Will a heavily supported Democrat Emerge for 08'

[IcyPatriot]

Perhaps I am jumping the gun...perhaps it is not possible considering all the issues...but it would seem wise for the democrats to choose 3 people and heavily promote them now...call it word play if you will.

It would be a back end around to get this country and the media to get fixated on the other issues facing this country...but I think it will work.

No republican is capable of this because even the most qualified, honest and sincere republican will be scrutinized for alignment wiuth Bush....but a democrat could pull it off.

Take Dean and his infamous scream last election...what if he was looked upon as Presidential by the voters...would he have been granted a pass for that scream...I say yes, he would have.

Perception is everything in politics...what people do tells more than what they say. The pollsters know the makeup of the democrat who can win...time to be honest and put those people forward...too bad for the others...they won't win anyways...the country needs a Bush break...more than ever.

[wistahpatsfan]

Time for a 3d party candidate if there ever was one.
Strong Dems include Biden, Clark and Dean IMO. Clinton is out.
Rebubs are down to McCain and Newt, IMO, who has no chance but is working the WWIII thing hard.
Sad field to pick from. I hope for a dark horse to rescue the nation.

[DarrylS]

My hope is that when I vote I will be voting for a person who deserves to be in office, not the lesser of two evils i.e. Kerry over Bush. We have been talking about this lately, does not seem to be a lot of innovative faces on the horizon and most of the names are the same old retreads...not inspired by anyone yet, wait a minute not inspired by much in the political field at all.

[QuiGon]

Originally Posted by F.B.N.

Perception is everything in politics...what people do tells more than what they say. The pollsters know the makeup of the democrat who can win...time to be honest and put those people forward...too bad for the others...they won't win anyways...the country needs a Bush break...more than ever.

I think this is going to be a nasty campaign on the left. There will be a pro-war/anti-war split, you have Kerry hinting about running again, you'll have Clinton getting attacked on all sides...

I can't wait..!!

[Real World]

Originally Posted by NEM

I cant see McCain winning the Republican nomination. [

More like you don't want him too. Dems are afraid of a McCain nomination. He's so moderate it's scary. The guy would attract lots of casual Dem voters. Lots of Dems feel he is has a high electability level with the respect to the field being mentioned. [/quote]

Originally Posted by NEM

McCainis divorced, and re married, he has stances on Gay rights and abortion that are somewhat contrary to the radical stance of the coalition...and if they support McCain, the Democrats could blow them out of the water with a stron campaign exposing their hypocrsy, which would be very bad for their overall stature.

Too funny. Exposing hypocracy? What hypocracy? You mean there are actual differences between all of these candidates? No way! Isn't Ried pro-life? Wait, he's the Dem leader in the Senate, how'd they choose him for that? Wasn't John Kerry divourced? How'd they nominate him in '04? Dems and Repubs are one and the same NEM. They no longer stand for anything distinctive. The Dems have ZERO platform, and the Repubs are being taped together by terrorism. Niether party has a message, a clue, or a candidate worth getting excited over.

As of 8/30/06:

McCain versus Hillary or Biden

McCain wins...woop-dee-fricken-doo....

Sure wish Jesse Ventura would run.

Originally Posted by NEM

That, BTW, is bad for any country, for its leader to have been elevated into his position because of a religious vote. It makes us no different than the situation in many countries, including Iraq, where the religious factions voted for THEIR man instead of the, overall, best qualified for the position.

At least you didn't use his name directly this time.

[IcyPatriot]

Originally Posted by NEM

The bigger question shoud be...Will ANY republican emerge in 2008, any one at all?

Most of them will either be in jail or indicted and on their way.

NEM...DO I HIJACK YOUR THREADS? NO, I DO NOT. SO PLEASE HAVE SOME MANNERS ONCE IN A WHILE.

This is exactly what I am talking about that people like sdaniels don't see. Bush does not need to be made part of every thread here. If the thread's author does not include Bush...it's because he has no place in the discussion.

Bush is not a democrat...so he need not be a part of this thread.

[Real World]

Originally Posted by QuiGon

I think this is going to be a nasty campaign on the left. There will be a pro-war/anti-war split, you have Kerry hinting about running again, you'll have Clinton getting attacked on all sides...

What would be interesting if McCain does get the Repub nomination (I'd be concerned he will be 72 in '08), will be how the Left treats the war questions. Remember, McCain was a POW in Vietnam.

The Repubs best hope right now is clearly McCain. Other possibles are Romney, Larry, Curly, and Moe.

The Dems best hope is whoever hasn't been mentioned yet . Seriously though, Hillary has no shot at all. Should she run, the right will drag her lesbian azz through the mud like a hog in a pigpen. She was offlimits as first lesbian, but as a candidate, her scandalous past will be front and center. Kerry is, well, John Kerry i.e. no chance. Al Bore? No thanks. I think Joe Biden should/could have a real good shot. He is a little flashy in his speak, but that may resonate some life into the comatose Democratic party. Wesley Clark is a good man, and actually sensible on some issues, but his politics are inferior to the bum career loosers who are also running. Oh, Howard Dean....hahahahahaha! The guy has done more to destroy the Dems chances than the tardo's are willing to realize. I'm actually grateful. Idiots like Dean, Tom Delay, Bill Frist, Trent Lott, Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, etc. do more to hurt their "parties" than they do to help them.

[Patters]

Originally Posted by Real World

More like you don't want him too. Dems are afraid of a McCain nomination. He's so moderate it's scary. The guy would attract lots of casual Dem voters. Lots of Dems feel he is has a high electability level with the respect to the field being mentioned.

I for one never liked McCain. Thought he was worse than Bush. I don't think the guy's stable, and I don't think he'll ever be president. I doubt if he's the strongest candidate. Even though Bush II is upopular, I think Jeb Bush might be the strongest candidate for the Republicans.

As in the Republican Party, the Democrats are undergoing a transformation. The moderates like the Clintons and Liebermans are under pressure to adopt more challenging positions. Liberals like me don't believe that splitting hairs like they do works. Even Bill Clinton never won more than 49% of the vote.

I think Edwards might be the best candidate for the Democrats. He has an appealing tone, is southern, is generally moderate. But, I like him because he's the only candidate in years whose willing to make poverty an issue. I think the Democrats went wrong when they mimicked Reagan by making the middle class their main focus. While the middle class certainly need support, it's still a lot better to be middle class than poor. The ethical high grounds rests on trying to improve the lot of the poor, and I think it might attract a number of religious conservatives.

That said, if Hillary wins the primary (and I hope she doesn't), I think she can beat McCain. Just remember that polarizing figures often get elected. Look at all the polarizing figures who have won: Bush II, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, Kennedy, etc.

[IcyPatriot]

Several McCain notes here. With all our budget troubles, I don't see McCain in any hurry to bring the troops back...and there are many other non $$$ reasons but that's for another thread.

We can't solve our domestic problems until we solve our international problems...for this reason the republicans don't appeal to me. I'm hoping a democrat (moderate preferred) comes out of the shadows who will be internationally tough while downsizing all our foreign operations.

When we downsize our foreign operations we can channel that $$$ to solving our budget problems which will in turn solve many domestic problems naturally as extra $$$ trickles down.

The biggest issue to me is downsizing our government...we are way too bloated and way too overextended. Put some extra $$$ into the CIA and situations like Al-Queda and Saddam could be nipped early on by supporting their enemies. Letting our foes battle their enemies is way cheaper in lives lost and $$$ spent in the long run.

[Real World]

Originally Posted by Patters

I for one never liked McCain. Thought he was worse than Bush. I don't think the guy's stable, and I don't think he'll ever be president. I doubt if he's the strongest candidate. Even though Bush II is upopular, I think Jeb Bush might be the strongest candidate for the Republicans.

Shows two things, you either know very little about today's political climate, or you simply cannot offer an unbiased opinion. McCain worse than Bush for you PAtters? Again, I think you Dems are afraid of his electability. Also, anyone who thinks Jeb Bush could have any chance in '08 needs to pass the pipe on down this way. There is no way a Bush could win in 2008. No one wants a Klinton 8 years later, yet you think they might want another Bush right now? No way at all.

Originally Posted by Patters

As in the Republican Party, the Democrats are undergoing a transformation.

Looks more like a merger to me.

Originally Posted by Patters

I think Edwards might be the best candidate for the Democrats. He has an appealing tone, is southern, is generally moderate. But, I like him because he's the only candidate in years whose willing to make poverty an issue. I think the Democrats went wrong when they mimicked Reagan by making the middle class their main focus. While the middle class certainly need support, it's still a lot better to be middle class than poor. The ethical high grounds rests on trying to improve the lot of the poor, and I think it might attract a number of religious conservatives.

Where do I begin? Edwards the Ambulance chaser is so concerned with the poor that he made millions on them. The guy is everyhting that is wrong with our legal system. Sure, conservatives are going to vote for a "sue everybody" "it's never your fault" ambulance chasing lawyer. BTW, do you even know what being a conservative means? Sure we care about the poor, but we sure as hell don't want the government to hand our cash to them. Let charity help those is need is what 95% of conservatives believe. Edwards has a chance based on his desire to increase government welfare. HA! Furthermore, the middle class was targeted by politicians because it's the largest sociel class in the country, i.e. largest voter block, and most likely to vote.

Originally Posted by Patters

That said, if Hillary wins the primary (and I hope she doesn't), I think she can beat McCain. Just remember that polarizing figures often get elected. Look at all the polarizing figures who have won: Bush II, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, Kennedy, etc.

Hillary has ZERO shot of winning. Have you ever read anything written about her? And I'm not talking about what's in Time Magazine or the NYT. The Clintons were the most corrupt presidential couple of our lifetime. She has no chance.