The Shack - New England Patriots Forums

Stokes · 01-15-2010, 03:45 PM

Finished reading this recently and wondered if anyone else has read it. I am not religious but I did think it was a great idea for a book and found the way god and religion were presented as particularly interesting.

The back story for those that haven't read it is that a man's young daughter is killed, causing him to (at least inwardly) turn away from religion. He's then invited by letter to spend a weekend with someone claiming to be god at the place where evidence of his daughter's murder was uncovered (the shack).

DisgruntledTunaFan · 01-25-2010, 02:36 PM

I've never read it, but FYI - it's very unbiblical.

THE SHACK: Exposing The Deception

Quote:

William P. Young's best selling book THE SHACK is considered by many Biblical ministries to contain New Age, pagan and even occult false teaching. Blatant heresy and false teaching of any kind should never be permitted in any Christian Church [or Christian bookstore] regardless of whether or not it is fiction.

As a result of this tragic acceptance in many circles, we have created this web page in order to expose The Shack's false teachings.

Please note carfeully that all of the authors and reviews listed below write from the viewpoint of historic, classical, Biblical orthodoxy. In other words, sound biblical teaching which the Church has taught for the past 2000 years and which cannot be compromised, lest spiritual deceit would have free reign through the Church.

It is the responsibility of Pastors, Teachers and Church Elders, to not only nurture and feed God's flock, but to expose heresy, aberrant teachings, false teachers and false prophets - in order to faithfully and lovingly WARN God's flock. Those that fail to do so not only disqualify themselves from serving in a position of biblical Eldership and leadership, but they end up lead others astray!

"Jesus... said to them: 'Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many." Matthew 24:4-5

IOW - the 1611 King James Version bible is THE one and only True Word of God.

Stokes · 01-25-2010, 10:34 PM

Yes I had seen that some groups were coming out against it as it does no favors to organized religion. The main point of the story though is one that I would hope most Christian groups could get on board with.

DisgruntledTunaFan · 01-25-2010, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stokes

Yes I had seen that some groups were coming out against it as it does no favors to organized religion. The main point of the story though is one that I would hope most Christian groups could get on board with.

No - it's b/c these Christian groups saw how The Shack did NOT line up with the bible at all. It's no different, from let's say, Billy Graham and Rick Warren - alot of what they say are heresey, which is why both are false teachers.

Galatians 1:6-10 - "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from his that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

For do I now pursuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of God".

Galatians 6:7-8 - "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sowest, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting".

1st Timothy 4:1-2 - "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"

2nd Peter 2:1-2 - "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in d@mnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of".

The Museum of Idolatry: The Shack's False Godhead

Quote:

The Shack is being advertised as THE book that will help you "see God as you never seen him before". (that's an understatement!)

Below is a simple graphic that shows you the unholy trinity at the heart of The Shack.

In The Shack 'god' the father is an African American WOMAN called Papa (a goddess!), 'god' the son is a plain looking Middle Eastern man with a big nose and 'god' the spirit is a small, delicate little Asian girl (another goddess!). The Shack also teaches the heresy of modalism and is chock full of other serious doctrinal errors.

Sadly, Christians are buying this book in droves and claiming that it's changed their lives or opened their mind to new ideas about God. But, this book teaches false doctrine, false theology and a false triune godhead and the author has publicly rejected the doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

This is not the one True God of the Bible. This is an idolatrous picture of God that contradicts what God has revealed about Himself. Christians should not read this book in their quest for finding spiritual truths because the false teaching is so bad and so dangerous that this book can only be classified as 'spiritual poison'.

Stokes · 01-26-2010, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DisgruntledTunaFan

No - it's b/c these Christian groups saw how The Shack did NOT line up with the bible at all. It's no different, from let's say, Billy Graham and Rick Warren - alot of what they say are heresey, which is why both are false teachers.

Galatians 1:6-10 - "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from his that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

For do I now pursuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of God".

Galatians 6:7-8 - "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sowest, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting".

1st Timothy 4:1-2 - "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"

2nd Peter 2:1-2 - "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in d@mnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of".

The Museum of Idolatry: The Shack's False Godhead

The analysis of the book in the quote is way off. Yes, "god" does appear as an african woman, but that is not god's true form. In fact "she" makes a point of explaining in detail to the man that she only appeared that way for HIM, to break him free of his preconceived notions of what god should look like. She says that if she came to him looking like an older man with a long flowing beard it would be tougher to get through to him and help him recapture his lost faith. The holy spirit is impossible to really focus on, so the description of her as an asian woman is just the closest the man could get to describing her. And Jesus looks like a typical israelite would at that time.

Again, I agree that there is plenty in the book for organized religions to take issue with. Even that though, is to me not that controversial. God basically says that a lot of evil has been done in the name of organized religion, which is true (the crusades, 9/11, etc.). The whole point that god gets across is that god is love, and by loving god completely you can fulfill your life as a human. It also deals with the idea that loss happens not because god has left us, but because god sees the bigger picture, and in the afterlife we see it too.

For me it was just a great idea for a book, but yes, I can see how it would make certain groups uncomfortable because it is a departure from traditional christian teaching.

DisgruntledTunaFan · 01-26-2010, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stokes

The analysis of the book in the quote is way off. Yes, "god" does appear as an african woman, but that is not god's true form. In fact "she" makes a point of explaining in detail to the man that she only appeared that way for HIM, to break him free of his preconceived notions of what god should look like. She says that if she came to him looking like an older man with a long flowing beard it would be tougher to get through to him and help him recapture his lost faith. The holy spirit is impossible to really focus on, so the description of her as an asian woman is just the closest the man could get to describing her. And Jesus looks like a typical israelite would at that time.

Again, I agree that there is plenty in the book for organized religions to take issue with. Even that though, is to me not that controversial. God basically says that a lot of evil has been done in the name of organized religion, which is true (the crusades, 9/11, etc.). The whole point that god gets across is that god is love, and by loving god completely you can fulfill your life as a human. It also deals with the idea that loss happens not because god has left us, but because god sees the bigger picture, and in the afterlife we see it too.

For me it was just a great idea for a book, but yes, I can see how it would make certain groups uncomfortable because it is a departure from traditional christian teaching.

2 Peter 2:18 - "For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error"

1 John 2:22-23 - "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also"

I know that God is the God of love, but when it comes to sin and wickedness, he's also an angry God.

1 The 2:15-16 - "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost"

Matthew 12:36-37 - "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned"

Look - I know what you're saying, but when it comes to the bible, we have to look at it in an OBJECTIVE view, NOT a subjective view(i.e. John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God). This is the big problem with today's church - for various reasons, whether they've been deceived by Billy Graham/Rick Warren, they've been hijacked by Freemasons, whether they're worried over offending anyone b/c of potential offering money losses, or whatever, they've allowed leaven to enter into their churches, and have subsequently fallen for bad doctrines and commandments of men.

Stokes · 01-27-2010, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DisgruntledTunaFan

I know that God is the God of love, but when it comes to sin and wickedness, he's also an angry God.

You raise an interesting point and I'm interested in your take since you seem to know quite a bit, why would an omniscient being be so concerned with the affairs of man? Why demand loyalty to you as a precondition for a blissful afterlife? Its one of the things dealt with in the book, but obviously not using traditional christian teaching. It seems like punishing lesser, imperfect beings for being imperfect is a petty thing to do.

DisgruntledTunaFan · 01-29-2010, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stokes

You raise an interesting point and I'm interested in your take since you seem to know quite a bit, why would an omniscient being be so concerned with the affairs of man? Why demand loyalty to you as a precondition for a blissful afterlife? Its one of the things dealt with in the book, but obviously not using traditional christian teaching. It seems like punishing lesser, imperfect beings for being imperfect is a petty thing to do.

Another thing - I'm not going to dive into the issue of whether Christians who think Billy Graham/Rick Warren are godly men, or for that matter, those that go to 501c3 corporate churches or even think aliens are people like us are truely saved...

But both Jesus and the Apostles have stressed many times "be ye not deceived" - I believe the end times prophecies are going to be fulfilled very soon - before Jesus comes back to judge the earth, the antichrist will arise in human form and deceive the whole world by bringing false peace and hope. You should hear Dr. Scott Johnson's studies on Maitreya, Benjamine Creme, and Maitreya's 'ascended masters' - mindblowing. As much as Creme/Maitreya talk like how Christians are enemies, at the same time, they're saying all kinds of things to try to DECEIVE Christians(i.e. at Maitreya's emergence, there will be 4 'spaceships' from the eastern star, where Jesus came from, and then that Maitreya commercial on CNN last year how he's the Christ to Christians, Maitreya to Buddhists, Mohammed to the Muslims, the Messiah to the Jewish people, Krisna to the Hindus, etc - NONE of this lines up with Scripture, of course).

Anyhow - didn't mean to get off-topic, but what I'm trying to say is that I'm not trying to debate what is/what isn't a salvation issue, but ultimately, over anything, we need to search the scriptures to see if everything lines up. In Matthew 24, Jesus said that when false Christs and false prophets rise up, they will show signs and wonders and even the elect may be deceived. It's very important in these days to have discernment.

Stokes · 01-29-2010, 01:03 PM

An interesting post DTF, but what about my question, why does an all powerful god demand servitude from a lesser being that he created as imperfect?

DisgruntledTunaFan · 01-29-2010, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stokes

An interesting post DTF, but what about my question, why does an all powerful god demand servitude from a lesser being that he created as imperfect?

Matthew 16:24-26 - "Then Jesus said unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"

2nd Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

1st Corinthians 15:45-47 - "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven."

Revelation 12:11 - "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto death"

1 John 2:22-23 - "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also"