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Foley · 09-06-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdogx

but it's better then the almost automatic double play he brings to the table on a nightly basis!

Its not like there is a lack of things to complain about in regard to Drew, so why complain about Double Plays? There are several guys on the team (Manny, Lowell, Ortiz, Crisp) who have grounded into more than Drew.

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Originally Posted by Bigdogx

No it's not crazy, just like it's not crazy to say he is not a young player anymore and his best days might be past him already, not to mention getting those numbers in a far less competitive league in the n.l.!

Its more reasonable to assume an off year/adjustment year than to assume 31 is old. And yes, the AL is a better league, but that doesn't mean an NL player will never be able to play in the AL, it just means that an NL player may need more of an adjustment period. Drew isn't the first player who needed to adjust.

***patriotspride*** · 09-06-2007, 05:15 PM

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No it's not crazy, just like it's not crazy to say he is not a young player anymore and his best days might be past him already, not to mention getting those numbers in a far less competitive league in the n.l.!

Time will tell and he is going to be a red sox weather any of us likes him or hates him, because i don't see them eating this contract and there is no team dumb enough to take him off our hands!

exactly .i just hope Tito has the balls to sit his ass on the bench and let the kid play in right field when manny gets back..

***patriotspride*** · 09-06-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Foley

Its more reasonable to assume an off year/adjustment year than to assume 31 is old. And yes, the AL is a better league, but that doesn't mean an NL player will never be able to play in the AL, it just means that an NL player may need more of an adjustment period. Drew isn't the first player who needed to adjust.

why is it more reasonable to assume a off year opossed to age?they are both assumptions .trot nixon is around the same age .drew already has a exstensive injury history .i dont think its unreasonable to assume that he will have more injuries as he ages .

Foley · 09-06-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by patriotspride

why is it more reasonable to assume a off year opossed to age?they are both assumptions .trot nixon is around the same age .drew already has a exstensive injury history .i dont think its unreasonable to assume that he will have more injuries as he ages .

They are both assumptions and both can be true, but players frequently have off years and adjustment years, while guys permanently losing all ability to play at age 31 is not that common.

As far an Nixon, most of his injuries have come recently, playing no more than 134 games since 2003. Drew on the other hand has not had that many injuries as of late (one trip on the DL since 2003, due to getting drilled in the wrist). Drew's extensive injury history all happened before 2003, while most of Nixon's happened since 2003. If Drew were perfectly healthy in his days in St Louis, but injured all the time in Atlanta and LA than I'd be worried that injuries had caught up with him.

***patriotspride*** · 09-07-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Foley

They are both assumptions and both can be true, but players frequently have off years and adjustment years, while guys permanently losing all ability to play at age 31 is not that common.

As far an Nixon, most of his injuries have come recently, playing no more than 134 games since 2003. Drew on the other hand has not had that many injuries as of late (one trip on the DL since 2003, due to getting drilled in the wrist). Drew's extensive injury history all happened before 2003, while most of Nixon's happened since 2003. If Drew were perfectly healthy in his days in St Louis, but injured all the time in Atlanta and LA than I'd be worried that injuries had caught up with him.

the older people get the more they get injuries .its that simple.

Foley · 09-07-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by patriotspride

the older people get the more they get injuries .its that simple.

I fail to see where I said otherwise. Maybe Drew will start to get injured a lot again. Maybe Ortiz will start hitting like he did in Minnesota. Maybe Schilling will start putting up sub 3ERAs. Maybe you'll wake up tomorrow five years in the past where any of these things were the case.

Drew is no more at risk of injury than anyone else his age. And considering hes not injured now, I don't see why this is even a relevant discussion.

***patriotspride*** · 09-07-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Foley

I fail to see where I said otherwise. Maybe Drew will start to get injured a lot again. Maybe Ortiz will start hitting like he did in Minnesota. Maybe Schilling will start putting up sub 3ERAs. Maybe you'll wake up tomorrow five years in the past where any of these things were the case.

Drew is no more at risk of injury than anyone else his age. And considering hes not injured now, I don't see why this is even a relevant discussion.

you said it was more reasonable to assume drew is having a off year as opposed to him just getting a little older.while that may be more convenient for your argument its bull **** .that's the point.both assumptions are equally valid .don't look now bill James is calling you geek.lol

Foley · 09-07-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by patriotspride

you said it was more reasonable to assume drew is having a off year as opposed to him just getting a little older.while that may be more convenient for your argument its bull **** .that's the point.both assumptions are equally valid .don't look now bill James is calling you geek.lol

Both assumptions are valid and I have never said anything to the contrary. I just tend to believe that an off year is the more likely reason because they are a fairly common occurrence in baseball, especially when they coincide with a move to a new league.

***patriotspride*** · 09-07-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Foley

Its more reasonable to assume an off year/adjustment year than to assume 31 is old. And yes, the AL is a better league, but that doesn't mean an NL player will never be able to play in the AL, it just means that an NL player may need more of an adjustment period. Drew isn't the first player who needed to adjust.

heres what you said .