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[pats1]

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November 19, 2006
Welcome to Lambeau

GREEN BAY -- Welcome to Lambeau Field, where the Patriots visit the Packers today (1 p.m. ET).

The current temperatue is 36 degrees, it's a bit cloudy, and a fairly strong wind has the flags rippling. Conditions shouldn't be much of a factor today.

Mike Carey is the referee today. Carey's crew has flagged teams for an average of 13.6 assessed penalties per game. That's a bit higher than the league average for assessed penalties, which is 12.3. Carey's crew has had nine calls challenged by the instant replay system, with only two reversals.

Posted By: mreiss | Time: 10:31:09 AM

[Brownfan80]

I'm pretty nervous about this game. If there's been a 'must win' game so far this season, this is it. Actually I guess last week was it, from a Division standpoint, but still.

[PATSNUTme]

I don't post during the game as I'm too intense and could say some awful things to those who post stupid remarks.

However here are what I see as keys to this game:

Defense:

1. Limit Green to under 70 yards rushing
2. put pressure on Lord Farve up the middle and contain him on the ends.
3. Who will be covering Bubba Franks from our depleted safety corps?

Offense:

1. use max protection and turn Watson loose
2. Corey,Corey Corey- he can be a big factor if we get blocking at the second level
3. Go deep several times and hopefully hit a couple to keep them from stacking the box and blitzing. Then use some paly action if #2 works out.

ST's
1. Don't allow any big run backs on punts and KO's.

And finally the most important: NO TURNOVERS

[Box_O_Rocks]

I don't post during the game as I'm too intense and could say some awful things to those who post stupid remarks.

However here are what I see as keys to this game:

Defense:

1. Limit Green to under 70 yards rushing My cold/meds must be tweeking my mind even further from the norm - I had this mental image of Jarvis Green running with the ball while wondering why you would mention him. :p
2. put pressure on Lord Farve up the middle and contain him on the ends.
3. Who will be covering Bubba Franks from our depleted safety corps? Vrabel/Bruschi

Offense:

1. use max protection and turn Watson loose
2. Corey,Corey Corey- he can be a big factor if we get blocking at the second level
3. Go deep several times and hopefully hit a couple to keep them from stacking the box and blitzing. Then use some paly action if #2 works out. Okay NEM. :rolleyes:

ST's
1. Don't allow any big run backs on punts and KO's.

And finally the most important: NO TURNOVERSThe house smells like chili on the stove, there were a few flakes of snow testing the seasonability, and there's a jar of cough drops by the chair for maintenance after the chili cure does it's thing. Go Pats!

[pats1]

http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/3839/felgiees1.jpg

[QuinielaBox]

My lucky bar closed last week on me. I need to find another lucky bar.

[PATSNUTme]

The house smells like chili on the stove, there were a few flakes of snow testing the seasonability, and there's a jar of cough drops by the chair for maintenance after the chili cure does it's thing. Go Pats!

Notice I said play action IF we run the ball effectively. I didn't say force the play action, slants, go routes, if they aren't there - big difference.

[fgssand]

My lucky bar closed last week on me. I need to find another lucky bar.

Desperate times call for desperate measures....we may need to re-open that bar if this slide continues.

[pats1]

Spann promoted, Mruczkowski released.

[SeanBruschi54]

http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/3839/felgiees1.jpg
WTF!!!:mad:

[MoLewisrocks]

Dierdorf kind of summed it up - Patriots limping into Lambeau. Troy will play nickle. It's as if we're stuck in some perverse time warp. Not much you can do but ask guys to step up now, but the FO better step up next season. The catestrophic big play looms again against a gunslinger who pulls the playcall out of his ass and I think being susceptible to that AGAIN drains the entire team.

I also think DeOssie hit the nail on the head in his keys to the game - it is imperative we win the battle in both trenches today.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Nice TD Grahambo and Brady!

[PatsSteve1]

Nice efficient drive. Stay efficient

[MoLewisrocks]

Well we are off to a pretty darned good start. Still odd that Corey carries on first and 10 from the 11 then comes out for second and third and 6 inside the 10. Looked to me like a lousy spot on Troy's catch. Brady looks pretty accurate today. Good thing whatever that was with Watson didn't go as badly as it could have. Maybe our luck is changing.

[FSUPatsFan]

Well we are off to a pretty darned good start. Still odd that Corey carries on first and 10 from the 11 then comes out for second and third and 6 inside the 10. Looked to me like a lousy spot on Troy's catch. Brady looks pretty accurate today. Good thing whatever that was with Watson didn't go as badly as it could have. Maybe our luck is changing.

What happened with Watson? I'm watching on Gamecast and it said he had a 0 yd reception. Then all of a sudden the pats are inside the 10 and he had 36 recieving yds.

[PatsSteve1]

Watson caught a 36 yard pass down the middle. A GB DB stripped the balll out as he was being tackled and Gaffney fell on it. Gaffeny seems a heads up kinda player

[DefenseRules]

What happened with Watson? I'm watching on Gamecast and it said he had a 0 yd reception. Then all of a sudden the pats are inside the 10 and he had 36 recieving yds.

Watson caught the ball but then it looked like he fumbled but it was recovered by us. :D

[AJain]

Hi Guys,
I am in NYC where the game IS NOT televised...any radio station you know that covers the game in NYC?
Thanks!

[MoLewisrocks]

What happened with Watson? I'm watching on Gamecast and it said he had a 0 yd reception. Then all of a sudden the pats are inside the 10 and he had 36 recieving yds.

It appeared they stripped the ball as he was going down. Not clear on replay if his knee was down or not but either he or Gaffney recovered if it was in fact fumbled.

Well this series was prettu underwhelming. And Miller is beginning to concern me. Not quite shades of his predecessor, but his punts are definitely getting shorter.

Ellis just got away with one.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Naughty Ellis...:)

[Box_O_Rocks]

So who is #80 for the Pats again? :D

[DefenseRules]

Not good. Let's hope the D can hold them back.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Koppen getting knocked on his can didn't help whatever just happened.

[MoLewisrocks]

WTF is it with this team and turnovers....freakin' fundamentalitis.

[Chris]

i dont get it, what did gabriel due to deserve the bench now two games in a row? he hasnt played a snap..

[DefenseRules]

Sweet!! No points. :D

[PatsSteve1]

I don't know if the GB player at Brady's feet caused the fumble or not but it was a muffed exchange. No points given up so it kinda negates the fumble.

[MoLewisrocks]

Missed FG - the football gods gave us a mulligan. Time to get our heads out of our asses and thank him for that break.

Thanks Bingo.

[DefenseRules]

WTF is it with this team and turnovers....freakin' fundamentalitis.

It's the fumbles that concern me the most Mo. I can understand picks. Sometimes DBs make good plays. But I think that it's important for us to take care of the football, no need to help out the bad guys. :p

[SVN]

It's the fumbles that concern me the most Mo. I can understand picks. Sometimes DBs make good plays. But I think that it's important to take care of the football.
put that in the "its not the same team as in the past category"
Those team never made dumb mistakes...someone on nfl countdown pointed out rightly...you no longer have to play absolutely perfect to expect to beat the pats...

[Box_O_Rocks]

Dang, Jest are playing tough with the Bears and threatening to score, nice 3rd down play Penny to Dwightening.

[Chris]

looks like new policy for the pats is you fumble, you dont play.. no dillon since his fumble

[Box_O_Rocks]

Another 4th down play - Evans!!!

[DefenseRules]

Nice execution on that 4th down run. I like that. :D

[pats-blue]

Maroney needs to hit the holes quicker....stop dancing, he could have broke that for several more with his speed if he uses it

[shakadave]

Stupid rubbermouth Gil Santos. On Faulk's 3rd down run he shouts out triumphantly "Faulk for a first down!" Then as usual he's wrong. He's right about as often as a flipped coin would be.

[pats-blue]

You know they just showed Gabriels fumble again....it really didn't look like he was that careless with the ball. He was just trying to run full out and didn't feel the defender behind him. Would like him in there. wow GREAT effort by Vrabel!!

[Box_O_Rocks]

Nice look at Vrabes' effort, looks like Cory is hurt again.

[DefenseRules]

Uh oh, it looks like Dillon's hurt. I hope it's not serious.

[shakadave]

Idiot rubbermouth Gil Santos exclaimed "touchdown!" on Vrabel's non-touchdown. The guy gets my hopes up at all the wrong times. A flipped coin is accurate more than Gil is.

[MoLewisrocks]

Nice drive. Hope that's not Corey laying on the ground.

[SVN]

who is the hurt pats player ?

[Patsfanin Philly]

Slightly OT -What's the record for receiving yds in agame-300?. Lee Evans has 200 for Buf in the first quarter.........

[Box_O_Rocks]

You know they just showed Gabriels fumble again....it really didn't look like he was that careless with the ball. He was just trying to run full out and didn't feel the defender behind him. Would like him in there. wow GREAT effort by Vrabel!!
Agree, not knowing anything about his history, I have to say to wasn't a bad fumble as some go.

Jets must have been stuffed after getting inside the Chicago 10, still nothing all.

[SVN]

now our secondary will be tested more...favre will throw more with the packers behind

[PatsWickedPissah]

Good effort by the D so far

[SVN]

faulk should just go down instead of dancing around with the ball as if he is going to score a TD....every time he receives a punt its an ordeal for me...

[lutontown_fc]

Dillon Hurt?

Also 3 penalties already - very sloppy.

NM

[PatsSteve1]

Gabriel ws on the field. I suspect it wasn't lust his fumble that caused his not playing status for awhile but maybe he wasn't paying attention to detail, or whatever, in other ways. So far, the Patriots are winning the LOS which is always a good sign. False start #68. 3 already.

[mcbee]

Looks like the Pats aren't stinking up the joint at least.

A win over the pack is respectable. Maybe they can build on it.

We'll see when they face the Bears. Da Bears.

If the Pats(ies) aren't playing GAbriel b/c of the fumble, then that's just not right. Everyone fumbles occassionally. Belichick has fumbled half the season away. Should he be benched?

[DefenseRules]

Is it just me or does Josh seem a little off on his punts lately.:confused:

[Box_O_Rocks]

Nice one by our Vince.

[PatsSteve1]

Miller started the year off well punting but the last 4 or 5 games it's dropped off a lot. The KR coverage has been good today so far.

[PatsWickedPissah]

WHAT is the problem with out punting?

And why isn't Lord favre given the hook???

[PatsSteve1]

Brett has very helpful to the Patriots cause so far. Only 4 of 14, 35 yards and he's had a few open recievers. Brady on the other hand looks pretty accurate today.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Is it just me or does Josh seem a little off on his punts lately.:confused:I've thought the coverage and punter have been out of sync, but haven't felt Josh was losing any leg.

Tommy moving well today. Thanks Al Harris!

[SVN]

looks to me like maroney's style would be great back for a zone blocking scheme

[Box_O_Rocks]

Reche !!!!!!!! Way to go Bubba!

[F.B.N.]

Play action ....NEM phoned that one in.

[DefenseRules]

Awesome play.:D McDaniels is calling a good game so far this week. :D

[MoLewisrocks]

That was a thing of beauty. Hope NEM's happy at the Vine - at least if the kid OC is gonna make him look silly it's nice to see him mix in a little play action.

[PatsFan24]

LETS GO PATS!!!!!!!! anyone else get a kick out of seeing those mock cheeseheads? :)

[PaulNEPats]

Great performance by the Pats so far- just what the doctor ordered!

[PatsSteve1]

I was just thinking that Brady's had time to pass on a few plays but apparently couldn't find anyone open. Caldwell was open -:)

[SVN]

faulk ...*gulp*....recoverd the fumble...

[pats-blue]

Looks like Farvre has a Aulner nerve issue to me. I had that and grabbed my arm in all the same spots. Hurts like hell and no strength...probably just got it pinched.

[Patsfanin Philly]

Why don't they take Favre into the lockerroom and Xray it now instead of waiting for halftime????

McNabb is also hurt....hope Tom stays vertical.....

[SVN]

question..does is look like fans in lambeau are standing most of time ? or maybe the seats are too close ..as compared to what i see in gillette...regardless of the game...the crowd looks great in lambeau than what i have seen in gillette..probably the structure of the stadium is also a factor too

[SVN]

bears have -1 yards net passing in the first half !!

[jefmblrd]

Looks like the Packers are trying to use their twelfth man to beat the Pats, the guy in the golf cart taking Favre off the field almost hit Ellis Hobbs. Geez, you'd think the guy could slow down around the players.

[Fanfrom1960]

Why don't they take Favre into the lockerroom and Xray it now instead of waiting for halftime????

McNabb is also hurt....hope Tom stays vertical.....
Rodgers is a pretty good scrambler and obviously throws well also. Maybe this is the time the young lion (Packer) takes over? Cal Bears could have used Rodgers last night.

[DefenseRules]

bears have -1 yards net passing in the first half !!

That is a very strange game going on in New York.

[SVN]

Looks like the Packers are trying to use their twelfth man to beat the Pats, the guy in the golf cart taking Favre off the field almost hit Ellis Hobbs. Geez, you'd think the guy could slow down around the players.
as great as our D has played today...hobbs has been beat on more than one occasion..luckily favre missed

[ironwasp]

I can't see this game tonight but following stats etc. I have two questions I'd be grateful for help on.

1 - Are Gabriel and Jackson out there? No sign of either

2 - Is Hawk looking the stud expected? He seems to be in on every play...

[lutontown_fc]

Nice run by maroney?

Any news about Dillon?

NM

[DefenseRules]

as great as our D has played today...hobbs has been beat on more than one occasion..luckily favre missed

Yep, that is a concern. Ah jeez, is that Mankins I just saw on the ground? :(

[SVN]

mankins is hurt now...#$%%!!!! injuries...

[jefmblrd]

Good to see Mankins back in there.

[DefenseRules]

The execution on that toss play to Maroney is a work in progress. :p

[SVN]

one thing our offense doesnt seem to do is keep up the pressure..they never seem to play consistently great for 4 quarters...sure GB D has adjusted but they somehow somewhere take a quarter off...even used to happen a bit in our championship teams...

[PatsSteve1]

A 33 yard punt. That isn't very good at all.

[ironwasp]

Is it very windy? this is unlike Josh Miller

[DefenseRules]

A 33 yard punt. That isn't very good at all.

That's not like Josh at all, IMO.

[jefmblrd]

The Patriots need to take the ball, sustain a drive, and put this thing away on their own terms.

[DefenseRules]

A Chad Jackson sighting.
Nice catch kid. :D

[ironwasp]

The Patriots need to take the ball, sustain a drive, and put this thing away on their own terms.
you're right, and it looks theyre getting it done

[PatsSteve1]

Brady is on today. Some very well thrown balls today.

[jefmblrd]

wow what a throw and catch from Brady to Watson; it's great to see that.

[MoLewisrocks]

That's not like Josh at all, IMO.

Over the last month or so he's been on a bigger downward curve than anyone on the team - just going relatively unnoticed with all the other issues under discussion.



Well kiddies, I guess Tommy is off the schnide after this game, and while BB still has some issues to deal with (including fumbilitis and consistency from the Oline) it may be time to start focusing some attention on the punter.

[DefenseRules]

Brady is on today. Some very well thrown balls today.

Yes he is, and he looks like he's having a lot of fun out there today. :)

[PatsSteve1]

Brady fumbled. Why doesn't BB bench him? -:)

[DefenseRules]

Phew, that was ugly and a close one. BB can't be happy with the fumbles on this team. That one was forced. But I've seen some drops today that could have been a disaster. We can't do stuff like that against the Bears, IMO.

[jefmblrd]

Ya, he's exhibiting some joyous body language; I wonder if there'll be a bunch of stories about it tomorrow.

[PatsWickedPissah]

Time for Cassel. Don't risk Brady.

[Amanichai]

Brady fumbled. Why doesn't BB bench him? -:)

And play who? Vinny T or Matt? No question TB needs to protect the ball better but forget about BB benching him...

[Fanfrom1960]

Phew, that was ugly and a close one. BB can't be happy with the fumbles on this team. That one was forced. But I've seen some drops today that could have been a disaster. We can't do stuff like that against the Bears, IMO.
Good punt, Sportsline says. Remember what you did right, Josh.

[jefmblrd]

I was just thinking the same thing; time to call it a day for Brady. I know BB doesn't usually do that, but it's a pretty good idea at this point.

[PatsSteve1]

And play who? Vinny T or Matt? No question TB needs to protect the ball better but forget about BB benching him...

* Do you know what " -:) " means, hotshot?

[Amanichai]

MIA is losing BUF is losing, NYJ is losing and we're winning Baby!!! Come' on Cowboys!! (Not that it really matters but if the colts go undefeated it will be talked about until I'm old and gray)

Another TD Baby!!!!!!!!!!!

[jefmblrd]

OH man, nice move by Maroney for the touchdown.

[MoLewisrocks]

I was just thinking the same thing; time to call it a day for Brady. I know BB doesn't usually do that, but it's a pretty good idea at this point.

OK, on that note it is probably Cassel time. Time to battle test 26-45.

[Fanfrom1960]

I was just thinking the same thing; time to call it a day for Brady. I know BB doesn't usually do that, but it's a pretty good idea at this point.
OK, now, put in anybody. How about Troy in the single wing. :)

[DefenseRules]

OH man, nice move by Maroney for the touchdown.

That was sweet. :D
They've been trying that play all day. I'm glad that they kept trying it until it worked.

[PatsSteve1]

This game reminds me a lot of the Vikings game. As good as the Patriots look, the other teams QB in both games didn't look good at all. Farve, like the Vikes Johnson, didn't throw well, missed some open throws and the Packers had no run game. It's going to be a good test next week. da Bears have some good, big WR's, run pretty good and have a tough D. The Patriots need to continue to do this and not backslide again like after the Vikings game.

[jefmblrd]

It's good to see Brady healthy on the sidelines and Cassel in there.

[mosi]

Man, how can the Pats look so good on the road but so bad at home? I wonder how we will play next week on the new turf.

[jefmblrd]

Nice punt coverage by Woods. Great job by Vrabel and Wright combining on that fumble recovery.

[jefmblrd]

Nice job by the Bears beating the Jets.

[DefenseRules]

Man, how can the Pats look so good on the road but so bad at home? I wonder how we will play next week on the new turf.

I know what you mean. It's absolutely baffling. You'd think they would be pumped to play in front of the home crowd on their own home field. :confused:

[Amanichai]

MIA is losing BUF is losing, NYJ is losing and we're winning Baby!!! Come' on Cowboys!! (Not that it really matters but if the colts go undefeated it will be talked about until I'm old and gray)

Another TD Baby!!!!!!!!!!!


I Guess I spoke too soon

[PatsSteve1]

They shoulda had Vinnie try a drop kick.

[mosi]

I know what you mean. It's absolutely baffling. You'd think they would be pumped to play in front of the home crowd on their own home field. :confused:


Is is strange. I wonder if they get too pumped up. This team can beat anyone on the road, no question. Amazing. I have no idea what next weeks game will be like.

[mosi]

I know what you mean. It's absolutely baffling. You'd think they would be pumped to play in front of the home crowd on their own home field. :confused:


It is strange. I wonder if they get too pumped up. This team can beat anyone on the road, no question. Amazing. I have no idea what next weeks game will be like.

Also, I noticed that Gabriel did not catch a pass, did he even play?

[CheerforTom]

It is strange. I wonder if they get too pumped up. This team can beat anyone on the road, no question. Amazing. I have no idea what next weeks game will be like.

Also, I noticed that Gabriel did not catch a pass, did he even play?

He was in there for a few reps. The announcers spoke at length about how perhaps BB distrusts him after fumbling last game. As far as I saw (I didn't see much of the fourth quarter) he was only thrown to once or twice.

Although we clobbered them, it's a little frustrating to see us blatantly not using one of our best receivers. It's not like all of a sudden they don't need the practice.

[Tunescribe]

It is strange. I wonder if they get too pumped up. This team can beat anyone on the road, no question. Amazing. I have no idea what next weeks game will be like.

Also, I noticed that Gabriel did not catch a pass, did he even play?

Yes, he played. I don't think he caught anything.