Originally Posted by The Gr8est

My recollections of Katzenmoyer was that he played well and looked very promising his first year before being derailed by injuries.

Originally Posted by The Gr8est

Not to try and rub salt in your dad's wounds (hopefully he doesn't read this board), but I agree with you about the Browns' drafting history. They seem to panic and make kneejerk moves.

I still remember when they gave up their very high #2 pick when they swapped positions with Jacksonville and just moved up one spot in the 1st round. That is when they drafted Kellen Winslow Jr.


And of course, they did the same thing this year with Minnesota and gave up several picks to move up one spot.

Originally Posted by ZoisKing

If he'd stayed healthy then he would have gone down as one of the best we'd ever drafted in my opinion. He had excellent size and was built like a brick wall.

We had some bad luck in those first rounds if I do recall correctly. Robert Edwards flashed big time ability just previous to that and he got injured as well.

Originally Posted by The Scrizz

According to Holley's 'War Room' it seems like Carrol ruined Katzenmoyer. He gets thrown out of the 2nd meeting Belichick has with the team and isn't long for the team after that.

I'm sure the injuries didn't help but the kid was a primadona who never really had to try all that hard. Am I the only one who remembers him not even trying to tackle a guy inside the 5 yard line in Carrol's last season? DOG.

Originally Posted by ZoisKing

Funny you mention "War Room", as I'm reading it right now.

Katzenmoyer wasn't the brightest kid, but he was tremendously talented and a good kid. I think if he'd stayed healthy that BB could have steered him in the right direction.

Or, maybe BB's complexity of schemes would have ruined him In my opinion, if he'd been in the right situation, he'd have been stellar.

Originally Posted by Ron Sellers

I had forgotten all about that till you mentioned it. If I recall correctly Katzenmoyer was the person that Sports Illustrated ran a lengthy cover story on (which created quite a buzz at the time) as their example of how schools make a mockery of eligibility requirements, influence professors to give players good grades, take classes that shouldn't receive college credits, etc.

Originally Posted by The Gr8est

My recollections of Katzenmoyer was that he played well and looked very promising his first year before being derailed by injuries.