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sdaniels7114 · 03-22-2007, 02:59 PM

Since everyone knows that Tavarez is Spanish for "9th inning 3-1 meatball that gets knocked into Kenmore Square," I'm sure this news will brighten just about every member of RSN's day.

***dalero*** · 03-22-2007, 03:34 PM

That doesn't suck.

Foley · 03-22-2007, 04:18 PM

I don't understand how everyone views this as a penominal idea. A starter who can win 14-16 games with an ERA in the low 4s is more valuable than a reliever who converts a save 85% of the time.

And assuming he spends the entire year as a closer it will be about 2 and a half years since he last started a game (ST aside). Is it really a wise idea to keep him out of that role just because Pineiro blowing 10 saves would be too much to cope with? Or do they really plan on wasting a talent and keeping him a closer for the rest of his days in Boston?

sdaniels7114 · 03-22-2007, 04:53 PM

Well phenomenal would be if Hansen or Lester were mowing down everyone they faced in whatever 'save' simulation the Sox could manufacture in spring and yeah, this definitely cuts into Pap's potential output for the year. Top flight starters are certainly more valuable and he's clearly got the potential to be one; but closer was the biggest hole this team had and now it appears to be filled.

TomBrady'sGoat · 03-22-2007, 04:57 PM

I hate this move. Delaying Paplebon's transition back to starter is short-sighted and a panic move considering the other guys haven't even had a chance to fail yet.

If it is temporary and they just want to buy time to see who can earn the job then I am ok with it. If papelbon doesn't start at any point this year I'll be very disappointed.

***patriotspride*** · 03-22-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Foley

I don't understand how everyone views this as a penominal idea. A starter who can win 14-16 games with an ERA in the low 4s is more valuable than a reliever who converts a save 85% of the time.

And assuming he spends the entire year as a closer it will be about 2 and a half years since he last started a game (ST aside). Is it really a wise idea to keep him out of that role just because Pineiro blowing 10 saves would be too much to cope with? Or do they really plan on wasting a talent and keeping him a closer for the rest of his days in Boston?

pineiro blowing ten saves is the difference between winning and losing the division

patsfan55 · 03-22-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by patriotspride

pineiro blowing ten saves is the difference between winning and losing the division

very true 10char

KevinAbq · 03-22-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan55

very true 10char

Not to mention that Paps wants to close.

Foley · 03-23-2007, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sdaniels7114

Well phenomenal would be if Hansen or Lester were mowing down everyone they faced in whatever 'save' simulation the Sox could manufacture in spring and yeah, this definitely cuts into Pap's potential output for the year. Top flight starters are certainly more valuable and he's clearly got the potential to be one; but closer was the biggest hole this team had and now it appears to be filled.

And by filling that hole they just made one thats a lot bigger. Do you really feel more comfortable with Julian Tavarez as a fifth starter than you would with Piniero as a closer? Unless Lester somehow manages to comprehend control than whoever they get to replace Papelbon in the rotation will be vastly inferior to him.

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pineiro blowing ten saves is the difference between winning and losing the division

So Pineiro blowing 10 saves loses them the division but Papelbon blowing 6 is miles better? I can guarentee that whoever replaces Papelbon in the rotation will lose a lot more than 4 games as a starter than Papelbon would.

***patriotspride*** · 03-23-2007, 08:06 AM

wow you guarantee it .