The 2013 Prospect Thread

[mackenzie45220]

Originally Posted by SBPatsFan

I don't post often, but wanted to let you know I really appreciate everything you have been contributing to this forum.

I'm glad you do

[patsfaninpa]

Originally Posted by mackenzie45220

I'm glad you do

Do you really not know why linebackers tackle a rb/wr in the mid-section?

[mackenzie45220]

Originally Posted by patsfaninpa

Do you really not know why linebackers tackle a rb/wr in the mid-section?

Were you the one who made the comment?
If you were, I'll admit talking about torque was pedantic (ironically, I believe pedantic is a pedantic word, but I can't think of a word other than pedantic). That being said, if you are going to lean in with your head when making a tackle, as opposed to wrapping up, you will not lose balance if you are hit in the belly button.
If you lean in with the head and hit the midsection, you'll need a miracle to bring the guy down. If you wrap up around the midsection, you'll be just fine. But as long as Mauti leans in with his head as he hits the midsection, he won't be successful. You see corners make tackles by diving at a guy and taking out his legs. It's actually pretty effective if you don't have the length and strength to consistently wrap up. But you have to dive at the legs or, if you are in a perfect situation to deliver a hit that could result in a fine, around the shoulders or head.
As you can see in the video below, if you hit a guy in the upper body, he will certainly lose balance and fall backward, usually landing on his back.
Willis McGahee Jacked Up By Ryan Clark (HD) - YouTube
We all know that if you take out a guy's legs and get them off the ground, he will be tackled, and he will land on his stomach. The belly button is a grey area. The player will be pushed back, but the midsection simply has no give to it.

[patsfaninpa]

Originally Posted by mackenzie45220

Were you the one who made the comment?
If you were, I'll admit talking about torque was pedantic (ironically, I believe pedantic is a pedantic word, but I can't think of a word other than pedantic). That being said, if you are going to lean in with your head when making a tackle, as opposed to wrapping up, you will not lose balance if you are hit in the belly button.
If you lean in with the head and hit the midsection, you'll need a miracle to bring the guy down. If you wrap up around the midsection, you'll be just fine. But as long as Mauti leans in with his head as he hits the midsection, he won't be successful. You see corners make tackles by diving at a guy and taking out his legs. It's actually pretty effective if you don't have the length and strength to consistently wrap up. But you have to dive at the legs or, if you are in a perfect situation to deliver a hit that could result in a fine, around the shoulders or head.
As you can see in the video below, if you hit a guy in the upper body, he will certainly lose balance and fall backward, usually landing on his back.
Willis McGahee Jacked Up By Ryan Clark (HD) - YouTube
We all know that if you take out a guy's legs and get them off the ground, he will be tackled, and he will land on his stomach. The belly button is a grey area. The player will be pushed back, but the midsection simply has no give to it.

Yeah, it was me. The youtube clip you love is a 15 yard penalty and a fine in today's NFL. I wouldn't really recommend that. Had Clark gotten lower and gone thru his mid-section, it's a legal tackle. But, we like beasts who blow guys up. Thanks for making my point. Illegally in this case.

If you want a youtube of missed tackles, I'll make one for you. Many more tackles are missed because defensive players go too high or too low. Players are taught to go thru the mid-section. Period. It's not a grey area at all. It's the proper technique. If you were to argue that Mauti isn't functionally strong enough to be a lb. I'd buy that. He does have 3 int's, 2 broken up ones and 5 deflected passes. Not sure about your awareness in a zone comments.

[mackenzie45220]

Originally Posted by patsfaninpa

Yeah, it was me. The youtube clip you love is a 15 yard penalty and a fine in today's NFL. I wouldn't really recommend that. Had Clark gotten lower and gone thru his mid-section, it's a legal tackle. But, we like beasts who blow guys up. Thanks for making my point. Illegally in this case.

If you want a youtube of missed tackles, I'll make one for you. Many more tackles are missed because defensive players go too high or too low. Players are taught to go thru the mid-section. Period. It's not a grey area at all. It's the proper technique. If you were to argue that Mauti isn't functionally strong enough to be a lb. I'd buy that. He does have 3 int's, 2 broken up ones and 5 deflected passes. Not sure about your awareness in a zone comments.

I don't want to debate the tackling thing with you anymore, but I will say this. Obviously, that hit is illegal, but it is effective. Wrapping up around the midsection is fine, knocking a guy down by hitting him in the midsection isn't usually going to work.

The Virginia game was the one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a linebacker in coverage. Mistakes were everywhere. Stats don't really matter, but, if you are going to reference them, I'll point out two of those interceptions came against the worst team in the Big Ten, plus I never said he couldn't catch, because he can (oh, and "passes defended" are simply breakups + interceptions, so, if he has 3 picks and 2 breakups, he'll have 5 passes defender no matter what).

The timing wasn't great. To be honest, as bad as this sounds, I kind of did it on purpose knowing that Mauti is a bit of a popular search term right now because of the injury. When possible, I like to try to publish scouting reports while a player is in the news, for any reason. Last year, the day after the TCU game, I wrote a scouting report on RGIII, who was the most popular google search of that entire day. I published it after newspapers had discussed the game but before the buzz died. As a result, my scouting report was the first thing that came up on google news (most recent) when searching "Robert Griffin III" and, since there was so much news about him, "News results for Robert Griffin III" came up first, and my article came up first. It got over 10,000 page views in the first day. If a player is in the news, it's in my best interest to write about him

[Snake Eyes]

Originally Posted by SBPatsFan

I don't post often, but wanted to let you know I really appreciate everything you have been contributing to this forum.

I appreciate your contributions as well, Mackenzie, so much so that I'm completely willing to overlook your obvious hatred of white football players

[mackenzie45220]

Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

I appreciate your contributions as well, Mackenzie, so much so that I'm completely willing to overlook your obvious hatred of white football players

Now that I think about it, I wrote negative scouting reports on Mauti, Barkley, Chase Thomas, John Simon, and Joseph Fauria. But I did write a positive scouting report on Zac Dysert. Still, in 5 out of my 6 scouting reports on white guys I have claimed them to be overrated.

[Off The Grid]

Originally Posted by mackenzie45220

Now that I think about it, I wrote negative scouting reports on Mauti, Barkley, Chase Thomas, John Simon, and Joseph Fauria. But I did write a positive scouting report on Zac Dysert. Still, in 5 out of my 6 scouting reports on white guys I have claimed them to be overrated.

Heh!! With a name like MacKenzie Pantoja, I was assuming you were at least partly Scottish!!

...What's "Pantoja",though...??...Lusitanian??

Just had to give you a quick shout out: Anybody capable of your Post, above, is displaying a passion for Objectivity that I have no choice but to admire.

Thrilled that you've joined our ranks, Brother MacKenzie, as I'm a Fan of your Work.

I'll be joining in in January, and I look forward to some spirited discussions.

[manxman2601]

EC Stoner looks at Bjoern Werner and Tank Carradine:

Noles Know Pass Rushing - Evaluations - Rotoworld.com


A bit late to he party considering what we've been saying, but on twitter, @Ecstoner has been seeing the same Chandler Jones comp for Carradine that we have.

[manxman2601]

Dan Pompei looks at top 8 OG prospects. J Cooper is #1 (starting to lose hope on this one).

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