Please read this if you need Jesus

[3 to be 4]

I'm glad you opened this. Its no accident if you did so.

No bells went off, no rockets. There was just a part of your heart, like mine, that knew you needed to change your heart towards the Lord.

I didnt make anyone read this. And no other posters here know you are reading this. I dont know either. This is between you and God.

Im inviting you into a relationship with a loving God. A God who loved you so much He sent his only Son to die on the cross for our sins. The good news is that it didnt stop there. Jesus rose from the dead three days later and opened a path for our own salvation. All He asks is that we acknowledge our sins and Repent, and that we put our belief and our Faith unto Him.

Jesus is ready to meet you where you are. Im going to ask that you say this prayer to Him and if you mean it in your heart, something wonderful is going to change in you. You will have taken the first step towards Him, and He will take two towards you. If you are ready, and knowing this is between you and the Lord, say a prayer such as the following:

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to the call. Its a blessing to me just to put this out there.

[Insaneirish]

VERY SCARY!! And in another religion if you kill infidels you go to paradise with 70 virgins!!

[Turd Furguson]

The bibles, they be a boppin'.

[3 to be 4]

Praise the Lord

[3 to be 4]

As we are heading into this holiday weekend, I wanted to offer this most important invitation again. This is the most important decision you'll ever make.

Im inviting you into a relationship with a loving God. A God who loved you so much He sent his only Son to die on the cross for our sins. The good news is that it didnt stop there. Jesus rose from the dead three days later and opened a path for our own salvation. All He asks is that we acknowledge our sins and Repent, and that we put our belief and our Faith unto Him.

Jesus is ready to meet you where you are. Im going to ask that you say this prayer to Him and if you mean it in your heart, something wonderful is going to change in you. You will have taken the first step towards Him, and He will take two towards you. If you are ready, and knowing this is between you and the Lord, say a prayer such as the following:

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to this call. Have a safe and happy weekend everyone.

[Nikki]

As we are heading into this holiday weekend, I wanted to offer this most important invitation again. This is the most important decision you'll ever make


You are right......holiday weekends are definately times to reflect on life and decisions........


That is why I DECIDED to only work at the strip club on Saturday and Sunday and enjoy my Monday off. ;)

Thanks for reminding me to reflect!

[Turd Furguson]

You are right......holiday weekends are definately times to reflect on life and decisions........


That is why I DECIDED to only work at the strip club on Saturday and Sunday and enjoy my Monday off. ;)

Thanks for reminding me to reflect!\

THANK THE LORD for titties and vaginas!!!!

[Blue Collar]

Praise the Lord

Hey 3 to be 4,I found an mp3 of amazing grace performed with bagpipes, enjoy:)
http://breizhpartitions.free.fr/partos/hymnes/amazing_grace.mp3

[3 to be 4]

Hey 3 to be 4,I found an mp3 of amazing grace performed with bagpipes, enjoy:)
http://breizhpartitions.free.fr/partos/hymnes/amazing_grace.mp3

awesome Blue Collar, thanks. heres a great variation too, by Todd Agnew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6AJ6vVVgM

[Turd Furguson]

BLue Collar, the least you could have done was find me a youtube of titties and vag. Whats wrong with you? You gay?

[Turd Furguson]

Christ you are a homo.

[Nikki]

Is that a little out of bound in this thread?

Take it to the political board and deal with------------->>>ME:cool:turd:bricks:

This thread is a easy going smooth and good topic, let it be, Ok!:)

I'm the one that started talking about strip clubs..........which caused the thread to "a little out of bound".

[3 to be 4]

there are about a thousand other threads to say stuff like that, but some people feel a need to dash the spirit of others. Maybe it makes them feel better.
I used to be the same way, so I am not one to judge. I can only have compassion for them and pray for them.
It seems you only get called offensive when you say the name Jesus.

Had a started a thread that said "Reasons to be Jewish" or "Reasons in the Qu'ran to believe in Allah" I might have been called odd, but they wouldnt have found it offensive. I certainly wouldnt be offended by such a thread or conversation. But the name of Jesus really inspires people to get all offended. It must be because of the power God really does have. And where the Lords name is brought up, it makes people have to take a look at themselves, and for myself, that always caused me to react in anger.

So I understand it. I dont think its cool to try to ruin what for some could be a lifechanging moment. I dont see the value in that, and it just shines light on the character of the person who does it.

But to wipe clean and start anew for those who may need it, id like the get the tone back on target. for those of you who dont want anything to do with this topic, i invite you to make your innappropriate remarks elsewhere, as to have some shred of respect for those who may have a sincere struggle in their life and are looking for some hope in this world. otherwise, its only a reflection on yourself.


Once again im inviting you into a relationship with a loving God. A God who loved you so much He sent his only Son to die on the cross for our sins. The good news is that it didnt stop there. Jesus rose from the dead three days later and opened a path for our own salvation. All He asks is that we acknowledge our sins and Repent, and that we put our belief and our Faith unto Him.

Jesus is ready to meet you where you are. Im going to ask that you say this prayer to Him and if you mean it in your heart, something wonderful is going to change in you. You will have taken the first step towards Him, and He will take two towards you. If you are ready, and knowing this is between you and the Lord, say a prayer such as the following:

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to the call. Its a blessing to me just to put this out there.

Love to you all

[PatsFanInVa]

Seriously, look up from the computer long enough to tip her a buck... mebbe a 20 if you want to talk to her a few minutes...

Wow. Think of all the money we're saving. Hi Nikki. Is that tan real?

PFnV

[dr]

Another for you 3 to be 4. One of the best voices I've ever heard.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMUZR4sZnOc

[3 to be 4]

Another for you 3 to be 4. One of the best voices I've ever heard.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMUZR4sZnOc

fantastic!!!!


here is good one from a Michael W Smith concert

have a great sunday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_TF_nnhtjs

[3 to be 4]

the greatest act of love. He took our punishment. He paid the price for our sins. So that we may have life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5XtVceiQzA

[3 to be 4]

I'm glad you opened this. Its no accident if you did so.

No bells went off, no rockets. There was just a part of your heart, like mine, that knew you needed to change your heart towards the Lord.

I didnt make anyone read this. And no other posters here know you are reading this. I dont know either. This is between you and God.

Im inviting you into a relationship with a loving God. A God who loved you so much He sent his only Son to die on the cross for our sins. The good news is that it didnt stop there. Jesus rose from the dead three days later and opened a path for our own salvation. All He asks is that we acknowledge our sins and Repent, and that we put our belief and our Faith unto Him.

Jesus is ready to meet you where you are. Im going to ask that you say this prayer to Him and if you mean it in your heart, something wonderful is going to change in you. You will have taken the first step towards Him, and He will take two towards you. If you are ready, and knowing this is between you and the Lord, say a prayer such as the following:

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to the call. Its a blessing to me just to put this out there.

[Turd Furguson]

What happened to each person having their own PERSONAL relationship with God? Why must you put yours out in the open and then try to convert us all?

[PatsFanInVa]

What happened to each person having their own PERSONAL relationship with God? Why must you put yours out in the open and then try to convert us all?

It's the one-two punch, Turd. If you question the inherently offensive and annoying practice of proselytizing, you're part of the anti-God conspiracy, that makes it okay to post internet porn, but not okay to push your belief on others.

Incidentally -- the difference is this: Porn purveyors can move their wares without proselytizing. Nobody tries to convert you. It's just there.

Jesus takes much more forcible and repeated indoctrination, presumably because the argument is weaker. ;)

PFnV

[3 to be 4]

What happened to each person having their own PERSONAL relationship with God? Why must you put yours out in the open and then try to convert us all?

Each person does have their own personal relationship with God. Whether it is non-existant or not, each person has their own relationship. I put mine out in the open because God should be at the forefront of everyones life
A) Because He deserves it
B) Because that is what is commanded by Him

as far as spreading the gospel, that again, is fulfilling Gods wishes

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. (Matthew 28:18-20)

Jesus said the only way to the Father is through the Son. The only way to Heaven is acceptance of Jesus Christ. A Christian could not talk about this so as to not offend, and stand by idly as millions are seperated from God for eternity. Or we could sacrifice our own place on the "social ladder", risk the scorn of others, and spread the good news of Gods plan for your salvation.

Those who are offended by my attempts to tell others of how ,through Gods love, one can have eternity in Heaven, are really making a choice to be offended when, if not interested, they could just ignore me.

But if there are people whose lives can be changed, whose eternity's can be saved, who souls can be joined with God, than that is far more important than "lookin good" on earth.

If a house is burning, and there is a way out, and I dont tell you about it, what does that make me?

Im noticing the same people keep clicking on, reading, and then objecting. What makes you keep clicking on? Im glad you do.

But it brings to mind the old saying "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

keep asking the questions, these are important questions, but try to be open when you do. leave the ego behind. think beyond this life that could end tomorrow. Do you really not care what happens to you after you go?

[Turd Furguson]

Each person does have their own personal relationship with God. Whether it is non-existant or not, each person has their own relationship. I put mine out in the open because God should be at the forefront of everyones life
A) Because He deserves it
B) Because that is what is commanded by Him

as far as spreading the gospel, that again, is fulfilling Gods wishes

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. (Matthew 28:18-20)

Jesus said the only way to the Father is through the Son. The only way to Heaven is acceptance of Jesus Christ. A Christian could not talk about this so as to not offend, and stand by idly as millions are seperated from God for eternity. Or we could sacrifice our own place on the "social ladder", risk the scorn of others, and spread the good news of Gods plan for your salvation.

Those who are offended by my attempts to tell others of how ,through Gods love, one can have eternity in Heaven, are really making a choice to be offended when, if not interested, they could just ignore me.

But if there are people whose lives can be changed, whose eternity's can be saved, who souls can be joined with God, than that is far more important than "lookin good" on earth.

If a house is burning, and there is a way out, and I dont tell you about it, what does that make me?

Im noticing the same people keep clicking on, reading, and then objecting. What makes you keep clicking on? Im glad you do.

But it brings to mind the old saying "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

keep asking the questions, these are important questions, but try to be open when you do. leave the ego behind. think beyond this life that could end tomorrow. Do you really not care what happens to you after you go?

Bullchit, pure and utter bullchit.


How about you continue being a Jesus freak on the INSIDE and leave the rest of us alone.

[3 to be 4]

Its not really possible to be a Jesus freak and keep it all inside. But Im not requiring you to do anything, please keep that in mind.

We might not always be interested in whats going to happen to us for eternity, but rest assured, God is very interested. Because He loves all of us more than we can imagine

[shmessy]

3 tobe4 wrote:

"Had a started a thread that said "Reasons to be Jewish" or "Reasons in the Qu'ran to believe in Allah" I might have been called odd, but they wouldnt have found it offensive. I certainly wouldnt be offended by such a thread or conversation. But the name of Jesus really inspires people to get all offended."
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Either you're blinded by your faith and can't see the disingenuousness of what you just wrote or you truly are slimy.

You did NOT write a thread that was the equivalent of "Reasons to be Jewish" or "Reasons in the Qu'ran to believe in Allah". If so, your purported thread would have been "Reasons to be Christian" or "Reasons in the New Testament to believe in Jesus".

But that wasn't quite the title and gist of your thread was it? No, it was "OLD TESTAMENT Reasons For JEWS to Believe in Jesus". It wasn't merely a positive statement about Christianity and Jesus. It was all about others (many here who responded that they are quite happy, thank you very much, with their own faith) DROPPING and ABANDONING their own beliefs and adopting Christianity - - - via NOT a personal epiphany, but by your debating tactics.

As I wrote above, if you can't see the difference and you write that there is no difference, you are either blind or slimy. Take your pick.

Your disingenuousness in your lament here, plus your continued claims of how successful you are by counting the clicks and views on your threads (much like a crooked Spam Advertiser) have really disappointed me in you and your writings.

I had orginally felt you were on the level and had enjoyed my previous discourses with you. After your recent posts, however, it's obvious exactly what you are. What a disappointment to stoop to that level.

I wish you peace.

[3 to be 4]

3 tobe4 wrote:

"Had a started a thread that said "Reasons to be Jewish" or "Reasons in the Qu'ran to believe in Allah" I might have been called odd, but they wouldnt have found it offensive. I certainly wouldnt be offended by such a thread or conversation. But the name of Jesus really inspires people to get all offended."
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Either you're blinded by your faith and can't see the disingenuousness of what you just wrote or you truly are slimy.

You did NOT write a thread that was the equivalent of "Reasons to be Jewish" or "Reasons in the Qu'ran to believe in Allah". If so, your purported thread would have been "Reasons to be Christian" or "Reasons in the New Testament to believe in Jesus".

But that wasn't quite the title and gist of your thread was it? No, it was "OLD TESTAMENT Reasons For JEWS to Believe in Jesus". It wasn't merely a positive statement about Christianity and Jesus. It was all about others (many here who responded that they are quite happy, thank you very much, with their own faith) DROPPING and ABANDONING their own beliefs and adopting Christianity - - - via NOT a personal epiphany, but by your debating tactics.

As I wrote above, if you can't see the difference and you write that there is no difference, you are either blind or slimy. Take your pick.

Your disingenuousness in your lament here, plus your continued claims of how successful you are by counting the clicks and views on your threads (much like a crooked Spam Advertiser) have really disappointed me in you and your writings.

I had orginally felt you were on the level and had enjoyed my previous discourses with you. After your recent posts, however, it's obvious exactly what you are. What a disappointment to stoop to that level.

I wish you peace.

wow. blind, slimy, disingenuousness. thats pretty strong. I havent forced anyone to do anything or to read anything. On the contrary, i have been called every name in the book, there have posts literally making fun of the crucified Jesus, people who call me insensitive then go on and make innapropriate jokes at the deaths of others on other threads.....

sorry, im not taking in your comments as something to seriously consider, or as you say, "stoop to that level"

As i have said, its not about me, or you. Its about God. If you personally do not want to reconsider, fine. Dont think you speak for everybody else. Dont get in the way of somebody elses chance at Salvation.

For if I'm wrong, i'll have a very pleasant surprise at the end of my life. If you are wrong..................

Jesus Loves You.

[3 to be 4]

I'm glad you opened this. Its no accident if you did so.

No bells went off, no rockets. There was just a part of your heart, like mine, that knew you needed to change your heart towards the Lord.

I didnt make anyone read this. And no other posters here know you are reading this. I dont know either. This is between you and God.

Im inviting you into a relationship with a loving God. A God who loved you so much He sent his only Son to die on the cross for our sins. The good news is that it didnt stop there. Jesus rose from the dead three days later and opened a path for our own salvation. All He asks is that we acknowledge our sins and Repent, and that we put our belief and our Faith unto Him.

Jesus is ready to meet you where you are. Im going to ask that you say this prayer to Him and if you mean it in your heart, something wonderful is going to change in you. You will have taken the first step towards Him, and He will take two towards you. If you are ready, and knowing this is between you and the Lord, say a prayer such as the following:

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to the call. Its a blessing to me just to put this out there.

[shmessy]

wow. blind, slimy, disingenuousness. thats pretty strong. I havent forced anyone to do anything or to read anything. On the contrary, i have been called every name in the book, there have posts literally making fun of the crucified Jesus, people who call me insensitive then go on and make innapropriate jokes at the deaths of others on other threads.....

sorry, im not taking in your comments as something to seriously consider, or as you say, "stoop to that level"

As i have said, its not about me, or you. Its about God. If you personally do not want to reconsider, fine. Dont think you speak for everybody else. Dont get in the way of somebody elses chance at Salvation.

For if I'm wrong, i'll have a very pleasant surprise at the end of my life. If you are wrong..................

Jesus Loves You.

God doesn't cheat or twist words as you did when you lamented how others misinterpreted the title of your original thread. It is fact and it's there on this very messageboard in black and white. It wasn't "Reasons to be Christian" as you try lead people to believe. It was "Old Testament reasons for JEWS to believe in Jesus". When I point that out the difference to you, you STILL don't admit your clever twisting and change the subject. You blindly march on, ignoring the very sensitivities of others. It's called disrespect and casts a very bad light on your message.

In our previous discourses, I felt you were an honest person and appreciated the educational give and take. I am very disappointed with your recent actions and now see you in a totally different light. And yes, the messenger does effect the message.

Your previous post above this one is a duplicate copy of one you posted as an origination thread elsewhere on this very board. Multiple placings in the same board of the very same post is what is called "spam". Even among the "godless" it is looked down upon as below reproach.

You are right in one respect. It is about God. However, if the interpretation of God that you espouse countenance's disingenuousness and word twisting as was shown above, then NO THANK YOU, Mr. Slick Salesman counting the number of clicks on your threads. To me and many others, religion does not come with a Marketing Business Plan. It's far deeper and more sacred than that.

[shmessy]

3tobe4: wow. blind, slimy, disingenuousness. thats pretty strong.
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Shmessy: Yes, it is. Did you even read my reasons for using that language or did you close your eyes to other people and climb into the womb of your faith for safety?
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3tobe4: I havent forced anyone to do anything or to read anything.
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Shmessy: What a great achievement! Question: Can anyone on an internet board "force" anyone to do anything? Unless you're some kind of mind-control genius (although you're trying, you ain't that good) it's impossible to force anyone to do anything on an anonymous internet board.

So spare us the bragging about you not forcing anyone to do anything here - - it's empty and, yes, disingenuous.
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3tobe4:: On the contrary, i have been called every name in the book, there have posts literally making fun of the crucified Jesus, people who call me insensitive then go on and make innapropriate jokes at the deaths of others on other threads.....

sorry, im not taking in your comments as something to seriously consider, or as you say, "stoop to that level"
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Shmessy: Again shame on you. That is below reproach to lump me in with anyone who made those awful comments. I CHALLENGE you to find ONE instance where I made fun of ANYONE who was crucified or died.

Guilt by association is a shameless trick effected by the lowest of low politicians. It's truly shocking when a "Godly person" resorts to such means.

What's truly ironic is only ONE of us (between you and me) is on record on this board as having made fun of someone who was murdered. To your credit, you apologized.
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3tobe4: As i have said, its not about me, or you. Its about God. If you personally do not want to reconsider, fine. Dont think you speak for everybody else. Dont get in the way of somebody elses chance at Salvation.

For if I'm wrong, i'll have a very pleasant surprise at the end of my life. If you are wrong..................
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Shmessy: As pointed out above, your twisting of words and falsely slandering others is shocking and eye opening. I had developed a certain trust with you a couple of weeks ago and gained much from our earlier discourse.

It is always disheartening when the wolf sheds his sheeps clothing.
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Jesus Loves You.

Facts are inconvenient things to deal with. It's so much easier to literally close one's eyes and sway, blocking out the living, breathing human beings around you.

[mavfan2390]

Why must you put yours out in the open and then try to convert us all?

Who's forcing you to come here and read this? And is it really that hard to respect one's belief? Don't you dare turn around and say, "oh 3 to 4 isn't respecting by belief by posting this," that's not true, he's simply trying to spread the Word. No one is making you read this. No one is making you post on this thread. Why don't you try to be more respectful to others, and maybe more people will take you seriously. If that's too tough for you don't post here.

3 to 4, keep spreading the Word bro!

[shmessy]

Quote:
Why must you put yours out in the open and then try to convert us all?
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Who's forcing you to come here and read this? And is it really that hard to respect one's belief? Don't you dare turn around and say, "oh 3 to 4 isn't respecting by belief by posting this," that's not true, he's simply trying to spread the Word. No one is making you read this. No one is making you post on this thread. Why don't you try to be more respectful to others, and maybe more people will take you seriously. If that's too tough for you don't post here.

3 to 4, keep spreading the Word bro!

Why don't you respect your fellow human beings and attribute whom you are quoting, instead of just throwing the quote out there?

I have no problem with someone "spreading their word" - - as long as they don't twist their words into half truths and outright lies as I itemized in my previous post.

Facts are very inconvenient things. It just feels better to close one's eyes and sway.

[3 to be 4]

Why don't you respect your fellow human beings and attribute whom you are quoting, instead of just throwing the quote out there?

I have no problem with someone "spreading their word" - - as long as they don't twist their words into half truths and outright lies as I itemized in my previous post.

Facts are very inconvenient things. It just feels better to close one's eyes and sway.


My, you are really worked up over this. You have called me some not so nice names, including disengenious. I cant help but ask you to please take a look at yourself.
A) Why didnt you bring your complaints about my use of "Old Testament reasons..." to the "Old Testament reasons thread (where, by the way, i answered your comments) instead of trying to disrupt this thread?
B) You say my repeating posts is just like Spam. really?? When I receive Spam, things pop on my computer I have no way of avoiding. Do you have some magic program that whenever 3 to be 4 posts something BOOM! it pops up in Shmessy's face? No. You see that ive posted something. And you click onto it, probably knowing you will get all upset.

But in case you havent gone to the "Old Testament" reasons thread, I will just say if you want play semantic games i guess, ok, you are right, it reads a little different. Gee Whiz, ok, let me rephrase it for you. If someone posts a thread that says "Reasons why Christians should believe that Jesus is not the Messiah" or "Qu'ran reasons why Allah is God and Christians should believe in Allah" that would in no way offend me. I would welcome a stimulating dialogue. Ok, Shmessy???

Now, have I called anyone here anything like "slimy", "blind", "disengenious"? all said by you amongst other personal insinuations. others have called me "anti-semetic" and nice stuff like that. I NEVER said YOU posted the video making fun of the crucification. You know, im getting it from more sides than you and some of my replies are to more than just you.

But like ive said before, i understand the anger. I used to do the exact same thing. It really ticked me off, those Christians telling me about Christ.

It would be nice, however, if you would like to discuss your disagreements, to do so without character assassinating me in the process. It reflects more on you than it does me.

And because I would think that people who click onto a thread thats titled "Please read this if you need Jesus" are not looking to read about the problems of Shmessy and 3 to be 4, im going to repost the original post.

You may not have a need for it, but i would bet there might be some people who are seeking out their God, its the biggest moment of their life, and they deserve an opportunity to hear about the love of Jesus Christ.

I hope you can forgive me for where I have come up short, Shmessy, and I certainly forgive you. Lets be gentlemen about this and avoid tearing each other down.

[3 to be 4]

I'm glad you opened this. Its no accident if you did so.

No bells went off, no rockets. There was just a part of your heart, like mine, that knew you needed to change your heart towards the Lord.

I didnt make anyone read this. And no other posters here know you are reading this. I dont know either. This is between you and God.

Im inviting you into a relationship with a loving God. A God who loved you so much He sent his only Son to die on the cross for our sins. The good news is that it didnt stop there. Jesus rose from the dead three days later and opened a path for our own salvation. All He asks is that we acknowledge our sins and Repent, and that we put our belief and our Faith unto Him.

Jesus is ready to meet you where you are. Im going to ask that you say this prayer to Him and if you mean it in your heart, something wonderful is going to change in you. You will have taken the first step towards Him, and He will take two towards you. If you are ready, and knowing this is between you and the Lord, say a prayer such as the following:

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to the call. Its a blessing to me just to put this out there.

[3 to be 4]

God of Wonders by City on a Hill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_dgXi75FyU&mode=related&search=

[3 to be 4]

Amazing Song and Testimony
The Newsboys - I Am Free

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9o-ncexbQo&NR

[3 to be 4]

Good morning. Thank the Lord we made it to Friday. He is a good God. And He wants to have a relationship with you. Not a church thing. Or a religious thing. Dont look at Christians, especially this guy, as what its all about. the answers are with Him, and the Bible, so please look into your heart, and know that while humans will all eventually show their flaws, He never will. If you are ready for a life second to none, I invite you say this following prayer.

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."

Bless you all. Be well this weekend. Jesus Loves You

[Turd Furguson]

Good morning. Thank the Lord we made it to Friday. He is a good God. And He wants to have a relationship with you. Not a church thing. Or a religious thing. Dont look at Christians, especially this guy, as what its all about. the answers are with Him, and the Bible, so please look into your heart, and know that while humans will all eventually show their flaws, He never will. If you are ready for a life second to none, I invite you say this following prayer.

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."

Bless you all. Be well this weekend. Jesus Loves You

Fluck off god boy.

[shmessy]

Good morning. Thank the Lord we made it to Friday. He is a good God. And He wants to have a relationship with you. Not a church thing. Or a religious thing. Dont look at Christians, especially this guy, as what its all about. the answers are with Him, and the Bible, so please look into your heart, and know that while humans will all eventually show their flaws, He never will. If you are ready for a life second to none, I invite you say this following prayer.

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."

Bless you all. Be well this weekend. Jesus Loves You

Summary of 3tobe4's Advocacy:

"Do as I say, not as I do".

[3 to be 4]

Summary of 3tobe4's Advocacy:

"Do as I say, not as I do".

No, its not do as I say, its do as the Bible says. If I was telling people to believe in 3 to be 4, you would be correct. As Im directing people to Jesus Christ, and being clear NOT to make it about me, your point makes little sense.

[shmessy]

No, its not do as I say, its do as the Bible says. If I was telling people to believe in 3 to be 4, you would be correct. As Im directing people to Jesus Christ, and being clear NOT to make it about me, your point makes little sense.

You make absolutely no sense and you have no idea of the English language. What I wrote is EXACTLY what you have been doing.

You have been telling people that you HAVE found the way (and have written extensively about how your life has been so changed). You implore others to follow your lead in going to Christ. However, you follow that by continuing to commit horrible acts against a person who is grieving the loss of his fiancee.

It's akin to Courtney Love preaching sexual abstinence.

[shmessy]

No, its not do as I say, its do as the Bible says. If I was telling people to believe in 3 to be 4, you would be correct. As Im directing people to Jesus Christ, and being clear NOT to make it about me, your point makes little sense.

By the way, if you're such a mess, why would ANYONE want to take your advice on their life decisions?

For myself, you'll never see me accepting an offer of a car ride from Leon Spinks.

[Nikki]

*sigh* people that make fun of murder victims are in better in touch with God than the rest of us, I guess.

BTW........I am evil because I talked about being a stripper.

[3 to be 4]

By the way, if you're such a mess, why would ANYONE want to take your advice on their life decisions?

For myself, you'll never see me accepting an offer of a car ride from Leon Spinks.

im such a mess? thanks Mr Rove for putting those words in my mouth.

my advise? again, Mr Rove, you keep saying the lie over and over and over again hoping that if you do it will change reality. Its not my advice, its what the Bible says.

But you havnt been able, nor has anyone in all these years, shown the Bible to be false. So you go after the flawed ( as everyone is) messenger.

btw, if IM such a mess, why are you so obsessed with me and what I post?

and you never did answer why videos about Christ being crucified to comedy music and jokes about nails in his hands and feet are just fine and dandy, yet suddenly some of you have this "care for the people" when the name Jesus is mentioned.

i think some of you are in need of spiritual help,at the very least. But in a way I thank you, you've been helping to keep the name of Jesus out there much more than I ever imagined. And His name will overcome yours and mine little insignificant squabbles.

Once again im open about my flaws, the typical intellectual "I must never admit fault" doesnt show strength, it just exposes your weakness and vunerability. You can never truly be humble before the Lord, because you, deep down, worship yourself. You might say you have a faith or a religion, but until you can break it down and know there is only one who is perfect, then its just talk.

I ask nobody to follow me, and you are a liar for saying I ever did. Jesus Christ is the one to follow, not because I say so (funny how on one hand, its said here that Christians dominate the country (really?), then the next its a message given only by 3 to be 4, which is it?) but because the Bible says so. The word of God says so.

Jesus Christ loves you.

[Turd Furguson]

Say Hi to Fred Phelps for me God-boy.

[shmessy]

3tobe4:im such a mess? thanks Mr Rove for putting those words in my mouth.
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Shmessy: Yes, you're a mess. Anyone who has read your posts continually apologizing for your most recent transgressions can only scratch their head and wonder, when does this guy "who knows the way" actually pull himself together?.....and then you go out and publish a grieving man's Private Messages to you, followed by the inevitable horrified reactions from people with more than an ounce of humanity, followed by you complaining that THEY are keeping the story alive. Yes, that would be the DEFINITION of lost soul, dude.
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3tobe4: my advise? again, Mr Rove, you keep saying the lie over and over and over again hoping that if you do it will change reality. Its not my advice, its what the Bible says.
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Shmessy: You're right! That is exactly what you have done - - saying the same thing over and over, hoping it will change reality -- I'm glad you're finally gaining some real self understanding!
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3tobe4: But you havnt been able, nor has anyone in all these years, shown the Bible to be false. So you go after the flawed ( as everyone is) messenger.
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Shmessy: My beef isn't with the bible. My beef is with a hypocrit who advises everyone be good to their fellow man - - and then continually works a cycle of doing the oppposite and forgiving himself for it.

You'd be a lousy dieter, that's all I can say!
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3tobe4: btw, if IM such a mess, why are you so obsessed with me and what I post?
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Shmessy: Because I believe in TRUTH. And not in people who advocate living one way and actually live the opposite, Mr. Swaggart. (Hey, if you're gonna call me Mr. Rove, it's only fair! :))

Also, because frankly, you are so hilariously inept at living the advice you give others that it is entertaining to puncture your gaseous balloon. You are the poster boy for what is wrong with proselytizers. You're right up there with the "Reverends" Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders for entertainment value.
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3tobe4: and you never did answer why videos about Christ being crucified to comedy music and jokes about nails in his hands and feet are just fine and dandy, yet suddenly some of you have this "care for the people" when the name Jesus is mentioned.
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Shmessy: There's nothing right about making fun of Jesus' pain. I never participated in that and, for the record, condemn it.
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3tobe4: i think some of you are in need of spiritual help,at the very least. But in a way I thank you, you've been helping to keep the name of Jesus out there much more than I ever imagined. And His name will overcome yours and mine little insignificant squabbles.
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Shmessy: Eyeballs, just get as many eyeballs on it.....and you call ME Mr. Rove? Your marketing plan is right out of a Spammer's Manual.
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3tobe 4: Once again im open about my flaws, the typical intellectual "I must never admit fault" doesnt show strength, it just exposes your weakness and vunerability.
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Shmessy: Great, George W. Bush is an "intellectual" according to your definition. Who writes your material? It's great!

I've written I'm not perfect. The difference is that I do not proselytize to others that I know "the way".
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3tobe4: You can never truly be humble before the Lord, because you, deep down, worship yourself. You might say you have a faith or a religion, but until you can break it down and know there is only one who is perfect, then its just talk.
___________________
Shmessy: Thank you for disrespecting my religion as "just talk", Mr. Continually Forgiving Himself for His Own Transgressions". ___________________
3tobe4: I ask nobody to follow me, and you are a liar for saying I ever did.
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Shmessy: Whaaaaa?
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3tobe4: Jesus Christ is the one to follow,
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Shmessy: Great idea, why don't you start doing that?
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3tobe4: not because I say so (funny how on one hand, its said here that Christians dominate the country (really?), then the next its a message given only by 3 to be 4, which is it?) but because the Bible says so. The word of God says so.
_____________________
Shmessy: As my new favorite preacher says "I'm just a guy standing on a bucket"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGe7ODEo7xo

[3 to be 4]

at least you are actually responding with some thought out viewpoints. And i applaud you for FINALLY condemning the posts making fun of Jesus pain. I appreciate that you said that.

all in all, we've pretty much said everything there is to say about it. We see things differently and thats fine. I can understand the whole "well, look at Him, he doesnt really live it" mantra. I used it for years. And yes, we all, and especially I, should live up to the standard of Jesus Christ more.

all of the things about me reflects on me, not on the truth of Jesus Christ. No more than you are an example of the validity of your beliefs.

Peace be with you.

[shmessy]

at least you are actually responding with some thought out viewpoints. And i applaud you for FINALLY condemning the posts making fun of Jesus pain. I appreciate that you said that.

all in all, we've pretty much said everything there is to say about it. We see things differently and thats fine. I can understand the whole "well, look at Him, he doesnt really live it" mantra. I used it for years. And yes, we all, and especially I, should live up to the standard of Jesus Christ more.

all of the things about me reflects on me, not on the truth of Jesus Christ. No more than you are an example of the validity of your beliefs.

Peace be with you.

Thank you, 3. Right back at ya. I fully support your inner search.

[3 to be 4]

Thank you, 3. Right back at ya. I fully support your inner search.

and I, yours.

the following post is directed at the rest of the folks who might have clicked on the thread looking for what the title had in mind. take care.

[3 to be 4]

Chris Tomlin - Holy Is the Lord

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X4CwGGJQMI

[3 to be 4]

a very interesting article by an author, a non-believer, who went out to prove why Jesus wasnt who he said he was, and in the process became a believer.

http://www.ag.org/Pentecostal-Evangel/Conversations2005/4742_McDowell.cfm

[3 to be 4]

Can you believe the New Testament?

http://www.answers2prayer.org/bible_studies/new_testament/bibliographical.html

[3 to be 4]

this link is probably more helpful than anything else I could post. All the answers are right in there.

http://bibledev.azaz.com/bibleresources/bible_kjv.php

Gods Word is alive and well. How is your relationhip with God today? If you died today would you be ready to face Him? Have you put the world and its concerns ahead of His concerns, and His wishes for you?

He is ready to meet you where you are, as you are, no trappings of religion. No, one hour at church and the rest of the week back to normal. Nothing to do with being good enough, giving enough, earning your way in.
All that is religion. He wants your heart. He wants your time. He wants your belief and trust. And His faithfulness to you will have no end.

If you are ready, say this prayer, or a prayer like it. take this step to Him and will take two to you.

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to the call. Have a Blessed and peaceful day everyone

[shmessy]

Can you believe the New Testament?

http://www.answers2prayer.org/bible_studies/new_testament/bibliographical.html

I read it and found it lacking in meaning to me.

[3 to be 4]

im shocked

[shmessy]

The difference between my view and yours is that my relationship to God is personal.

Yours is a political and marketing campaign.

You have announced here many times how you continually break the ethics and moral paradigm of your faith. You STILL have not apologized for publishing on this very board PRIVATE MESSAGES sent to you by a grieving man whom you wronged. All you have done is give empty excuses and then forgave yourself. Then you go out and proselytize others.

You know who does the VERY same thing? The "Reverends" Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders and Jimmy Swaggart.

You keep on repeating "Please don't focus on the messenger, just focus on the message". I'm sorry, sir, but would YOU take moral and religious direction form Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders and Jimmy Swaggart? In their case and in yours, it's the LOUDEST and most persistent voice that counts.

Neither would I. Work on yourself, first. You're like a doctor performing surgery without a license.

[3 to be 4]

The difference between my view and yours is that my relationship to God is personal.

Yours is a political and marketing campaign.

You have announced here many times how you continually break the ethics and moral paradigm of your faith. You STILL have not apologized for publishing on this very board PRIVATE MESSAGES sent to you by a grieving man whom you wronged. All you have done is give empty excuses and then forgave yourself. Then you go out and proselytize others.

You know who does the VERY same thing? The "Reverends" Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders and Jimmy Swaggart.

You keep on repeating "Please don't focus on the messenger, just focus on the message". I'm sorry, sir, but would YOU take moral and religious direction form Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders and Jimmy Swaggart? In their case and in yours, it's the LOUDEST and most persistent voice that counts.

Neither would I. Work on yourself, first. You're like a doctor performing surgery without a license.

Again, "continually"? Now talk about a marketing campaign. straight out the Book of Karl Rove again. Did you work on the swift boat ads?

I apologize for posting the private message. You are right. ive called it an error, but i havent officially apologized for it. And I do. It was a mistake and it was wrong.

and you know what? Swaggart, Irvin, and Sanders? While im not any fan of any one of them. They are sure correct in who they call their Lord. And when this life is over, they will have forgiveness. They have justification in the eyes of God through their faith. Thats not my rules. That is what the Bible says.

Many of you out there have done lousy things. Things you might feel ashamed of. We all do. You just know about some of mine.
Have you ever lied? Even once. If you have, according to the Bible, you are a liar. Have you ever stolen anything? no matter how small. according to the Bible you are a thief. Have you ever commited adultery? Even lusted after a woman in your heart that wasnt your wife? If you have, you are an adulterer. Go down the 10 commandments and its the same thing. According to Gods law we have all violated His law and are seperated from Him by Sin.

That has great implications for our souls. But, through the sacrifice made by Gods Son Jesus Christ on the cross, Sin is forgiven. He paid the price so that we are no longer condemned by the law, but instead are forgiven by a loving God who we cannot be seperated from. This is his covenant to us.

So before comparing who's flaws are biggers than who's. Know that we all have sinned. And understand the big picture of where we stand with God.

Jesus isnt looking for perfect people. The fishermen He chose werent the best of the best. Hes looking for faithful people. People who while trying to be like Him but will never be, when they do slip up, will come to Him for forgiveness.

people shouldnt look to me or Irvin or Swaggert or Sanders or ANY person for moral or religious direction. They should look to Jesus Christ. They should read the Bible.

By making this about me, you are trying to distract people away from Jesus because you havent been able to come up with anything else. You hide behind the convenience of "its personal". In other words, you believe in what you believe, but not enough to share it.

Thats fine for you. Good. Wonderful. But dont impose your censorship on others. The Old Testament says we should shout out our praises to the Lord. It doesnt say we hide it and "keep it personal" so as to not offend anybody.

Im not ashamed to sing praises for my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He is the redeemer. And I know He is alive because He lives in me.

Praise The Lord

[3 to be 4]

this link is probably more helpful than anything else I could post. All the answers are right in there.

http://bibledev.azaz.com/bibleresources/bible_kjv.php

Gods Word is alive and well. How is your relationhip with God today? If you died today would you be ready to face Him? Have you put the world and its concerns ahead of His concerns, and His wishes for you?

He is ready to meet you where you are, as you are, no trappings of religion. No, one hour at church and the rest of the week back to normal. Nothing to do with being good enough, giving enough, earning your way in.
All that is religion. He wants your heart. He wants your time. He wants your belief and trust. And His faithfulness to you will have no end.

If you are ready, say this prayer, or a prayer like it. take this step to Him and will take two to you.

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to the call. Have a Blessed and peaceful day everyone

[shmessy]

If you are ready, say this prayer, or a prayer like it. take this step to Him and will take two to you.

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.



I have another good one! Now say this phrase:

""La ilaha il-Allah, Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah".

Did you say it? Wonderful, you are now a Moslem in good standing.
________

Live your life by deeds, not words. I know this would be a sea change for you, but I hope you will be successful in this endeavor.

3tobe4, do you know what is the fundamental truth? Here it is. Are you ready?

----"Only God can hear a human heart, in a language where no parsing is possible."

[3 to be 4]

I have another good one! Now say this phrase:

""La ilaha il-Allah, Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah".

Did you say it? Wonderful, you are now a Moslem in good standing.
________

Live your life by deeds, not words. I know this would be a sea change for you, but I hope you will be successful in this endeavor.

3tobe4, do you know what is the fundamental truth? Here it is. Are you ready?

----"Only God can hear a human heart, in a language where no parsing is possible."

you missed the word "sincerely" then. the deed thing? As you pointed out to me about yourself, you have no idea the things I do or dont do. And as i said to another poster, since things things should be anonymous im not going to list them here.

as for your quote, RIGHT ON! only God knows your heart. So hopefully it is right. you or I have no idea what the reader does or does not to with a call for salvation. And if a person jumps up in church and yells "Praise the Lord" nobody but God knows if thats sincere belief. And if someone is quiet and never says a word about God, nobody knows if deep in their heart they have that connection with the Lord.

so dont judge me based on a few posts ona chat room, like that tells you everything you need to know. your posts didnt tell me either the things you do out in the world or whats in your heart.

A call to salvation isnt a judgement on YOU. Its an invitation to accept the Lord. 99% of you may think it aint happening that way. But if it did, you or I wouldnt know about it anyway. the poster who is inspired by it knows that nobody else knows who they are, and they dont have to tell anybody. its anonymous.

The Lord works in mysterious ways. And He does think outside the box. People once thought it strange and awkward to preach the gospel on a thing called Television. Now we have the new communication.

No, we dont know anything about someones heart, that is between them and God. I love your quote and I agree totally.

Have a great day!

[shmessy]

No, we dont know anything about someones heart, that is between them and God. I love your quote and I agree totally.

Have a great day!

Amen. That saying was so powerful to me.

It seems that some people read words and scriptures while others tend to commune with the spirit in a language where no parsing is possible.

[3 to be 4]

Man, that little break did me good. Im so on fire for the Lord and Im going to keep this in much better perspective now. There are people out there who just want to hate. We cant control that. But our God is an awesome God. He reigns from Heaven above.

Jesus love is unstoppable and unending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_dgXi75FyU

[shmessy]

Im going to keep this in much better perspective now.

Ma nishtana ha lailah ha zeh mikol halailot?

("Why is THIS night different from all other nights")

[Clonamery]

Im so on fire for the Lord


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_dgXi75FyU

I might suggest a better way of explaining your emotions then that!

[Clonamery]

No, we dont know anything about someones heart, that is between them and God.

Nice thought. How about practicing what you preach?

If you live a good life, one that exhibits love and caring and action of mind, soul and heart then you will find people asking you, how do you have the energy and determination to do so much good and help those that need it?

And that is when you explain who you are in words.

I've probably said this before but it is akin to this for a writer, 'show me, don't tell me.'

[3 to be 4]

pssst its not about me


How are you doing with God?

[Clonamery]

pssst its not about me


I think that's debatable, obviously. Just keep building the soapbox bigger every time you come back after a break....the reward's just in sight.


And what goes on between me and my god......

[3 to be 4]

I think that's debatable, obviously. Just keep building the soapbox bigger every time you come back after a break....the reward's just in sight.


And what goes on between me and my god......


who's asking you?? keep it personal. whats that got to with with everybody else. let the other 1,000 people speak for themselves.

[3 to be 4]

Ma nishtana ha lailah ha zeh mikol halailot?

("Why is THIS night different from all other nights")

Oy Vay :) :)

[3 to be 4]

have a great Saturday night everyone.

Praise the Lord for all the ways He blesses us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_dgXi75FyU

[Turd Furguson]

So much for 3 to be 4 leaving this board. Praise be to Allah *****es!

[3 to be 4]

this link is probably more helpful than anything else I could post. All the answers are right in there.

http://bibledev.azaz.com/bibleresources/bible_kjv.php

Gods Word is alive and well. How is your relationhip with God today? If you died today would you be ready to face Him? Have you put the world and its concerns ahead of His concerns, and His wishes for you?

He is ready to meet you where you are, as you are, no trappings of religion. No, one hour at church and the rest of the week back to normal. Nothing to do with being good enough, giving enough, earning your way in.
All that is religion. He wants your heart. He wants your time. He wants your belief and trust. And His faithfulness to you will have no end.

If you are ready, say this prayer, or a prayer like it. take this step to Him and will take two to you.

"God, I recognize that I have not lived my life for You up until now. I have been living for myself and that is wrong. I'm done. I need You in my life; I want You in my life. I acknowledge the completed work of Your Son Jesus Christ in giving His life for me on the cross at Calvary, and I long to receive the forgiveness you have made freely available to me through this sacrifice. Come into my life now, Lord. Take up residence in my heart , be my king, my Lord, and my Savior. From this day forward, I will no longer be controlled by the desire to please myself, but I will follow You all the days of my life.
I ask this in Jesus' precious and holy name. Amen."


If you said this prayer in sincerity, you have entered a magnificent journey.
Congratulations. It is only the beginning. Remember, you are not alone.
Follow this up with others. Pick up the Bible and read the Gospels, especially Matthew and John. Find a Bible based church where all glory goes to Jesus Christ.

Thank you for responding to the call. Have a Blessed and peaceful day everyone

* People, myself included, are flawed and ever changing. There is one who will always be faithful to you. Jesus Christ. Seek him out and you wont go wrong.

[3 to be 4]

Go beyond the words you read from us flawed folks on a message board

check out Gospels for yourself: Matthew and John in particular.

http://bibledev.azaz.com/bibleresources/bible_kjv.php

[3 to be 4]

Despite the messages we get from our culture, there is more to this life than serving ourselves. This life is temporary, it goes by in a blink of an eye, and all the stuff we accumulate on the outside or in our bank accounts dont mean very much when compared to eternity.

There are lots of self-help books out there to fix temporary problems. But there is one book that offers the ultimate answers to all our hearts desires.

http://bibledev.azaz.com/bibleresources/bible_kjv.php

like a powerful love story? Check out Matthew.

take one step toward Him and He will take two to you.

[3 to be 4]

Go beyond the words you read from us flawed folks on a message board

check out Gospels for yourself: Matthew and John in particular.

http://bibledev.azaz.com/bibleresources/bible_kjv.php

[3 to be 4]

John 3
1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

22After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

23And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

24For John was not yet cast into prison.

25Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.

26And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

27John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

28Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.

29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

30He must increase, but I must decrease.

31He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

[PatsFanInVa]

Just curious, do you intend to post the entirety of the Christian bible here, post by post? Or will you be mixing in replies to yourself with links to various performers as previously? Can you work in the Vegetable evangelists and Davy and Goliath? I KNOW they're somewhere on youTube by now...

By the way, John 3:2, which you've posted here, contradicts Matthew 12:27, which acknowledges that others in first century Judea were also performing various miracles, who were alllied with Pharisaic authorities, either by family (literal "sons,") or by discipleship to them.

John 3:2, from your post:

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Matthew 12:27

And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out?

Clearly, the passage in Matthew deals with exorcism, and Nicodemus is merely opining that miracles (in general) prove Jesus' divine favor, if not messiahship. Jesus certainly does not go out of his way to disabuse Nicodemus of this notion -- although in Matthew, Jesus is aware that "doing miracles" is a common hobby, and one that can be ascribed to either God or Beelzebul.

The reader may just consider Jesus to be less that scrupulous in the matter, shewd, or what have you. Not believing all Christian scripture to be journalistic verbatim reporting, I think the passages point more to the divide between the synoptics and John, who, as you demonstrate, goes off in his proto-gnostic direction in the continuation of the passage cited.

Certainly the two passages combine to point us toward an understanding of scriptures which must be read in historical context (or, if you prefer, scriptures which are hypocritical in the first. I personally would not be that hard on any religion, but this reflects my own viewpoint that it is better to admit the historical nature of biblical authorship, than to embrace hypocrisy as the nature of the Divine.)

Interesting stuff, as always.

Thanks,

PFnV

[3 to be 4]

Peace be with you my man.

[shmessy]

Dammit, PFiV!!!

Why did you have to ruin it?

3tobe4 was going for the record of consecutive postings with oneself without anyone else participating and you blew it!!!!!!

He was THIS close to being inducted into the Spammers Hall of Fame.

Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

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3/4 is not a spiritual man, he is a religionist obsessed with and consumed by religionism. It's like any other addiction -- drugs, gambling, etc. -- only rationalized in the "name" of Christianity.

[3 to be 4]

3/4 is not a spiritual man, he is a religionist obsessed with and consumed by religionism. It's like any other addiction -- drugs, gambling, etc. -- only rationalized in the "name" of Christianity.

You are with me all the hours of the day to know what is in my heart? Im very impressed, although doubtful.

I wish you all a peaceful night.

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You are with me all the hours of the day to know what is in my heart?

No, but I see enough of your religionism on this messageboard to suspect that you have an addiction problem wholly unrelated to spirituality. Out of curiosity, have you had past struggles with alcohol/substance abuse, the recovery from which you attribute to your faith? (Understandable if you choose not to answer, although you might see this as an opportunity to bear witness.)

[3 to be 4]

If loving the Lord is an addiction, Im an addicted, Jesus freak!!!!

Thank God!

What do you worship? Everybody worships something. If its not the Lord, its money, your job, your social standing, your relationships, YOURSELF.

Im very grateful to be a full fledged Jesus junkie!!!

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If loving the Lord is an addiction, Im an addicted, Jesus freak!!!!

Thank God!

What do you worship? Everybody worships something. If its not the Lord, its money, your job, your social standing, your relationships, YOURSELF.

Im very grateful to be a full fledged Jesus junkie!!!

Loving the Lord is cool and fine, but I'm not talking about that. I'm addressing what appears to be your compulsive need to take up space with religionist bloviating on this messageboard, where no one is interested in reading it but yourself. Care to answer my question about any past struggles with substance abuse?

[3 to be 4]

Loving the Lord is cool and fine, but I'm not talking about that. I'm addressing what appears to be your compulsive need to take up space with religionist bloviating on this messageboard, where no one is interested in reading it but yourself. Care to answer my question about any past struggles with substance abuse?

ok, im not a substance abuse addict. How about you?

as far as a compulsive need to take up space.....its funny how nobody says the samr thing when people post the same Bush is #$%&& or Clinton is a ^&*$# or Brady is great or we should etc etc etc. those things are all repeated over and over and over and over and all to sway opinion, btw.

but if its about God suddenly its a big problem, or as you put it, an "addiction"

My priorities are just in line with Gods commandments. And thats just here. I have a very full and plentiful life, which i enjoy knowing that I have an eternity to spend with the Lord. Its very freeing.

As far as nobody being interested......there isnt a music video ive posted, and everybody knows by now what my subject matter is, that hasnt been viewed. And if 1 person views and enjoys it then that makes my month.

And for weeks, without others replying ( so i know its not people looking to see a verbal fight or anything) hundred of people have clicked on to the Please Read this if....and the Old Testament reasons threads.........

others here have tried to bury that under a "marketing" reason why that doesnt matter. But numbers are numbers.

1 person was enough for me. 2,000 on one and nearly 1,000 on another kind of tells me there is interest in viewing something that actually talks about Jesus in a positive light.

If it bothers you, dont click on and read and get yourself bothered.

its just a website, just a chat. why did you click on it knowing that it would bother you so?

I dont particularly like every thread i see. I dont have to label somebody something because i dont agree.

I hope I answered the question. I actually left out the most important reason. I, as a believer, am supposed to go out in the world and communicate to the world the Gospel. This is the new communication. Just as TV was in 1948. Im just thinking outside the box, so to speak.

coming from New England, i remembered the lack of outlets there were for people there to express their love for Jesus Christ. You can express your love for politics ( Dems), sports, music, but not Jesus Christ.

Just thought id bust through that. Its been a blast!

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ok, im not a substance abuse addict. How about you?

as far as a compulsive need to take up space.....its funny how nobody says the samr thing when people post the same Bush is #$%&& or Clinton is a ^&*$# or Brady is great or we should etc etc etc. those things are all repeated over and over and over and over and all to sway opinion, btw.

but if its about God suddenly its a big problem, or as you put it, an "addiction"

My priorities are just in line with Gods commandments. And thats just here. I have a very full and plentiful life, which i enjoy knowing that I have an eternity to spend with the Lord. Its very freeing.

As far as nobody being interested......there isnt a music video ive posted, and everybody knows by now what my subject matter is, that hasnt been viewed. And if 1 person views and enjoys it then that makes my month.

And for weeks, without others replying ( so i know its not people looking to see a verbal fight or anything) hundred of people have clicked on to the Please Read this if....and the Old Testament reasons threads.........

others here have tried to bury that under a "marketing" reason why that doesnt matter. But numbers are numbers.

1 person was enough for me. 2,000 on one and nearly 1,000 on another kind of tells me there is interest in viewing something that actually talks about Jesus in a positive light.

If it bothers you, dont click on and read and get yourself bothered.

its just a website, just a chat. why did you click on it knowing that it would bother you so?

I dont particularly like every thread i see. I dont have to label somebody something because i dont agree.

I hope I answered the question. I actually left out the most important reason. I, as a believer, am supposed to go out in the world and communicate to the world the Gospel. This is the new communication. Just as TV was in 1948. Im just thinking outside the box, so to speak.

coming from New England, i remembered the lack of outlets there were for people there to express their love for Jesus Christ. You can express your love for politics ( Dems), sports, music, but not Jesus Christ.

Just thought id bust through that. Its been a blast!

I have a very strong belief in God myself, but don't feel a compulsion, as you apparently do, to push it upon others. That you feel directed via religion to persistently "witness/recruit" without regard to the wishes of fellow board members is a chauvenistic conceit and imposition that really has no place here. What you're doing has little if anything to do with divine spirit and everything to do with addictive processes driven by religious dogma.

[3 to be 4]

I have a very strong belief in God myself, but don't feel a compulsion, as you apparently do, to push it upon others. That you feel directed via religion to persistently "witness/recruit" without regard to the wishes of fellow board members is a chauvenistic conceit and imposition that really has no place here. What you're doing has little if anything to do with divine spirit and everything to do with addictive processes driven by religious dogma.


How is it possible to "push it upon others"? By making you click on the thread?

the Divine Spirit tells us to do exactly what Im doing, spreading the good news of Jesus Christ. Doing it on a chat room may not be what has been done in the past, but we didnt have the technology.

If you choose to believe as you do, that is fine with me. Nobody is forcing you to read anything. There are many board memebers who dont like what others posters have to say either, it doesnt make those posters "addicts".

Take responsibility for the things you choose to read. If nobody had ever responded to any of my clearly marked threads (Please read this if you need Jesus, Old Testament reasons for Jews to believe in Jesus etc etc) or clicked on to them to read them, that would have had more influence on any decision i might have made to stop or continue. Much more than the 10 or 12 posters who objected to the glorification of Jesus Christ on a message board.

God is so much more important than the things we worry about in our daily battles. Our lives are gone in a blink of an eye. Nothing could be more important than a persons relationship to God. Everything we have will be gone someday. Job. Gone. Money Gone. The people we are closest to. Gone. Our bodies. Gone. There is one that will still be with us when its all over. That one is the Lord.

Nobody is pushing anything on anyone. All you had to do was to not click on. But im glad you did.

Peace be with you.

[PatsFanInVa]

I have to reluctantly agree with 3tob on one subject; people do -- eventually -- keep replying to his thread. This is like giving a thousand monkeys typewriters and an infinite food supply; since the thread is ubiquitous by dint of auto-bumping, eventually it is predictable that someone will reply.

Those who have replied, either in the midst of an auto-reply masturbatory frenzy, or in the course of debate, seem to come in two distinct varieties: those who were already believers, and those who very much dislike 3toB's hijacking of the general forum for his own advertising purposes. The repeated auto-replies that serve to make the general forum into his personal free ad space is definitely a unique feature. Not that I haven't "auto-bumped" my own thread a time or two... but IIRC, there were 3 or 4 such consecutive auto-bumps to this one. You can see how if everybody behaved in this way, the board would be paralyzed.

I notice also that faced with a direct contradiction within the Gospels, 3toB prefers to answer the tactical question (which in itself is good tactics.)

A final word in support of 3toB's argument, that people are disgusted by (in 3toB's world, "interested in") his salesmanship: A while back I posted a thread linking to Jews for Judaism, a group I had just discovered via a charitable giving umbrella group. I signed myself up for 10 bucks per paycheck into their coffers. It's not that I agree with everything they say, but through this board, I've come to realize that our country is shot through with this sort of balderdash, and it's best to teach the young and the ignorant, lest they fall for a bundle of self-contradictory "proof texts" and the like. Jews for Judaism seems more aware of the need to get info out there than other groups. I do attribute that move to the disgust I feel at 3toB's more obnoxious provocations.

PFnV

[3 to be 4]

I have to reluctantly agree with 3tob on one subject; people do -- eventually -- keep replying to his thread. This is like giving a thousand monkeys typewriters and an infinite food supply; since the thread is ubiquitous by dint of auto-bumping, eventually it is predictable that someone will reply.

Those who have replied, either in the midst of an auto-reply masturbatory frenzy, or in the course of debate, seem to come in two distinct varieties: those who were already believers, and those who very much dislike 3toB's hijacking of the general forum for his own advertising purposes. The repeated auto-replies that serve to make the general forum into his personal free ad space is definitely a unique feature. Not that I haven't "auto-bumped" my own thread a time or two... but IIRC, there were 3 or 4 such consecutive auto-bumps to this one. You can see how if everybody behaved in this way, the board would be paralyzed.

I notice also that faced with a direct contradiction within the Gospels, 3toB prefers to answer the tactical question (which in itself is good tactics.)

A final word in support of 3toB's argument, that people are disgusted by (in 3toB's world, "interested in") his salesmanship: A while back I posted a thread linking to Jews for Judaism, a group I had just discovered via a charitable giving umbrella group. I signed myself up for 10 bucks per paycheck into their coffers. It's not that I agree with everything they say, but through this board, I've come to realize that our country is shot through with this sort of balderdash, and it's best to teach the young and the ignorant, lest they fall for a bundle of self-contradictory "proof texts" and the like. Jews for Judaism seems more aware of the need to get info out there than other groups. I do attribute that move to the disgust I feel at 3toB's more obnoxious provocations.

PFnV

the simple reason i didnt repond to that question about the supposed contradiction is that you and I have shown an inability to have fruitful debate. Whatever I answer, you will distort, or you will eventually feel that I have distorted something that you said. I do not wish to debate you anymore and I wont.

How do you hijack something that everybody has free access to? Once again, if not interested, dont click on and/or reply.

I wish you peace.

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the simple reason i didnt repond to that question about the supposed contradiction is that you and I have shown an inability to have fruitful debate. Whatever I answer, you will distort, or you will eventually feel that I have distorted something that you said. I do not wish to debate you anymore and I wont.

How do you hijack something that everybody has free access to? Once again, if not interested, dont click on and/or reply.

I wish you peace.

You're like speed bumps at a strip mall. Sure, people can choose to ignore your threads, but they still must pass over them to get to things they really want to read. I originally opened this thread out of curiosity over the anticipated debates within, not because I "need Jesus." You don't seem to be a very reasonable guy at all from what I've read here. And I still maintain that you are driven by a compulsive addiction to religion; genuinely spiritual folks don't behave in your manner.

[PatsFanInVa]

3, You may keep your sidearm.

Tune, we have a saying in Washington: those who know don't talk, and those who talk don't know.

Mystics of many religions have come to precisely that conclusion regarding spirituality -- and lots of laypeople are able to coexist in a multitude of private convictions, by acting on them, rather than preaching them to others... it strikes me as an eminently reasonable way of going about the business of being human and living one's spirituality.

Just my 2 cents,

PFnV

[3 to be 4]

my, if you guys are so at peace, i still dont understand the hostility. As far as the "speedbump" analogy...is it REALLY that difficult to "pass over" them. Are they like a huge mountain to navigate your way over? Im sorry if I have made it SO difficult for anybody to find the thread they were looking for.

You 2 may not have clicked on because of a need for Jesus, thats fine for you. Again, i never FORCED you to do or to read anything. Take responsibility. Its not liked I walked up to you in mall and started jabbering at you. You can get away from anything I have to say very simply, by not opening it up.

Have a blessed day.

[shmessy]

And for weeks, without others replying ( so i know its not people looking to see a verbal fight or anything) hundred of people have clicked on to the Please Read this if....and the Old Testament reasons threads.........

others here have tried to bury that under a "marketing" reason why that doesnt matter. But numbers are numbers.

1 person was enough for me. 2,000 on one and nearly 1,000 on another kind of tells me there is interest in viewing something that actually talks about Jesus in a positive light.



So he who gets the most eyeballs on it wins? Is that your religious philosophy? Pretty shallow.

By the way, d'ya know what THE most viewed content is on the internet? Do the viewership numbers make THAT right?

[3 to be 4]

hello, Mr Distortion, its been awhile. Bait away. Im not playing anymore.

Peace be with you

[shmessy]

hello, Mr Distortion, its been awhile. Bait away. Im not playing anymore.

Peace be with you

Aw c'mon out and play! You're fun and your threads get lost of eyeballs on them. It's all about the numbers, isn't it? You're an ACE marketer, dude!

[3 to be 4]

Aw c'mon out and play! You're fun and your threads get lost of eyeballs on them. It's all about the numbers, isn't it? You're an ACE marketer, dude!

i know i'll regret this but........

I NEVER said it was about getting the most hits on any thread on Patsfan.com, or about "getting the most eyeballs on them".
I SAID that if one person viewed it and enjoyed that would make me very happy.
And the fact that 2 very clearly marked threads (so people know exactly what they are getting) have gotten 2,000 and 1,000 views tells me that at the very least my goal has been met.

The same with the videos, obviously, somebody out there is enjoying them because people by now know what im posting, and theres no debate to chuckle at.

that is very different than the distorted interpretation of my words that you have posted.

my goal isnt to compete with any other posts, its to offer an alternative for that one person.

one other thought about this idea of "addiction" because i post a lot or try to influence others. Are the Democrats who post here any different? or the Republicans? funny, you are only an "addict" or "pushing your views on others" if its about Jesus Christ. I still think its kind of funny to hear this desciption of anyone having my views "forced on them". By "forcing" them to read my posts? Grow up, people.

Peace to you.

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one other thought about this idea of "addiction" because i post a lot or try to influence others. Are the Democrats who post here any different? or the Republicans? funny, you are only an "addict" or "pushing your views on others" if its about Jesus Christ. I still think its kind of funny to hear this desciption of anyone having my views "forced on them". By "forcing" them to read my posts? Grow up, people.

Peace to you.

Dude, you ARE a religion ADDICT! "Here's the good news, everyone! Try my religion! Subscribe to my dogma! It'll make you feel goooooooood!" How many hours a day do you spend obsessing like this?

Go in peace.

[3 to be 4]

Dude, you ARE a religion ADDICT! "Here's the good news, everyone! Try my religion! Subscribe to my dogma! It'll make you feel goooooooood!" How many hours a day do you spend obsessing like this?

Go in peace.

why are you concerned?

I already told you. If you mean by addicted that Jesus Christ is the center of my life and I have a need for him everyday, then by all means, Im hooked, im a Jesus Junkie, Im a Jesus freak. Praise the Lord!!

but i never made the quotes that you refer to above. If you want to feel gooooood, as you say, then stick with what the world has to offer, the things most people worship, Alcohol, Drugs, Money,Relationships, Sex, yourself,

I dont offer "Religion". I dont offer "feel goooooooooood"

Its about a relationship with Jesus Christ. Im glad you keep asking questions.

Be well my friend.


Colossians 3
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

[shmessy]

Dude, you ARE a religion ADDICT! "Here's the good news, everyone! Try my religion! Subscribe to my dogma! It'll make you feel goooooooood!" How many hours a day do you spend obsessing like this?

Go in peace.

Actually, Tunie, that describes a Religion "Dealer" or "Pimp". He's trying to CREATE "Addicts" - - people to have a dependency, to submit themselves to something.

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Actually, Tunie, that describes a Religion "Dealer" or "Pimp". He's trying to CREATE "Addicts" - - people to have a dependency, to submit themselves to something.

The thought crossed my mind to call him a "pusher," but I wanted to keep things relatively civil. The thing is, he feeds upon our challenging him as a way to reinforce his own addictive process and the religionists' view that the unwashed masses ("sinners") will resist relinquishing their worldly ways by ridiculing him until they finally are brought to "see the light." By becoming a religionist, he has chosen to adopt a belief system rooted in abdication of personal responsibility for one's thoughts and actions (re., "giving one's self to Jesus/God") as defined by his sect's narrow interpretation of the Christian bible. This extends to an ongoing campaign of attempting to control others by luring them into the sect with the promise of eternal life so they can feel "free" and "righteous," and needn't stress any longer over wordly travails. We've often seen 3 to be 4 state that Jesus has set him "free" and that "I need Jesus every day." I've heard heroin addicts say similar things; the addictive mindset is very similar, just a different drug or panacea. Religionists believe that in the context of eternal life, none of our personal worldly concerns matter anyway (as long as one is "saved"). Nothing could be more wrong, as our very purpose in life is to evolve as loving, spiritual beings through the myriad challenges and hardships we were brought into this incarnation to experience. What 3 to be 4 professes has little to do with the true spiritual principles of Christianity, or with one developing a personal relationship with God through the example of Christ's divine life. The genuine Christian relies upon spiritual guidance for (1). learning how to assume personal responsibility for one's thoughts, actions, happiness and well-being, (2). learning how to honor and love one's self, and (3). extending that love to others. You can't get to #3 without first dedicating yourself to #1 and #2 and working damn hard at it. 3 to be 4 suggests sidestepping all that by buying into a ready-made religionist belief system. Without doing the work necessary to evolve personally and spiritually, he and others of his ilk are little more than dogma-spewing, scripture-quoting religion addicts. A person who becomes self-realized through spiritual guidance feels no need to "spread the word" or cajole others into adopting religionism as a way of life. They effortlessly attract others to them by living a life of grace, as God and Christ (as well as Buddha, Mohammed, Moses, et al.) intended. If 3 to be 4 had a discerning mind and knew his Christian history, he'd understand the historical basis of evangelism as an old-world mode of fear-based population control by feudal tyrants. Again, it's got nothing to do with spirituality.

[shmessy]

The thought crossed my mind to call him a "pusher," but I wanted to keep things relatively civil. The thing is, he feeds upon our challenging him as a way to reinforce his own addictive process and the religionists' view that the unwashed masses ("sinners") will resist relinquishing their worldly ways by ridiculing him until they finally are brought to "see the light." By becoming a religionist, he has chosen to adopt a belief system rooted in abdication of personal responsibility for one's thoughts and actions (re., "giving one's self to Jesus/God") as defined by his sect's narrow interpretation of the Christian bible. This extends to an ongoing campaign of attempting to control others by luring them into the sect with the promise of eternal life so they can feel "free" and "righteous," and needn't stress any longer over wordly travails. Religionists believe that in the context of eternal life, none of it really matters anyway (as long as one is "saved"). Nothing could be more wrong, as our very purpose in life is to evolve as loving, spiritual beings through the myriad challenges and hardships we were brought into this incarnation to experience. What 3 to be 4 professes has little to do with the true spiritual principles of Christianity, or with one developing a personal relationship with God through the example of Christ's divine life. The genuine Christian relies upon spiritual guidance for (1). learning how to assume personal responsibility for one's thoughts, actions, happiness and well-being, (2). learning how to honor and love one's self, and (3). extending that love to others. You can't get to #3 without first dedicating yourself to #1 and #2 and working damn hard at it. 3 to be 4 suggests sidestepping all that by buying into a ready-made religionist belief system. Without doing the work necessary to evolve personally and spiritually, he and others of his ilk are little more than dogma-spewing, scripture-quoting religion addicts. A person who becomes self-realized through spiritual guidance feels no need to "spread the word" or cajole others into adopting religionism as a way of life. They effortlessly attract others to them by living a life of grace, as God and Christ (as well as Buddha, Mohammed, Moses, et al.) intended. If 3 to be 4 had a discerning mind and knew his Christian history, he'd understand the historical basis of evangelism as an old-world mode of fear-based population control by feudal tyrants. Again, it's got nothing to do with spirituality.

To me, that is the best post of this thread. Thank you, Tunescribe.

[Tunescribe]

Adding to the above: 3 to be 4's over-emphasis on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ further indicates where he is stuck in the dogmatic obsessive/addictive religionist process. Christ was a divine messenger who sacrificed much to "point the way" toward God realization. Yet, people like 3 to be 4 are too mesmerized by the "finger" (Christ) to fully comprehend and appreciate where that finger is pointing. That is, toward opening one's self to a personal relationship with spiritual guidance free of religious precepts. It's all about the message, not the messenger or the limiting/controlling/judgmental falsehoods we've constructed around him the last 2,000 years. It's not about a relationship with Jesus Christ, or Buddha, or Mohammed, or whatever source one identifies with as the pathway to spirit. It's about a direct relationship with God. To argue otherwise on behalf of whatever doctrine or messenger you've latched onto misses the point entirely, and leaves one prey to the manmade deceit plaguing most of the world's religions as they are institutionally applied.

[3 to be 4]

Adding to the above: 3 to be 4's over-emphasis on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ further indicates where he is stuck in the dogmatic obsessive/addictive religionist process. Christ was a divine messenger who sacrificed much to "point the way" toward God realization. Yet, people like 3 to be 4 are too mesmerized by the "finger" (Christ) to fully comprehend and appreciate where that finger is pointing. That is, toward opening one's self to a personal relationship with spiritual guidance free of religious precepts. It's all about the message, not the messenger or the limiting/controlling/judgmental falsehoods we've constructed around him the last 2,000 years. It's not about a relationship with Jesus Christ, or Buddha, or Mohammed, or whatever source one identifies with as the pathway to spirit. It's about a direct relationship with God. To argue otherwise on behalf of whatever doctrine or messenger you've latched onto misses the point entirely, and leaves one prey to the manmade deceit plaguing most of the world's religions as they are institutionally applied.


wow. for someone who doesnt believe in Jesus Christ, you sure do know a lot about Christianity and what it means to be a Christian.
Where exactly, did you learn about what it means to be a Christian?, because nothing you said is found in the Bible, and if its not in the Bible, you are pretty much making up your own rules.
You're free do it if you wish, but it has absolutly nothing to do with anything worth noting by me or any other Christian.

again, i have to say, its very interesting to me how you fellows cant seem to avoid this topic. But I welcome your comments.

Have a blessed night.

[Tunescribe]

wow. for someone who doesnt believe in Jesus Christ, you sure do know a lot about Christianity and what it means to be a Christian.
Where exactly, did you learn about what it means to be a Christian?, because nothing you said is found in the Bible, and if its not in the Bible, you are pretty much making up your own rules.
You're free do it if you wish, but it has absolutly nothing to do with anything worth noting by me or any other Christian.

again, i have to say, its very interesting to me how you fellows cant seem to avoid this topic. But I welcome your comments.

Have a blessed night.

Yup, heaven forbid you think for yourself on any of this, or accept that the bible is open to a wide range of interpretations, most of which are just as legitimate as your own. How do you leap to the assumption that I don't believe in Jesus Christ? Oh yeah, that's right -- because it doesn't jive with what YOU believe.

[3 to be 4]

Yup, heaven forbid you think for your