Props to Vinatieri!

[Colts Bolts]

I just wanna say props.

Props to Adam Vinatieri for winning ANOTHER superbowl ring!

Not only his he great a kicking an oblong ball through the uprights, he is also very shrewd.

After that 27-13 kicking in Denver last year, ol' Adam must have realized that the Patriots window to win another superbowl was closed.

He was a clutch kicker in need of a Championship caliber team and the Colts were a Championship caliber team in need of a clutch kicker.

A marriage made in heaven!

He got his 4th ring and the contract he deserves, to boot. (to boot, ha ha. Get it?)

Props to you Adam Vinatieri! You da man!

[unoriginal]

In before the lock.

[upstater1]

I just wanna say props.

Props to Adam Vinatieri for winning ANOTHER superbowl ring!

Not only his he great a kicking an oblong ball through the uprights, he is also very shrewd.

After that 27-13 kicking in Denver last year, ol' Adam must have realized that the Patriots window to win another superbowl was closed.

He was a clutch kicker in need of a Championship caliber team and the Colts were a Championship caliber team in need of a clutch kicker.

A marriage made in heaven!

He got his 4th ring and the contract he deserves, to boot. (to boot, ha ha. Get it?)

Props to you Adam Vinatieri! You da man!


You're right. Adam BLEW a HUGE kick in that Denver game, and realized it was time to get out of town, because he is starting to miss cheap shot field goals (as in the 2 against New England this year, and the one EASY one in the Super Bowl). He had to salvage his reputation, so he took off and went to miss kicks for Indy.

[Clonamery]

I just wanna say props.

Props to Adam Vinatieri for winning ANOTHER superbowl ring!

Not only his he great a kicking an oblong ball through the uprights, he is also very shrewd.

After that 27-13 kicking in Denver last year, ol' Adam must have realized that the Patriots window to win another superbowl was closed.

He was a clutch kicker in need of a Championship caliber team and the Colts were a Championship caliber team in need of a clutch kicker.

A marriage made in heaven!

He got his 4th ring and the contract he deserves, to boot. (to boot, ha ha. Get it?)

Props to you Adam Vinatieri! You da man!

Yankee fan.

[Colts Bolts]

Pleez tell me that you Pats fans aren't bitter just cuz Adam decided to move on to "greener pastures".

You're right. Adam BLEW a HUGE kick in that Denver game, and realized it was time to get out of town, because he is starting to miss cheap shot field goals (as in the 2 against New England this year, and the one EASY one in the Super Bowl). He had to salvage his reputation, so he took off and went to miss kicks for Indy.

[Clonamery]

Pleez tell me that you Pats fans aren't bitter just cuz Adam decided to move on to "greener pastures".

No, just confused by your name. It would seem to imply a childish attachment of two NFL teams but I realize it may just be some sort of homosexual reference.

[khayos]

Pleez tell me that you Pats fans aren't bitter just cuz Adam decided to move on to "greener pastures".

What do you eat down there that makes your bulls**t green?

[mikiemo83]

Pleez tell me that you Pats fans aren't bitter just cuz Adam decided to move on to "domed pastures". I fixed it for you... dam knowing his skills are starting to erode went to a Dome team to allow him to look better than he is for a couple more years - age has a way of doing that to players

[skaIownsIyou]

hahaah colts bolts....

he loves the bolts b/c they were 14-2 and had the mvp...and he loves the cotls b/c they just won a superbowl....

next season....he'll come back as the cardinal niners b/c they'll start to look like good teams....

[Rob0729]

I just wanna say props.

Props to Adam Vinatieri for winning ANOTHER superbowl ring!

Not only his he great a kicking an oblong ball through the uprights, he is also very shrewd.

After that 27-13 kicking in Denver last year, ol' Adam must have realized that the Patriots window to win another superbowl was closed.

He was a clutch kicker in need of a Championship caliber team and the Colts were a Championship caliber team in need of a clutch kicker.

A marriage made in heaven!

He got his 4th ring and the contract he deserves, to boot. (to boot, ha ha. Get it?)

Props to you Adam Vinatieri! You da man!

Funny, he went from a team that window is closing to a team that window is just about shut. Shrewd move. He knew he could have a shot at one more Super Bowl and then coast downward with the Colts as they slide.

If he stayed with the Pats, he knew he would have to make important kicks in big games for the next 3-4 years. The Colts only have about a year or two left to be a serous playoff contender and then he will have no pressure into his twilight years. In two years, he can sit at home come playoff time and watch the AFC South champs -Tennessee Titans have to face the Pats in the playoffs.

[Willie55]

Pleez tell me that you Pats fans aren't bitter just cuz Adam decided to move on to "greener pastures".

The Pats have a younger kicker who kicks the ball further for cheaper money (and is just as accurate).

[Rob0729]

Pleez tell me that you Pats fans aren't bitter just cuz Adam decided to move on to "greener pastures".

Who's bitter? I think the Pats are better off without him. I like Gostkowski more at this point. He is younger, cheaper, and we should get a third or fourth round compensatory pick for Vinatieri. Besides, Gostkowski is worlds better at kick offs than Vinatieri and has been as clutch as Vinatieri.

Name one thing Vinatieri did in the playoffs that Gostkowski didn't do? In fact, only one of the two kickers made a clutch game winning field goal in the playoffs and it wasn't Vinatieri.

I have felt for a while that Vinatieri has been overrated for past accomplishments. He was horrible in 2003 and even in the Super Bowl that year eventhough his last second field goal erased the memory of a horrible performance by him in that game. He has been injury prone in his last few years (and this year did nothing to erase that) and he ain't getting any younger. I will always appreciate what he did in the past for the Pats, but I was not upset to see him go. I am happier we have Gostkowski than overpay for Vinatieri who's health is going to be a question mark going forward with his back problems and injuries this year.

[Colts Bolts]

I love how you Pats fans are trying to cover up for your teams deficiencies by telling yourselves that the Colts won't be good next year.

Let me tell you something. The Colts are locked and loaded and will be at the top of the NFL for a long time. Manning, Wayne, Harrison, Addai, Sanders, Vinatieri. These guys ain't goin nowhere!

Not only that, veteran FA will now be willing to accept less money to play for the Colts knowing that the Colts give them the best chance of winning a ring.

Funny, he went from a team that window is closing to a team that window is just about shut. Shrewd move. He knew he could have a shot at one more Super Bowl and then coast downward with the Colts as they slide.

If he stayed with the Pats, he knew he would have to make important kicks in big games for the next 3-4 years. The Colts only have about a year or two left to be a serous playoff contender and then he will have no pressure into his twilight years. In two years, he can sit at home come playoff time and watch the AFC South champs -Tennessee Titans have to face the Pats in the playoffs.

[Rob0729]

By the way, I love how Colts fans talk about the Patriots' window closing. It seems that they forget that it took a last minute Colts' TD and a ill-advised bad throw by Brady to have the Colts and not the Pats go to the Super Bowl. As bad as the Pats played in the second half of the AFCC, they could have easily won that game if one or two plays went the other way. It wasn't like the Colts destroyed the Pats.

And the thing is, the Pats have more draft picks and tons more cap space to get better this offseason. The Colts on the other hand can basically try to keep what they have together and that is no guarantee since Cato June will probably be too expensive and someone is going to pay Dominick Rhodes to compete for serious playing time.

[Colts Bolts]

I don't know which event of 2006 I found more enjoyable. Vinatieri signing with the Colts? Or Damon signing with the Yankees?

They were both great!

Yankee fan.

[Colts Bolts]

Keep telling yourself that, Willie. It will help to ease the pain of another season down the drain!

The Pats have a younger kicker who kicks the ball further for cheaper money (and is just as accurate).

[Rob0729]

I love how you Pats fans are trying to cover up for your teams deficiencies by telling yourselves that the Colts won't be good next year.

Let me tell you something. The Colts are locked and loaded and will be at the top of the NFL for a long time. Manning, Wayne, Harrison, Addai, Sanders, Vinatieri. These guys ain't goin nowhere!

Not only that, veteran FA will now be willing to accept less money to play for the Colts knowing that the Colts give them the best chance of winning a ring.

Who said next year I say in a couple of years. Harrison isn't getting any younger. Neither is Glenn or Vinatieri or Saturday. Those guys are starting to hit the age of diminishing returns.

Sanders isn't going anywhere other than the injury report. Good for you! You have an All Pro who can actually be healthy enough to play 4-6 games a year.

The Pats have deficiencies, but so do the Colts. The horrible running defense may have been covered up in the playoffs, but it probably won't in a 16 game season especially if Rob Morris, Cato June, and a few others are gone. The Colts weren't the most talented team in the league and finished the regular season with the same record as the Pats and never lead the Pats in the AFCC until there was about 1 minute left in the game. The Pats and Colts aren't far away from each other talentwise and the Pats have tons of cap room and two more first day picks to get better.

The Pats will most likely be better next year because they have the flexibility to upgrade a lot of areas. The Colts can only maintain and do minor upgrades. The Pats were "this close" from winning a conference championship and the Colts were 'this close" from losing. The Pats are still on a upswing with tons of room to get better while the Colts are on a decline just holding it together while key stars are getting past their prime.

[unoriginal]

...we should get a third or fourth round compensatory pick for Vinatieri...

The Pats will be lucky to get a sixth round compensatory pick for Vinatieri.

[Rob0729]

Keep telling yourself that, Willie. It will help to ease the pain of another season down the drain!

Yeah, because the loss of Vinatieri meant so much to the Pats. If we had Vinatieri. We would have lost the AFC Championship game rather than losing the AFC Championship game. It doesn't seem like a difference, but ask any moron Colts' troll he he'll tell you there is.

[upstater1]

Name one thing Vinatieri did in the playoffs that Gostkowski didn't do?

Ghost didn't miss a big kick.

[upstater1]

I don't know which event of 2006 I found more enjoyable. Vinatieri signing with the Colts? Or Damon signing with the Yankees?

They were both great!

Yeah damon lead them to victor---um, nah, they lost. And Damon is getting older, and every year they don't win with an old relic in CF is a good year for the Sox.

[ctpatsfan77]

Yeah, because the loss of Vinatieri meant so much to the Pats. If we had Vinatieri. We would have lost the AFC Championship game rather than losing the AFC Championship game. It doesn't seem like a difference, but ask any moron Colts' troll he he'll tell you there is.

Actually, if we had Vinatieri, we'd probably have LOST to the Chargers. . . . you think BB would have let AV try that 50-yarder now?

[Rob0729]

The Pats will be lucky to get a sixth round compensatory pick for Vinatieri.

I don't know how you say that. Vinatieri's salary averages $2.5 million a year. That should be a fourth or fifth rounder at worst. I might have jumped the gun with third rounder, but I think based on last year's compesatory picks it was a fifth rounder.

[PatsFaninAZ]

I think the Colts actually lucked out twice on Vinatieri.

If we had him, the Chargers probably would have played in the superbowl.

[unoriginal]

I don't know how you say that. Vinatieri's salary averages $2.5 million a year. That should be a fourth or fifth rounder at worst. I might have jumped the gun with third rounder, but I think based on last year's compesatory picks it was a fifth rounder.
I misspoke. I should have said they will most likely get a sixth rounder.

[richpats]

Not only that, veteran FA will now be willing to accept less money

The most misguided thing you've ever posted.

[spacecrime]

I think the Colts actually lucked out twice on Vinatieri.

If we had him, the Chargers probably would have played in the superbowl.:rofl: Good one, the best of 2007 so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yankees/Colts]

The Colts would not have won the Super Bowl without Vinatieri, so I have to thank you for that.

Vinatieri had his best postseason ever, right? He only missed one kick, and that was in the driving rain. Still, he was 3 for 4 in the Super Bowl even with terrible holds. Vinatieri won the Raven game and only missed 3 FGs all year. This may have been his best year ever.

Vanderjagt would have shanked some of those kicks vs. the Ravens and Pats.

I noticed where one guy earlier in the thread said the Colts window is closing. The Colts either have the youngest or second youngest team in the NFL, I believe. Peyton is in his prime. Peyton is only one year and several months older than Brady. Addai is just a rookie. Harrison is the only one getting up there, but Reggie Wayne is ready to become the go-to #1 guy while Marvin will become the #2. The rest of the team is very young.

[Yankees/Colts]

Actually, if we had Vinatieri, we'd probably have LOST to the Chargers. . . . you think BB would have let AV try that 50-yarder now?

Vinatieri just made a 51 yarder the day before vs. the Ravens.

I think the Colts actually lucked out twice on Vinatieri.

If we had him, the Chargers probably would have played in the superbowl.

Colts/Bolts sounds like a Charger fan to me, so you are probably making him happy with this.

Beyond that, had the Chargers shown the same amount of stupidity and made the same mistakes vs. the Colts, they would have lost by more than 3 points. I can assure you of that.

[Rob0729]

Not only that, veteran FA will now be willing to accept less money to play for the Colts knowing that the Colts give them the best chance of winning a ring.

How many players took less money to play for the Steelers last offseason? How many players did the Pats take at a cheaper price during their three Super Bowl run because of the chance to play for a Super Bowl contender? More importantly, how many players did the Pats lose because they had their rings and wanted to get paid and didn't care as much about winning since they already won?

The Pats had two named players take less money to come to the Patriots during their run that I can think of. One was Rosevelt Colvin and the other was Corey Dillon. Only Bruschi and Brady took major hometown discounts to stay with the Pats. As for players looking for money rather than staying and trying to continue the dynasty, I can think of Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Tebuckey Jones, Ted Washington, Damien Woody, David Givens, Deion Branch, Adam Vinatieri, Matt Chatham, Tim Dwight, and David Patten.

So this whole wanting to play for a championship contender thing is bogus. They may choose a championship contender if the money is close, but they aren't going to take a huge discount. Besides, the speculation about Dungy retiring soon will offset that since no one is going to want to sign with a team to play for a championship if he thinks the head coach could retire after the season.

[Colts Bolts]

Vinatieri made a 51 yarder the week before vs the Ravens so I don't know why you would make a stupid statment like that.

AV made 14 of 15 FG in the playoffs and 7 of 7 PAT's. The guy was NAILS.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/FG/2006/post

Actually, if we had Vinatieri, we'd probably have LOST to the Chargers. . . . you think BB would have let AV try that 50-yarder now?

[Clonamery]

Vinatieri made a 51 yarder the week before vs the Ravens so I don't know why you would make a stupid statment like that.

AV made 14 of 15 FG in the playoffs and 7 of 7 PAT's. The guy was NAILS.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/FG/2006/post

I thought you were posting from Yankee Stadium? I wish you would stay with one name or the other..............Colts/Bolts or Yankees/Colts.

Either way you should be banned for bad taste.

[Yankees/Colts]

I don't think the Colts have any UFAs they want to keep except Freeney and maybe Rob Morris. Freeney isn't going anywhere. Rob Morris won't be in high demand and won't go anywhere.

[Colts Bolts]

Just as accurate, huh?

The fact say otherwise.

AV was 25 of 28 on FG this year (38 of 38 PAT)

Gostkowski? 20 of 26 FG and 43 of 44 PAT.

Advantage: Vinatieri

The Pats have a younger kicker who kicks the ball further for cheaper money (and is just as accurate).

[MoLewisrocks]

I guess this bi-troll doesn't get enough attention in the interleague forum so he comes here looking for it and guess what - it gets it.

I know it's slow and rehashing Asante sign or tag is boring but these forums are basically what the members make them, and if you allow trolls to dominate (by driving their threads) they will just start multiplying like the vermin they are. If they know they get nothing here but mocked in a lightly subscribed interleague forum they lose interest quickly and crawl back to mommy's basement.

And if we can't self police as a group, which is what ignore would do, then the mods should do what they are actually empowered to do, lock 'em and/or move 'em IMHO. And if the trolls can't play by the rules and keep their mindless smack talk in that forum, they should be locked out of this one or canned altogether.

Engaging them only rewards them and then you end up with them spewing their crap into exsting threads in an attempt to hijack them. It's a long off season with potentially lots to talk about - that crap just makes it tougher to have reasonably intelligent Patriots related discussions here - which is what this forum was intended for.

:trolls:

[Colts Bolts]

What is your problem, MoLewis?

I'm just here engaging in some legitimate conversation about ex-Patriot Adam Vinatieri. Got a problem wit dat?

I guess this bi-troll doesn't get enough attention in the interleague forum so he comes here looking for it and guess what - it gets it.

I know it's slow and rehashing Asante sign or tag is boring but these forums are basically what the members make them, and if you allow trolls to dominate (by driving their threads) they will just start multiplying like the vermin they are. If they know they get nothing here but mocked in a lightly subscribed interleague forum they lose interest quickly and crawl back to mommy's basement.

And if we can't self police as a group, which is what ignore would do, then the mods should do what they are actually empowered to do, lock 'em and/or move 'em IMHO. And if the trolls can't play by the rules and keep their mindless smack talk in that forum, they should be locked out of this one or canned altogether.

Engaging them only rewards them and then you end up with them spewing their crap into exsting threads in an attempt to hijack them. It's a long off season with potentially lots to talk about - that crap just makes it tougher to have reasonably intelligent Patriots related discussions here - which is what this forum was intended for.

:trolls:

[zippo59]

Vinatieri made a 51 yarder the week before vs the Ravens so I don't know why you would make a stupid statment like that.

AV made 14 of 15 FG in the playoffs and 7 of 7 PAT's. The guy was NAILS.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/FG/2006/post

On that 51 yard kick the ball just made it through by bouncing off the cross bar. I don't see how that inspires confidence about his leg strength.

The past three years he was here Belichick wouldn't have him try anything over the high forties.

[Willie55]

Just as accurate, huh?

The fact say otherwise.

AV was 25 of 28 on FG this year (38 of 38 PAT)

Gostkowski? 20 of 26 FG and 43 of 44 PAT.

Advantage: Vinatieri

One missed FG was kicking on crappy sod. Another two were blocked.

Good luck next year when Adam's kicking kickoffs to 10 yard line and kick anything longer than a 45 yard field goal.

[Rob0729]

The Colts would not have won the Super Bowl without Vinatieri, so I have to thank you for that.

Vinatieri had his best postseason ever, right? He only missed one kick, and that was in the driving rain. Still, he was 3 for 4 in the Super Bowl even with terrible holds. Vinatieri won the Raven game and only missed 3 FGs all year. This may have been his best year ever.

Vanderjagt would have shanked some of those kicks vs. the Ravens and Pats.

I noticed where one guy earlier in the thread said the Colts window is closing. The Colts either have the youngest or second youngest team in the NFL, I believe. Peyton is in his prime. Peyton is only one year and several months older than Brady. Addai is just a rookie. Harrison is the only one getting up there, but Reggie Wayne is ready to become the go-to #1 guy while Marvin will become the #2. The rest of the team is very young.

The Colts aren't any younger than the Patriots. The Problem is that the Colts are getting older at key positions. Harrison is a 1300 yard WR, but he cannot do that forever. Even if become a #2, it will be a huge drop off in talent if he even becomes a 1000 yard WR. So that is a big deal. The o-line is getting old at it's most important positions - LT and center. That is also huge.

Age of the team doesn't mean as much if the key players are the ones getting old. I wasn't talking so much about Manning as the players around him.

Also, the Colts unlike the Pats have a huge amount of money tied up to four or five players. It will even be worse if they resign Freeney because he will be paid the highest d-lineman contract in league history or close to it. That is going to hurt them in retaining other free agents. The Pats don't do that.

[JoeSixPat]

You're right. Adam BLEW a HUGE kick in that Denver game, and realized it was time to get out of town, because he is starting to miss cheap shot field goals (as in the 2 against New England this year, and the one EASY one in the Super Bowl). He had to salvage his reputation, so he took off and went to miss kicks for Indy.

I give a lot of credit to Vinateiri - I agree.

Let the record show that in order to end their string of Playoff Chokes, the Colts had to import a Patriot player to teach them how to win.

Congratulations to AV!

[Tunescribe]

One missed FG was kicking on crappy sod. Another two were blocked.

Good luck next year when Adam's kicking kickoffs to 10 yard line and kick anything longer than a 45 yard field goal.

I think you make a good point here. He has nowhere to go but down. As good a year as he had, I'm not sure he was all that instrumental in the Colts' Super Bowl run.

[RyanTheColtsFan]

I think you make a good point here. He has nowhere to go but down. As good a year as he had, I'm not sure he was all that instrumental in the Colts' Super Bowl run.

Yeah, I mean... those zero points scored by the offense/defense against the Ravens would have done it.

[Tunescribe]

Yeah, I mean... those zero points scored by the offense/defense against the Ravens would have done it.

He didn't need two of those five field goals and you know it. How many kickers in the league could've made three of those five? I'm guessing pretty much all of them, even your old pal Vanderjerk. Tell me: how many clutch game-winning field goals did AV make for the Colts this past season?

[everlong]

Ryan do you think you win the SB without AV?

I do.

Nice signature, made me laugh.

[pats1]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/XLIparade.jpg

Colts parade.

http://www.patriotworld.com/Imagesposts03a/kraftty.jpg

Patriots parade. (Thanks Mrs. B)


'Nuff said.

[Willie55]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/XLIparade.jpg

Colts parade.

http://www.patriotworld.com/Imagesposts03a/kraftty.jpg

Patriots parade. (Thanks Mrs. B)


'Nuff said.

Are they riding in pick-up trucks? Hill-billies!!

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Why did this thread get moved to Fantasy Football?

Regards,
Chris

[skaIownsIyou]

Keep telling yourself that, Willie. It will help to ease the pain of another season down the drain!

ROFLROFL....he's only using this ONE superbowl victory to ease the pain of ....peyton manning's whole career....

relief eh? coming into 10 years now....

[BB_dynasty]

Colts bolts, I am sorry, but try reading some articles about the NFL or something, because you are making me sad about how little you know about football.

And think about this, AV is getting older, he is wanting more money, and i respect that, because of what he has done, and no one here can deny that he was a great player during the Pats super bowl run. but then you have to realize, that when someone is getting older, you don't really want to invest a lot of money into them, if you could have somebody come in to replace them. Gostkowski came in and he did a good job replacing Vinataeri, and did not make any key errors. I would rather be able to have that extra money to spend on someone like Randy Moss, Adalius Thomas, or Dante Stallworth, if you know what i mean. Those are the players that can change a game.

Colts Bolts:
And by the way, what were the colts thinking when drafting Tony Ugoh?
they could have gotten him in the third round, there were people way better at the same position ahead of him, and he wasn't on most teams draft boards at that time.

[PatFan1932]

That and they (Colts) could use that money to shore up some of those holes in there defense this year. AV is no Troy Brown, I don't see him playing corner this year for the Colts... Oh wait, he may have to!