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Old 05-23-2007, 08:12 AM   #21
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Stern was sending a message to the teams that tanked and trying to keep the Blazers and Sonics in their respective cities. The chance for Memphis and Boston to be outside of the top 3 was 0.18%... ridiculous odds.
Where's your source or your calculations for that statistic..? Because I gotta say I ran the ESPN lottery simulator a whole bunch of times and I would see both Boston and Memphis outside the top 3 about 1 in every 6 or 7 tries... certainly nowhere near 1 in every 555 tries...
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Old 05-23-2007, 08:15 AM   #22
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Do people know that the ping pong balls are not selected in public? It is done in secret.
It is done with 2 media witnesses and a hired accounting firm to oversee the selection and the results.
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Can some stat guy come up with the odds of all this happening? Something like 1 in a million...
Like so much of what you say, you demonstrate you don't have the first clue WTF you are talking about.

First of all, you obviously have no clue how the NBA draft lottery works.

Second of all, what you say makes no sense. If the NBA was going to rig the lottery, the last thing they are going to do is banish 2 future superstars to Portland and Seattle way out in the obscure Pacific NW. I mean, at least the Patrick Ewing to NY conspiracy theorists make sense. If the NBA wanted to rig the lottery then at least one of the 2 future stars would have ended up in a big, east coast market (Philly, Boston, Atlanta, NY) and the other would have gone to Chicago or LA.

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Old 05-23-2007, 08:17 AM   #23
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Tanking? Do you mean losing deliberately in order to gain another benefit?

Do you think a team should be able to benefit from deliberately losing, like for example, if the Pats were to deliberatly lose to Miami in order to get a home game vs Jacksonville?

Is that tanking or working within the system?
Tanking is defined as deliberately losing a game to gain a future benefit. But resting starters and playing reserves is not necessarily tanking. There's a difference between those two concepts.
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Old 05-23-2007, 08:21 AM   #24
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The NBA is screwed anyway. Too many teams.... Who cares any more.

Can't wait to see what Fitzy has to say about this one.
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Second of all, what you say makes no sense. If the NBA was going to rig the lottery, the last thing they are going to do is banish 2 future superstars to Portland and Seattle way out in the obscure Pacific NW. I mean, at least the Patrick Ewing to NY conspiracy theorists make sense. If the NBA wanted to rig the lottery than at least one of the 2 future stars would have ended up in a big, east coast market (Philly, Boston, Atlanta, NY) and the other would have gone to Chicago or LA.
That is way too simplistic reasoning. The NBA is facing a talent dilution problem, and a bigger concern than feeding big markets is to keep small markets alive. I would say the only way Portland and Seattle could have saved their franchises and not move was to get the two most exciting rookies.
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The NBA is screwed anyway. Too many teams.... Who cares any more.

Can't wait to see what Fitzy has to say about this one.
LMAO Fitzy should put out a good one,no doubt about it.

The NBA is dead to me as well,except as a NE fan it would be great to see the Celts get competitive again. Actually it would just be nice to see the Eastern Conference be competitive again.
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Old 05-23-2007, 08:42 AM   #27
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That is way too simplistic reasoning.
EDIT: Last time you accused me "simplistic reasoning" was when you said the US orchestrated the kidmapping of 14 British sailors by Iran. You used those exact same words, you were wrong then and you're wrong now.
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The NBA is facing a talent dilution problem, and a bigger concern than feeding big markets is to keep small markets alive. I would say the only way Portland and Seattle could have saved their franchises and not move was to get the two most exciting rookies.
What makes you think the NBA wouldn't want one of those 2 teams moving..? The NBA wants a franchise in Las Vegas and Stern would be plenty happy to see one of those flagging franchises uprooting to sin City.

What you say doesn't make sense at all. The last thing the NBA wanted was to banish both future stars to the obscure Pacific Northwest.

Plus I've seen a lot of probability and calculations here that are simply wrong. No offense, but a lot of people here - yourself included - simply don't understand how the NBA conducts the draft lottery.

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Where's your source or your calculations for that statistic..?
It's not close to true :

http://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/ins...tery-odds.html

The Grizzlies had a 36% chance of falling out of the top three, the Celtics 45% so there was about a 15% chance both would. Not a great chance but very legitmate.
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Of course the NBA would have preferred them in Boston and Philly. Duh. As Steven A. Smith said last night "it's a disaster for the NBA".
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Tanking is defined as deliberately losing a game to gain a future benefit. But resting starters and playing reserves is not necessarily tanking. There's a difference between those two concepts.
And even if the Patriots' tanked, it's different to "tank" for the perceived benefit of a better matchup through a lower seed vs. the definite advantage of moving up in the draft or improving your odds.
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