CNN:In the footsteps of Bin Laden 5 years after 911

[Blue Collar]

One link provided, more will be submitted.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/presents/bin.laden/

Discuss!!!!

[Blue Collar]

Originally Posted by Blue Collar

One link provided, more will be submitted.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/presents/bin.laden/

Discuss!!!!

Lets discuss the history of bin laden from when the cia funded and trained the loose knit resistance fighters in afghanistan in the 80's during the soviet invasion of afghanistan....

Did clinton fail to arrest bin laden as
claimed by the right?

Did clinton refuse to kill bin laden claimed by the right?

Did gary bernsten a cia field commander corner bin laden in tora bora in 01 and request U.S troops be called in to help block bin ladens escape..He says he called washington-centcom and that request was denied, and as you know bin ladeen escaped?

Let's discuss bin laden, shall we!!!!!

[PatsFanInMaine]

BC, to get the discussion going why don't you tell us in your own words what you think?

[Blue Collar]

Originally Posted by PatsFanInMaine

BC, to get the discussion going why don't you tell us in your own words what you think?

Bin laden the terrorist was partially created by the afghan-soviet war where the cia trained and supplied arms to the resistance fighters and taught them how to fight against a superpower..

Bin laden then went back to saudi arabia where he learned of iman al zarawi and together they created Al Qaeda....

And then clinton was president when the WTC was truck bombed in 93, there is a connection to that bombing and bin laden, how close that connection is debatable....I would like to know and read the factual documentation in these allegations....I also blame clinton for not being forceful enough to exterminate bin laden in the 90's

Then the embassy bombings in africa...

Then the cole in october 2000.

Then 911..

Lets hear the right type and provide factual links to clinton repeatedly letting bin laden off the hook, to clear up these statements and see if they are true.

And I'm sure the left side will engage and also bring GWB into this discussion, better believe I will.

[Blue Collar]

Originally Posted by PatsFanInMaine

BC, to get the discussion going why don't you tell us in your own words what you think?

Are you ready to add anything to this discussion or should I keep adding commentary and links, until a right of center poster appears and is willing to engage and provide links and commentary to the subject matter?

[Blue Collar]

Originally Posted by Blue Collar

Lets discuss the history of bin laden from when the cia funded and trained the loose knit resistance fighters in afghanistan in the 80's during the soviet invasion of afghanistan....

Did clinton fail to arrest bin laden as
claimed by the right?

Did clinton refuse to kill bin laden claimed by the right?

Did gary bernsten a cia field commander corner bin laden in tora bora in 01 and request U.S troops be called in to help block bin ladens escape..He says he called washington-centcom and that request was denied, and as you know bin ladeen escaped?

Let's discuss bin laden, shall we!!!!!

Here are links to gary bernsten the cia field commander and how he explains the washington fugg up in not sending more army rangers as requested to capture or kill bin laden the planner of 911..

At least GWB got saddam at a cost of $320 billion and counting and 2500+ fallen american soldiers and counting...
More info on the way, be patient! and please explain the clinton failures with respect to letting bin laden get away and refusing to arrest him in sudan and other countries as has been pointed out numerous times by the right, I and other will read your factual links and be responsive to this gross incompetence and failure if TRUE....The right-wingers surely must be enticed to participate in this thread with that meat alone, BRING IT!!!!!!!!
Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Bernsten

[Blue Collar]

Originally Posted by Blue Collar

One link provided, more will be submitted.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/presents/bin.laden/

Discuss!!!!

Just a random link out of curiousity. Little bit about bush and iraq..Really want to discuss bin laden, just takes the fortitude to enter the thread and post your info and provide links....Is this to much to request?
http://www.bethepower.com/archives/politics/

[Blue Collar]

Originally Posted by Blue Collar

Here are links to gary bernsten the cia field commander and how he explains the washington fugg up in not sending more army rangers as requested to capture or kill bin laden the planner of 911..

At least GWB got saddam at a cost of $320 billion and counting and 2500+ fallen american soldiers and counting...
More info on the way, be patient! and please explain the clinton failures with respect to letting bin laden get away and refusing to arrest him in sudan and other countries as has been pointed out numerous times by the right, I and other will read your factual links and be responsive to this gross incompetence and failure if TRUE....The right-wingers surely must be enticed to participate in this thread with that meat alone, BRING IT!!!!!!!!
Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!
More on cia field commander gary bernsten.
http://powdertracks.blogspot.com/200...nsten-and.html

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ira...den_escape.htm

Is a swiftboating in the works?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Bernsten

Iadded more gary bernsten links concerning Bin Laden Al Qeada and Hizb'Allah and terrorist around the world...

If anyone knows how to open these and partially place the script on a post, could you please help and provide this material on the post page.

[Blue Collar]

Originally Posted by Blue Collar

Bin laden the terrorist was partially created by the afghan-soviet war where the cia trained and supplied arms to the resistance fighters and taught them how to fight against a superpower..

Bin laden then went back to saudi arabia where he learned of iman al zarawi and together they created Al Qaeda....

And then clinton was president when the WTC was truck bombed in 93, there is a connection to that bombing and bin laden, how close that connection is debatable....I would like to know and read the factual documentation in these allegations....I also blame clinton for not being forceful enough to exterminate bin laden in the 90's

Then the embassy bombings in africa...

Then the cole in october 2000.

Then 911..

Lets hear the right type and provide factual links to clinton repeatedly letting bin laden off the hook, to clear up these statements and see if they are true.

And I'm sure the left side will engage and also bring GWB into this discussion, better believe I will.

Attention right of center posters can any of you provide the factual info of clinton shrugging off on bin laden multiple times for whatever reason???

And do you want to opine and post links about bin laden and his ability to escape after 911 and bush the commander in chief and his connection to that botchjob and decision to take the hunt for bin laden to iraq instead at a cost of $$$$$320 billion and 10's of thousands of lives..

Bring your info and links so we may read and learn!

[PatsFanInMaine]

First off apologies for the delayed response but prior commitments precluded me from commenting earlier. Rather than simply list reference allow me the opportunity to express myself in what I believe rather than what I can reference to. I offer no links to Youtube, Wikipedia, or any other sites that some would consider to be either conservative or liberal. Perhaps by doing so you will more understand my position and what I believe as it pertains to terrorism.


First of let me state that any discussion of terrorism must go beyond the defined concept of simply Bin Laden. I firmly believe in the ancient Arab proverb that “The enemy of enemy is my friend” History has proven it to be true. America once was allied with the communist Stalin regime because we both faced a common enemy in Hitler. I believe that it is purely feasible that extremist terrorist organizations or nations will set aside their religious differences when their common goal is to combat opposing societies of freedom.

Why do I digress from a simple concept of retribution against Bin Laden? Because I believe that today the capturing or killing of Bin Laden would have a negligible effect on the War On Terror. It may in fact have an opposite effect by allowing societies to believe that the war has been won. I believe that the root of modern extremist terrorism was born with the taking of American hostages in Iran in 1979. Amazingly the failure to take terrorism seriously has been pervasive in American administrations from Carter up to and including the current Bush Administration. In virtually every case where we were confronted , administrations chose a policy of appeasement instead of confrontation. The cumulative effects of such policies I believe are largely responsible for 911.

On the issue of Bin Laden being offered to Clinton. It is recognized by every party involved that the Sudanese first offered Bin Laden to the Saudi’s but they declined citing that they had previously revoked Bin Laden’s Saudi citizenship and thus had no legal authority to accept him. From there it gets more murky. Sudanese official claimed that they then offered him to America. No other sources outside of Sudan are able to collaborate this claim. I believe that the Sudanese, being anxious to remove Bin Laden from their soil, would have been open to certain “suggestions” if the Clinton administration made them. What I do find pertinent to this though are statements by Richard Clarke, who was an advisor on terrorism in the Clinton administration, to the 911 Commission is that he felt the US had no legal authority to try bin Laden in a court of law at the time. This is a mistake that simply put can not be called germane exclusively to just the Clinton administration. As a lawyer I can not dispute Richard Clarke’s claim. I can however as a person concerned with US policy argue that legal restraints should have had no bearing on the issue. The issue of combating terror should not have been restrained to the auspices of a court of law but rather centered on the auspices of what is proper in a theatre of war. More precisely, Bin Laden’s rights should not have been a factor in any equation to disrupt him at the time. Procure him in a covert manner, derive necessary information from him, and at the appropriate time dispose of him.