IcyPatriot

There are numerous references to God killing people. However factual or fictional they are nevertheless there. Noah's Ark and killing the first Egyptian son just to name few. Satan is supposed to be bad and God is supposed to be good yet where are the stories of satan killing humans?

Also millions upon millions have been killed based on whose god is the right god but how many people have been killed defending satan? has a country or a people ever defended and fought to the death for satan? References to satanists killing humans can be found but a group of people is not a country or a race of people.

War is still going on in this world and killing is still happening based on religion ... last i checked none of this is being done in the name of satan. Well ... ameica is called the big satan so I guess I could be debated on this ... perhaps?

A very vague thread here as I'm sure nobody feels like reading a book type post on this. I'm simply saying that satan is supposed to be bad and god is supposed to be good, and kind, and loving and all of that ... is that based on a negative plus a negative = a positive? If satan exists it may be evil ... but god is way ahead on the kill count.

IcyPatriot

... Okay ... I have a small list here ... Old Testament stuff:

Evil Bible Home Page ... not sure it's the greatest reference but it will do for now.

- God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21)

- God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).

- He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).

- In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married.

- In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!

In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

There's always been a "Vengeful God," I think, although for the life of me, I can't understand why.

The contradiction is mighty, isn't it?

I've always had trouble reconciling the two so I've got absolutely nothing to add.

I'll have to see if I can't get Mr.P interested in following this one up - he knows the bible way better than I ever will and he's always got interesting theories backed up by sound knowledge.

I'd like to think that since the bible was written by various men that perhaps the authors of those particularly violent chapters were suffering some sort of guilt trip and thought that if they blamed it on God it would be more readily forgiven - with the added benefit of scaring the evil out of anyone reading.

That's just me, though, it's overly simplistic and I'm always wrong on biblical things anyhow.

IcyPatriot

I hated history when I was younger ... all kinds of history so I'm no expert on any of this. But I was reading up here and there on this and I started thinking ... hmmmm ... I never heard any stories if anyone fighting for satan or satan punishing large groups of people.

Yeah sure ... the old testament probably a collection of writings by some people doing some major drugs. Then again ... if written today some would say it was fear mongering in an attempt to create a new world order.

But I digress ... i figured those more religious than I could help explain this, or at least try to explain it. What's up with God and all the killing?

IcyPatriot

You religious types ... all scared god is gonna zap you if you post in this thread?

Bill B.

OK, how about this. A lot of killing in the name of God is actually done by men. A lot of religious beliefs were written by men. God is the ruler in Heaven. Satan wanders the Earth. Satan is known as the "Great Deceiver". Just because you don't hear about Satan being the cause of war, does not mean he does not have a hand in it. Satan is very active in a lot of the religions of the world, which is why you see a lot of destructive behaviour. The best trick that Satan has acomplished is convincing the world that he doesn't exist. I know, I got that quote from "The Usual Suspects", but it does seem to fit this discussion. If Satan wanted to really mess things up down here, he would infiltrate the churches and influence people to do bad things in the name of God. Things like killing doctors who perform abortions, or stealing planes and flying them into buildings. The KKK consider themselves to be a religious group and look at all the evil they do.

I guess my point is you can't blame God for the actions of men. Does Satan exist? I don't know, but I do strongly believe that God exist. I am a Christian, which is my faith. I don't trust organized religion because they have all been perverted to conform to man's needs.

All the examples you gave are also from the Old Testament. I don't believe you will find that kind of destruction in the New Testament. The killings you see in the New Testament is done to Christians. And one of the biggest killers of Christians was Saul, who ended up being St. Paul, whose writings were the basis of a lot of the New Testament. I think you have to take the Bible with a grain of salt and not take everything literally, but you can take the lessons it teaches you and apply it to your life.

I hope this furthers the discussion. I am not trying to preach, just give a different point of view.

IcyPatriot

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Unless you're waiting for Armageddon and you're a big fan of Revelation.

IcyPatriot

Mrs. PF ... I think they all fear the wrath of God ... nobody has the canoli's to post in the thread.

Harry Boy

Sit Down, I have the answer.

THE LORD MOVETH IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS HIS WONDERS TO PERFORM

If there are things we don't understand about Gods movements that is because God doesn't want us to understand, it's none of our friggin business.

When we are born God says "well here you are you little bastard, now hear this I will say this only once, there is right and there is wrong I will let you know right from wrong now it's up to you"

God made Satan then he immediately knew he had screwed up, when God kills somebody it was Satan who made him do it, Satan hates God.

When someone says to you "how do you know there is a God" you simply say "how do you know there isn't"

Where Did The Blueberry Come From....

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