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We pay money to watch modern day gladiators get as strong and fast as they possibly can and then run into eachother as hard and fast as they can.
If you want to hold yourself to a "higher standard" i'd suggest golf. Not the most brutal sport on the earth where you have to wear something on your head to keep yourself from being MURDERED by another human being.
Psst...there are plenty of sports where you win by beating the other guy up so badly that he can't get up off the floor. In football, you win by scheming 11 men to work together moving a ball up and down the field.
Obviously, it's a hard contact sport, but I'm not at all convinced that the brutal, gladiatorial spectacle is the game's be-all and end-all appeal as you suggest. (If it were, wouldn't defensive linemen be bigger stars than QBs and WRs?)
Let's not kid ourselves we're fanatics, there's nothing high brow about it.
We pay money to watch modern day gladiators get as strong and fast as they possibly can and then run into eachother as hard and fast as they can.
If you want to hold yourself to a "higher standard" i'd suggest golf. Not the most brutal sport on the earth where you have to wear something on your head to keep yourself from being MURDERED by another human being.
Sure, so let's give them nunchucks because it's a violent sport. Football has to find a happy medium to both make it enjoyable to watch and to reduce injuries, these are real people playing, not robots. Preventing cheap hits (a good thing) isn't the same as eliminating all of the violence from the game (a bad thing). I'm disappointed the horsecollar rule didn't pass. About the only proposal I didn't like this year was moving reviews to the booth. The ref should have final say.
It doesn't matter how much money you've made if you're 40 and suffering from severe depression from years of concussions. Health problems don't discriminate between rich and poor, except that rich can sometimes get better treatment (though we know so little about the brain that treatment can often be very underwhelming).
I understand that players accept a certain risk. They can choose to play or not, but also you can choose to watch or not. If the game is getting too soft for you, nobody's stopping you from doing something else on Sunday. The NFL will still have plenty of fans without you (or me). There's nothing "ticky tack" about crackback blocks, it's actually an easy penalty to recognize.
And the military example is just irrelevant. That's for the common good and we (and more importantly, the people volunteering) accept that their service in defense of their country could actually kill them. Nobody should die from playing football.
Yeah, so there's strategy, doesn't make it any less violent. I'm sure gladiators had strategies on what would be the best way to KILL their opponent.
Commanders in wars have strategies as well, people still die. Are you honestly trying to tell me that because there's strategy involved it's suddenly less low brow and violent?
I'm honestly trying to tell you that there's a difference between a sport where the objective is physical injury, and a sport where physical injury is an inevitable side effect for some participants.
You claimed that American football is:
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the most brutal sport on earth where you have to wear something on your head to keep yourself from being MURDERED by another human being.
I disagreed with your reasoning. First off, a great many sports require protective headgear. If, as you say, protective gear requirements are a sign of brutality, then does the incredible violence of rugby, with its high injury rates, somehow not count? Is bare-knuckle boxing less brutal than boxing with gloves?
In your response, you suggested that death rate instead is the true marker of brutality. In that case, pole vaulting and surfing are far, far more brutal than, say, peaceable kickboxing.
I've never claimed that tackle football isn't violent, that would be silly. I'm just saying that unlike gladiator fights, football's objective isn't injury -- and that matters enormously in how you structure the rules.
I think they doubled down on stupid when it comes to both the overtime and the turnover rules, and I think they came up short on the end zone rule. The other rules seem alright to me, although I see a potential problem with the loss of down on a kicked ball rule.
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As a side point, just because you agree with yourself, and some other random MB knuckleheads doesn't by default make you correct.
It just makes you easily led.
Well, you're welcome to refute the content of my post. Instead, you do this, which makes you a troll (and not a very good one). It's what some people do because they don't have either the brains brains to back up their point or the maturity to admit when they're wrong.
I've made my point, i'm not going to sit here and argue with you, neither of us are going to change eachothers minds, especially since you've already labeled me.
We're going to go back and forth saying exactly what we've already said in slightly different ways. Do you seriously want to go that route?
To me it seems like you (and a few others) wont be content until you get your way and get me removed from the boards because we have a difference in opinions.
It's kinda sad really.
IMO football is the most dangerous sport, in your opinion it isn't... What can i possibly say that will change your mind? Nothing, right? Then let's just jump about a million monotonous steps and assume the same is true for me as well.
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...IT IS quite literally the MOST violent sport. It's a fact...
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
IMO football is the most dangerous sport, in your opinion it isn't... What can i possibly say that will change your mind? Nothing, right? Then let's just jump about a million monotonous steps and assume the same is true for me as well.
I've had my mind changed on this forum many times. If you could provide a compelling reason for why football is more dangerous than, say, boxing--a sport where they're given gloves so as not to murder each other, and even then they still do with alarming frequency--I'd definitely like to hear it. Doesn't sound like you can, though, so it's a moot point.
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