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Brady = greatest modern day.
Montana = greatest of a different era.
You can never compare and have a greatest of all time since they played in very different eras with very different rules,you can never decisively say we have one greatest QB of all time just many great in their respective eras.Just my opinion.
I'm going to take a moment to derail a senseless thread for hopefully good reason.
I have seen this statement a LOT over the past few years on this message board. I believe I have even made this statement at one time or another.
I have to say after more thought and time, I absolutely don't think it's true. I do think there's a need to define the stats differently, but I don't think it's difficult to compare Montana/Brady/Manning with even a simple eye test or even wins/losses.
Sammy Baugh, for example, played QB, DB, and Punter during his NFL tenure. He was one of the greatest of his era. I also have no idea how he stacks up to today's players because I can't imagine him not playing multiple positions any more than I can imagine Tom or Peyton being a gunner on a kickoff return. The two eras are FAR too different to compare Baugh to a contemporary.
Montana era, though? The position hasn't evolved THAT much. The salary cap has and the rules certainly favor passing more. But I can imagine each of them playing on one another's team and make my own best guess as to what would happen.
So I don't think we can quite separate Montana with Brady via "era" argument. I think there's a reasonable way to make the personal decision whom was better.
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Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning, based on what I see on film. Thats why TFB is better than Manning, I really dont know what these experts think they see how peyton is so much better than manning....i guess thats what happens when you are picked 198 picks after the 1st pick
Well, I'll take Bradshaw, and history would favor me with more rings.
No History would look at the number of Pitts D players in the HOF and reach different conclusion especially when they note that the Steelers were a heavily run based offense.
"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Please compare for the class Peyton Manning to Joe Montana in a way that isn't completely ridiculous.
Like all self respecting patriot fans I consider Brady as clearly superior to Manning and in a class with well basically Joe and no one else. In the last thread bashing Manning I made a list of my top 10 all time QB's and Joe was 1, Brady 2, and Manning 10. All of that said the people who rate Manning as highly as they do are not crazy or completely wrong, they just judge QB play on different criteria. Based purely on ability to throw the football, which is to some people (not me) the entire job of a QB Manning destroys Montana in every important stat.
Took the five mins to google stats off NFL.com
Manning 238 games played, 8,373 attempts with 5,475 completions for a 65.4%. 64,298 yards at an average of 7.7 yards per attempt. 483 TD's with 219 ints which is an int % of 2.6. All of that leads to a QB rating of 96.9
Montana 192 games played, 5,391 attempts with 3,409 completions for a 63.2%. 40,551 yards at an average of 7.5 yards per attempt. 273 TD's with 139 ints which is an int % of 2.6. All of that leads to a QB rating of 92.3
Manning has more completions then Montana has attempts! Not to mention how much more durable Manning is having played in almost 3 seasons worth more games. For all the talk about how much more efficient Montana was they have the same TD:INT ratio which I was shocked to discover. So to sum up over an entire career Payton puts the ball up more, further down the field, for more TD's all of which say he is a better passer then Joe Montana and one of, if not the, greatest of all time.
So to answer the OP's point, no its not because he gets to piggy back Brady it's because his stats are INSANE and he still has another season or two to pad them.
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters. - The Hooded One
Comparing stats of QBs in different eras is misleading. The rule changes have greatly swung the balance in favor of a passing offense. Consider this, only one QB in history has ever passed for over 5000 yards in a season before 2008. Since then, it's happened 5 times, once by Brady and Stafford, 3 times by Brees.
At the same time, using rings as the main reason to rate one QB over another is moronic. Championships are a team accomplishments. This is not tennis or golf. It's not even comparable to basketball where one guy can truly carry a team on his back.
I prefer to use my eyes to judge how these guys stack up. I saw Marino and Montana play. For anyone who says Marino doesn't belong in the GOAT QB conversation is not credible IMO. Marino was an unbelievable QB. Montana played in better teams and was more clutch when he was in pressure situations. But if someone were to say "Marino was a better QB", then I would not even argue. If I had to choose one, I would go with Montana because of his clutchness. But you cannot deny that Marino is an all time great. Much like you cannot deny that Peyton is an all time great.
Patriot fans who refuse to accept Peyton as an all time great either has not watched him play at all, or are too much of a homer to have an unbiased opinion. Or they could just be clueless.
Lastly, just because one realize Peyton is an all time great doesn't mean Brady is any less of a player. I would still take Brady over Peyton for the simple fact that Brady has played better in pressure situations as well as put up ridiculous stats in the regular season.