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and then smear him on his way out of town, to cover their own @$$e$, as they did with Nomar and D.Lowe, what will your reaction be? According to bostonsportsmedia.com, Glen Ordway of WEEI, who is friendly with Lucchino, announced that this would be the Red Sox' course of action. It's interesting how Lowe (drunk womanizer), Pedro (primadonna), Manny (selfish, non-hustling jaker), Damon (idiot culture), Nomar (miserable) et.al., who predated the Theo/Lucchino regime, have all been deemed "unfit" to be Red Sox for various "character" issues leaked by the organization to various press toadies like Buckley and MacAdam. I guess anyone who they don't have their fingerprints on, except "good soldier" Varitek, is stained in their eyes. All I can say is, they better win this year. If not it will become clear that their World Series was a happy accident which they stumbled upon, benefiting from star players mostly provided by the previous regime. And if they release dirt on Ramirez through their press minions to the fans, after trading him, it will become clear that the character flaws are their own.
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I'm already angry about how the Sox/media treat Manny - they've already leaked out stories to smear him in their past attempts to trade him/waive him. Hey, I'm as big a Manny fan as anyone and will admit he makes a fair share of boneheaded moves any given season, but at the same time, his every move is blown so out of proportion and criticized on completly different standards.
As you point out, they've done it with every star they've let go of, and I expect they will continue to do it with Manny whether they are able to trade him or not. Lucchino uses the Globe as a propaganda weapon, and has for some time.
No matter what happens, this team is not getting any better if they trade Manny. If they expect Lugo and Drew to replace Manny's production, they are royally *****ed.
Last edited by BradyManny; 11-29-2006 at 01:05 PM..
If Manny had not asked to be traded from the day he was signed then I don't think that there would be much desire to smear him. Its not the Red Sox who want to get rid of Manny, its Manny that wants to get rid of the Red Sox.
I completely agree that his antics are blown out of proportion, and I don't think that he quit on the team in September and really couldn't care less if he doesn't hustle to first on a routine groundball. I just have a problem with him saying every offseason or during the trade deadline that he wants to get out of Boston... and I think that that is the main reason that they are trying to trade him.
And when have the Red Sox or the media said anything bad about Wakefield, or Nixon, or Youkilis, or Lester? They tried very hard to get Nomar to sign a long term deal prior to 2004 and he refused. They didn't try to re-sign Lowe because he was terrible in 2004 and had been declining substantially in his last 3 years here. They didn't re-sign Pedro because of concerns about his shoulder.... the one that now needs major reconstructive surgery. Maybe they thought that they all had significant character flaws, but there were other more important reasons that they were not brought back.
Maybe they thought that they all had significant character flaws, but there were other more important reasons that they were not brought back.
They've made some good moves, some bad moves, it is what it is. Surprisingly, as it turns out, the decision to not give Damon that extra money is going to be the biggest mistake they made. I was all for letting Damon go and trading for Crisp (except I didn't like the fact that the cost was Marte) at the time b/c I bought into their propaganda that Damon was on the back 9, injury prone, and ready for a breakdown.
Now, they want to go out and sign Nancy Drew for more money than Damon? It's just inconsistent - I don't see a coherent plan whatsoever. Players have trouble playing in Boston, we know that. So those that thrive in this town deserve the extra $$ to play here, and in hindsight, I really think the Damon move set us back a ton as you look at the domino effect it has had on other acquistions.
Last edited by BradyManny; 11-29-2006 at 05:34 PM..
A year ago everyone was saying how terrible it was that they let Pedro walk. I don't hear any of that this offseason because their propaganda about his shoulder was 100% correct, so whos to say their propaganda about Damon won't be? He could still be a great hitter in 2009 and the Red Sox will look foolish for not bringing him back, or he could experience a Pedro-like decline and people will give the FO the thumbs up for knowing when to get rid of him. Too soon to tell.
And as far as Marte... he had a .773OPS in AAA this season, .105 points lower than in 2005. And in 221 major league at bats has managed a career .202BA and .637OPS. Not to say hes a flop (which I don't believe) but hes nowhere near the can't miss prospect he was a year ago.
Can anyone explain why the Sox refused to assume Abreu's contract last year, or pay Damon, and now are willing to pay 31 year old, injury prone JD Drew 70 million dollars? I remember Luchino after the trade deadline telling Jerry Callahan that the Sox couldn't afford Abreu's deal, then discussing a new $37 million dollar tax break due to Fenway's "landmark" status, or something along those lines. On another note, I believe Francona was the "unnamed source" who fed the "Manny wanted a scoring decision changed" story to the media after the Yankee 5 game sweep. The reason I believe Francona was the source is because of the unabashed fawning and sympathy he received in the midst of the Red Sox collapse, which usually indicates a back-scratching relationship with the press. That's the way the media works in sports and in politics. I believe Manny probably knew Francona had dimed him out, and felt the manager had betrayed a clubhouse trust, hanging him out to dry. That may or may not have contributed to Manny's reluctance to play with injury for the manager and organization, especially with the team's playoff hopes non-existent.
Last edited by PonyExpress; 11-29-2006 at 08:01 PM..
The Red Sox refused to assume Abreu's contract for 2 reasons:
1. They didn't need him. At the deadline Nixon had a .294BA and .822OPS, while Abreu had a .277BA and .861OPS. It was not until after the trade deadline that Nixon was injured and they needed another RF.
2.The luxury tax threshold went up this offseason from $136.5M to $148M becasue of the new CBA. Had they have acquired Abreu the payroll would have been over $136.5M and they would have had to pay a substantial about of money in addition to the addition of Abreu. Because of the increased threshold they can spend a lot more.
1) At the time of the trade Abreu was leading the national league in walks, had a .427 OBP, had stolen 20 bases and driven in 65 runs.
2) Nixon WAS NOT injured after the deadline. He tore his bicep on July 30.
Also, Nixon always gets injured and the organization knew he was unreliable. That's one of the reasons they had no interest in signing him to more than a 1 year deal. To think he would last the whole year was whistling past the graveyard. In comparison, Abreu was a reliable player going down the stretch, never having played fewer than 150 games since 1998.
3) Abreu received $1.5 million from the Phillies to waive his no-trade clause and accept the deal. The Yankees paid him about $4.3 million of his $13.5 million salary this year, plus $15.5 million next season. He has a club option for $16 million in 2008 with a $2 million buyout. The Yankees did not exercise that option. IOW, the Yankees could have Abreu locked up for 2 more years at 31.5 million, with the ability to cut their losses after 2007. The Red Sox will have a injury prone Drew for 5 years and 70 million. THE POINT IS... Would the Sox have had to pay $38.5 million in luxury taxes for acquiring Abreu? If not, then failing to pull the trigger on Abreu may end up costing the club more than 30 million dollars.
It was penny wise, pound foolish at its worst.
Last edited by PonyExpress; 11-29-2006 at 08:52 PM..
1)Thats nice. It still doesn't change the fact that Nixon was doing very nice at the time too.
2)And Abreu was traded that same day. Before Nixon injured himself.
And what if Nixon didn't get injured? He remained healthy and still posted a very respectable .822OPS? Does he get benched? Do they try him in CF?
3)By most recent accounts Drew will be getting 4/$56M, not 5/$70M.... So technically the difference would be $24.5M. And Abreu's AAV of $12.8M would have added about $5.12M to the cost, making a total difference of around $19.38M. So basically Drew for 4/$56 or Abreu for 2.5/$40.92M. I'd rather have the extra 1.5 years of Drew for $15M and whatever prospects the Sox would have needed to give up.
And I'm no big fan of signing Drew, but hes only been on the DL once the past 3 seasons, which was the result of being drilled in the wrist with a fastball. "Injury Prone" is a bit much.
JD Drew played 104 games in 99, 109 in 2001, 100 in 2003, 72 in 2005. His "healthy" years were 135 in 2000, 135 in 2002,145 in 2004, and 146 last year. "Injury prone" is actually an understatement. Offering such a player a 4 to 5 year deal for $14 million, and suggesting it offers better value than Abreu would have done, is the height of lunacy.
Does Theo crap sunshine?
Last edited by PonyExpress; 11-29-2006 at 09:51 PM..