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Old 12-22-2012, 09:28 AM   #1
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Two more bowl games and my 2012/3 broadcasting season is done. Busiest one ever, but well worth it.

So depending on how they view McCourty, BB could draft a CB or Safety early, to help solidify the secondary.

The top rated CB's,Millner of Alabama and Banks of Miss State will be off the board long before we pick.

However at #32, there should be three real good FS prospects available, Reid of LSU, McDonald of USC and Elam of Florida.

Depending on how BB views Wilson, could the Pats take a FS early and move McCourty back to CB?

Also keep in mind that BB could get a FS like Jefferson of Oklahoma in the second or Lester of Alabama or Vacarro of Texas in the third.

Because it is a deep FS draft, BB could get a better player than Wilson in a later round than he took Wilson this year.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:12 AM   #2
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I think you stick with continuity and develop what you have:

- Keep McCourty at FS and let him develop his instincts. He's shown an aptitude for the position, and he does better looking forward than looking back. He's a great zone CB but not exceptional as a press-man CB.
- Keep Talib-Dennard outside and bring back Dowling, who still has potential - at either CB or FS.
- Gregory, Arrington and Wilson are all expendable, but all decent fill in pieces.
- I don't think you need to add a high draft pick at DB, and I think that more youth won't necessarily help. A veteran safety like Kenny Phillips would be nice, but I doubt we'll have the $$.

A day 3 FS like Dexter McCoil works for me. If I were to go day 2, I would go for Phillip Thomas of Fresno St. The rumors I hear are that Elam is going back to Florida. Lester doesn't work for me at all.
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I think you stick with continuity and develop what you have:

- Keep McCourty at FS and let him develop his instincts. He's shown an aptitude for the position, and he does better looking forward than looking back. He's a great zone CB but not exceptional as a press-man CB.
- Keep Talib-Dennard outside and bring back Dowling, who still has potential - at either CB or FS.
- Gregory, Arrington and Wilson are all expendable, but all decent fill in pieces.
- I don't think you need to add a high draft pick at DB, and I think that more youth won't necessarily help. A veteran safety like Kenny Phillips would be nice, but I doubt we'll have the $$.

A day 3 FS like Dexter McCoil works for me. If I were to go day 2, I would go for Phillip Thomas of Fresno St. The rumors I hear are that Elam is going back to Florida. Lester doesn't work for me at all.
For the most part i agree with you mayo but Dowling? hmm i dont know. Last time he was healthy he was playing inside and sterling moore was playng more tha him. We'll see but i wouldnt count on him.

Arrington is playing ok in the slot but we need someone else for depth at CB.

Right now, we have 4 safetys. We may let Chung go but i'm not so sure about that. Gregory is ok but he's a backup. And Wilson..well who knows about him?

Bringin in someone wouldnt hurt, I like Boyett or MCoil later on but as mayo says he doesnt have to be a rookie.
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The thing I look for in a safety is one who can play the ball that isn't near him. Has the speed and hands to go get it. McCourty has made a couple of nice plays on the ball the last two weeks. Will probably get better at play recognition the longer he plays there. He's a hard-working kid. The other think is he a sure tackler. And, while not a big hitter. He is a good tackler.

If Talib walks, then we're back at the cb trough early. It hasn't been a pleasant experience picking them either. I'd rather keep McCourty at FS even if Talib goes. I think he's a better safety than cb. We need to re-up Talib. Tired of wasting picks on guys who don't cut it.

Is there any chance Dowling develops into a decent player? Same with Tavon Wilson. It's almost hard to believe how many 2nd round picks we spent on db's and didn't get anything out of them; Wheatley, Butler, Chung. Hopefully, Dowling and Wilson don't fall into that category.
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I liked Lester last year and I'm not sure if it's Baron not being there or if he's regressed but honestly he's been awful. Bad angles, ole tackling effort, missed assignments.......I don't see him going in the first three rounds unless it's somebody like the Bengals going on name recognition.
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Right now my binky for the 2013 Draft is Jamar Taylor CB from Boise St. He was a beast against Washington in the Las Vegas Bowl yesterday.




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Right now my binky for the 2013 Draft is Jamar Taylor CB from Boise St. He was a beast against Washington in the Las Vegas Bowl yesterday.




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I think you stick with continuity and develop what you have:

- Keep McCourty at FS and let him develop his instincts. He's shown an aptitude for the position, and he does better looking forward than looking back. He's a great zone CB but not exceptional as a press-man CB.
- Keep Talib-Dennard outside and bring back Dowling, who still has potential - at either CB or FS.
- Gregory, Arrington and Wilson are all expendable, but all decent fill in pieces.
- I don't think you need to add a high draft pick at DB, and I think that more youth won't necessarily help. A veteran safety like Kenny Phillips would be nice, but I doubt we'll have the $$.
So if BB keeps McCourty at FS, then we need another CB. This is NOT the best draft for a CB.

After Millner and Banks, there is very little that could contribute next season.

Rhodes of FSU might be considered a late 1st round/early 2nd round talent.

Amerson of NC State and Poyer of Oregon State have an early 2nd round grade. It is possible that BB trades back from #32, which would make them a value pick in the mid 40's.

Just FYI, I doubt BB has the honey badger on his draft board.
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So if BB keeps McCourty at FS, then we need another CB. This is NOT the best draft for a CB.

After Millner and Banks, there is very little that could contribute next season.

Rhodes of FSU might be considered a late 1st round/early 2nd round talent.

Amerson of NC State and Poyer of Oregon State have an early 2nd round grade. It is possible that BB trades back from #32, which would make them a value pick in the mid 40's.

Just FYI, I doubt BB has the honey badger on his draft board.
I'm not sure why we need another CB if we re-sign Talib, Arrington and Cole. Dowling will be back. Talib-Dennard-Dowling-Arrington-Cole works for me. If we move Dowling to FS then we need another CB, but not necessarily a high draft pick.

If Talib walks, then it's entirely different. But I still don't see a rookie being the answer.
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I think McCourty is staying at safety. Given the draft, I would still draft a safety to compete with Gregory and Wilson.

Obviously, we are presuming the re-sign of Talib. Even then, we need a corner or two from free agency. Arrington could be one, or not. In any case, I agree that the draft is not the place to get a corner who will contribute in 2013.

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So if BB keeps McCourty at FS, then we need another CB. This is NOT the best draft for a CB.

After Millner and Banks, there is very little that could contribute next season.

Rhodes of FSU might be considered a late 1st round/early 2nd round talent.

Amerson of NC State and Poyer of Oregon State have an early 2nd round grade. It is possible that BB trades back from #32, which would make them a value pick in the mid 40's.

Just FYI, I doubt BB has the honey badger on his draft board.
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