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[Harry Boy]

Billions of dollars were donated for "Katrina Victims" WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?

The scummy Red Cross is at the top of the "Receiving List"

Why hasn't School Bus Nagin been rebuilding, why hasn't he put some of those "hard hit" people to work rebuilding, all they did was "Rebuild The Bar Rooms" so they could all stay drunk and Tap Dance on the street.

Nagin wants Bush to send down "workers" to do the job while all the locals sit out in front of the liquor store and sing.

[sdaniels7114]

Was the Red Cross 'scummy' when Elizabeth Dole was the President or is this a recent thing?

[wistahpatsfan]

Originally Posted by Harry Boy

Billions of dollars were donated for "Katrina Victims" WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?

The scummy Red Cross is at the top of the "Receiving List"

Why hasn't School Bus Nagin been rebuilding, why hasn't he put some of those "hard hit" people to work rebuilding, all they did was "Rebuild The Bar Rooms" so they could all stay drunk and Tap Dance on the street.

Nagin wants Bush to send down "workers" to do the job while all the locals sit out in front of the liquor store and sing.

Harry,
I wonder if you saw the documentary on HBO last night about Katrina? (Was that the Spike Lee thing?) I tried to see it all but I couldn't last. What I saw was a complete failure of not only Nagin, the governor and the Feds, but of everyone around NO and the whole country. The part that hit me most was the account of three or four days after the storm, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police from Vancouver showed up before any National Guard or Army personnel did...the FRIGGIN CANADIANS! The first thing they wondered was "where's your Army?

You know I'm for people pulling themselves up and cleaning up after themselves, but this whole thing was much worse than anything that ever happenned in this country before. I wonder if the whole city shouldn't be scrapped, cleared out, and never be rebuilt again. Hell, the only survivors of that storm that seem to be doing OK are the ones that relocated far away. Make it a control port for Mississippi commerce and gulf oil or whatever, but move the culture, food, music, etc. up to Memphis or Baton Rouge or anyplace else but there. Bad geography and natural hazard. If we were starting over and planning the location of cities logically, NO and Vegas would never exist.

[Real World]

Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan

The first thing they wondered was "where's your Army?

It's is against the law for US military personal to be deployed in our cities. It becomes a question of states rights versus federal authority. It all goes back to the days post the Civil War, when the south did not want Northern soldiers deployed throughout southern states. Anyhow, this is a HUGE part of the Katrina boon doggle that gets such little publicity. Why? Cuz to talk about it would releive GW of a good chunk of culpability. You see, GW wanted to send troops, he wanted to federalize the relief operation in LA, the problem was that the governor, Blanco, didn't want to concede power. So while she fugged her own people with poor preparedness, she also caused more suffering because she had a power trip. In the end, the fed went in. Had she made up her mind sooner, the troops would have been there sooner.

I happen to support states rights. I don't like the idea of a military police state at the governments discression. I think what makes us great as a nation is states rights. That being said, the maroonity of todays politics cost lives. This douche was too worried she'd get too little face time that she hesitated to make the right decision, which was to let the fed in. In the end she did, and people died needlessly until she did so.

BTW, this is why I somewhat defend Bush on Katrina. He is clearly to be served a few slices from the blame pie, but only the ignorant pass him the entire thing. GW gets more blame than he should. This was a fugg up on every level. It should serve as an example why you need to take care of yourself.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...s-troops_x.htm

Katrina raises questions about domestic use of troops

By John Yaukey, Gannett News Service

WASHINGTON — Hurricane Katrina invaded like an enemy: cutting communications, isolating security forces and severing supply lines.

Troops such as these from the 82nd Airborne could respond quickly to domestic incidents if laws are changed.
By Steven Senne, AP

It's no surprise then that disaster coordinators, Pentagon officials and military experts are war-gaming future domestic catastrophes with the full-time military playing an integral first-responder role — possibly as a police force — which is now illegal.

"I think that's one of the interesting issues that Congress needs to take a look at," President Bush said while making his third tour of the battered Gulf Coast region this week.

Some homeland security experts now believe there should be federal troops — that don't need 72 hours for call-up as some National Guard units require — capable of dropping into a disaster zone as the damage is being done, rather than afterward.

"More of our military capability should be on alert in this kind of situation to move within hours instead of days," said Michael O'Hanlon, who studies both homeland security and military issues at the Washington, D.C.-based Brooking Institution. "This includes both people and equipment like low-draft boats capable of cutting through shallow water."

This new thinking about a federal military presence in natural disasters was made abundantly clear when Coast Guard Vice Admiral Thad Allen replaced civilian Michael Brown, the embattled former director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, as the head of all federal efforts in Katrina's wake.

But this debate is not without considerable historical baggage. The reluctance to use federal troops on U.S. soil is rooted in the perennial American struggle between states' rights and federal authority.

Here are some questions and answers that explore a sensitive policy issue that could change the way Americans save lives when disaster strikes:

• Question: How much faster can full-time troops respond to disasters such as Hurricane Katrina than the National Guard?

Answer: A good example is the Army's elite 82nd Airborne Division. This unit, headquartered at Fort Bragg, N.C., is capable of dropping troops into action anywhere in the world in less than 20 hours.

It can take National Guard units several days to respond in strength to hurricanes.

The 82nd Airborne is now helping with humanitarian aid in the Gulf Coast region, steering clear of any police activity.

There are about 20,000 active duty troops in the Gulf Coast region now, serving alongside 50,000 National Guard forces.

• Q: As New Orleans flooded and slipped in anarchy, Katrina victims were pleading for more security. Why couldn't federal troops come to their rescue?

A: Federal troops are legally constrained in what they can do domestically by the Posse Comitatus Act. Passed in 1878 to limit the use of federal troops to control southern polling places, Posse Comitatus makes it a crime to employ "any part of the Army …to execute the laws." It does not apply to the U.S. Coast Guard.

• Q: Can the restrictions using federal troops for domestic enforcement be suspended in time of emergency?

A: Two laws allow this.

The president can invoke the Insurrection Act, which permits the military use of federal troops on U.S. soil to put down violence that local authorities are incapable of handling.

Under the National Defense Act of 1916, the president can federalize a state's National Guard troops in an effort to centralize control over a chaotic situation. Bush suggested "federalizing" Louisiana's Guard forces when the chaos in New Orleans began escalating, but Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco objected.

• Q: Have these measures been used before?

A: Yes. The elder President George H.W. Bush federalized the Guard forces used to quell the 1992 riots in Los Angeles.

In 1957, then President Eisenhower used federal troops and the Arkansas National Guard to force the desegregation of Little Rock's schools.

In 1963, President Kennedy used Alabama's Guard to force desegregation at the University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa.

• Q: Why change the laws restricting federal troops if there are fairly direct ways of circumventing them when the need arises?

A: Invoking rarely used measures can be difficult, time-consuming and potentially highly controversial.

In the case of Louisiana, a Republican president would be taking control from a Democratic governor. The Bush administrations debated this, and decided against it, according to reports about the dialogue between Washington and Baton Rouge.

Automatic mechanisms that permit, or even obligate, a powerful federal military response to a major disaster could save time by eliminating politics and indecision.

[Harry Boy]

Originally Posted by sdaniels7114

Was the Red Cross 'scummy' when Elizabeth Dole was the President or is this a recent thing?

Yes it was, it has been like that for years, my family got f-cked good by the bastards.
They are there when you need them at times but you will pay for it, the Red Cross is Bigger than Haliburton and there are more crooks in the Red Cross than there are in the UN.

[DarrylS]

You know what is worse here, is the churches all took up collections for Katrina, now they can go back to the feds and get the money donated as they are considered faith based groups. Talk about hypocracy, complain about the Red Cross, but America's taliban is double dipping big time.

[Harry Boy]

Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan

Harry,
I wonder if you saw the documentary on HBO last night about Katrina? (Was that the Spike Lee thing?) I tried to see it all but I couldn't last. What I saw was a complete failure of not only Nagin, the governor and the Feds, but of everyone around NO and the whole country. The part that hit me most was the account of three or four days after the storm, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police from Vancouver showed up before any National Guard or Army personnel did...the FRIGGIN CANADIANS! The first thing they wondered was "where's your Army?

You know I'm for people pulling themselves up and cleaning up after themselves, but this whole thing was much worse than anything that ever happenned in this country before. I wonder if the whole city shouldn't be scrapped, cleared out, and never be rebuilt again. Hell, the only survivors of that storm that seem to be doing OK are the ones that relocated far away. Make it a control port for Mississippi commerce and gulf oil or whatever, but move the culture, food, music, etc. up to Memphis or Baton Rouge or anyplace else but there. Bad geography and natural hazard. If we were starting over and planning the location of cities logically, NO and Vegas would never exist.

I agree, the whole thing was a stinking mess, the Media zeroed in on Bush (naturally) but there was plenty of blame to go around right down in New Orleans and the whole state. The Governor should be thrwon out and Nagin should have thrown out but the people want him so now they have him and he will keep on screwing them.
The "Bowl" will overflow again.

[Patters]

Originally Posted by Harry Boy

Billions of dollars were donated for "Katrina Victims" WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?

The scummy Red Cross is at the top of the "Receiving List"

Why hasn't School Bus Nagin been rebuilding, why hasn't he put some of those "hard hit" people to work rebuilding, all they did was "Rebuild The Bar Rooms" so they could all stay drunk and Tap Dance on the street.

Nagin wants Bush to send down "workers" to do the job while all the locals sit out in front of the liquor store and sing.

Not surprisingly, Harry's post is more about the dollars than the suffering of the people. In fact, in order, his post is first about money, second about deflecting blame from the administration, and third about stereotyping the victims of Katrina as drunk and tap dancing on the streets.

[Harry Boy]

Originally Posted by Patters

Not surprisingly, Harry's post is more about the dollars than the suffering of the people. In fact, in order, his post is first about money, second about deflecting blame from the administration, and third about stereotyping the victims of Katrina as drunk and tap dancing on the streets.

Where's the money?

[scout]

Originally Posted by Harry Boy

Billions of dollars were donated for "Katrina Victims" WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?

The scummy Red Cross is at the top of the "Receiving List"

Why hasn't School Bus Nagin been rebuilding, why hasn't he put some of those "hard hit" people to work rebuilding, all they did was "Rebuild The Bar Rooms" so they could all stay drunk and Tap Dance on the street.

Nagin wants Bush to send down "workers" to do the job while all the locals sit out in front of the liquor store and sing.

Wow, you must be livid concerning the even greater volume of Billions $$$$$ missing in Iraq.