the thing is, they weren't really cut blocks. Much more of a, shall we say, truck block. The OL just went whip-action and ran the DL into the ground.

I didn't notice any of the zone-specific blocks, but that was probably because this was a toned-down, slower-paced practice.

One of the hallmarks of the Zone scheme is the backside "crush". Everyone away from the play gets cut or knocked down. It's what creates the huge windback lanes.

Drewwho
07-27-2007, 08:22 PM
Guess 'Yankee Hat Gate' is hurting Brady ;)!!!!!

chowder
07-27-2007, 08:30 PM
Hey Pats1! Outstanding report! Keep up the great work!