The 2013 Prospect Thread

[Avenger]

Originally Posted by Sciz

At your age, I darn well hope so!

Wouldn't be the first time
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[SBPatsFan]

Originally Posted by mackenzie45220

This is what I said with regard to his durability issues:

"Mauti has a ton of durability concerns. But I’m going to let my readers in on a little secret; I am NOT a doctor. I am by no means a credible source as to what kind of long term problems his injury issues will have. All I know is that he suffered his third season ending knee injury last week and has missed other games due to head, knee, and shoulder injuries. But I’m not by any means going to question an NFL team’s evaluation of a player’s durability issues. NFL teams for one, have much more detailed descriptions of the injuries, and, two, have team doctors that can analyze an injury’s long term impact. I am not a doctor. I will let his injury issues affect my opinion of him no more or less than other scouts. I’ll just take there word for it. Because who am I to say that I know more?"

Could I have been more humble?

I don't post often, but wanted to let you know I really appreciate everything you have been contributing to this forum.

[manxman2601]

Originally Posted by Merril Hoge's Tie Knot

Are you ever going to answer my questions about the WRs?

Sorry, forgot.

I think when a player is wide open they tend to be more conservative when catching the ball. Do you think Williams' body catches are because he's so open all the time? Do you think he's a first rounder?

Well I've downloaded a bunch of Baylor games so I'll be able to provide more insight on his body catching. I like to see receivers catch with their hands, it doesn't leave any question marks as to how good their hands are. On whether he's a first rounder, two datapoints:

1. Smart Football, a website I like say's that Williams is the best WR in CFB, better than Marquise Lee (who drops quite a lot).

.@grantwilliamson Williams kid from Baylor is best WR I've seen all year w/ Marqise Lee a close second. Lee might win but Williams is better

https://twitter.com/smartfootball/st...78163967864832

2. The last receiver to catch for 150 ypg+ was Michael Crabtree and he was a first rounder so I don't see why not.

I think he can be, especially with the week class at the top. I absolutely see him as a great fit, particularly if we slide Brandon Lloyd to the Deion Branch role (Lloyd will only have two more years on a relatively cheap contract and Williams looks to be a much better playmaker than Lloyd). The other thing I like about Williams is that the last two receivers out of Baylor are producing in their first year so the transition from Baylor to the NFL might not be so great.

Do you think Hopkins would be a good Patriot? Do you think he would pick up the offense? I wonder because he kind of looks like a overly confident thug.

Have to say, I don't see the thug aspect of him. He runs really good routes, is a very good catcher and has quick twitch change of direction. My two concerns are that a) he doesn't have the height to warrant the high pick it will take, and B) he'll probably go back anyway to be part of a Tajh Boyd/Watkins/Hopkins offense at Clemson.

Wheaton is a good player and currently undervalued. I wonder why he's used in the slot so often. I think I hate his offensive coordinator and quarterback. He's fast, but I don't think he's as fast as some people are saying.

His teammate Brandin Cooks has a 4.31 40 time according to commentary (although 4:42 on Nfldraftscout). Wheaton had the same time in an athletics meet. He also beat Deanthony Thomas in a 100m race who's lowest 40 time on nfldraftsdcout is 4:25:

Markus Wheaton beats De'Anthony Thomas 100M Dash - YouTube

So I'd say he's in the high 4.3's, low 4.4's at worst.

As to his QB, which one have you seen: Cody Vaz or Sean Mannion? Mannion is much the better.

I love Wheaton because he gets all the fundamentals right: great routes, great hands plus I love his intangibles. The only thing I will say is that I'm pretty sure he's not 6'1" as is being recorded. Looks more 5'11 or so too me.

I really like Rogers. Athletically I don't think he's Julio Jones like you once mentioned, but I think he's close. He's probably more like Dez Bryant. I wish I had some games of him so I didn't have to rely on internet videos. They just aren't reliable. You can get 100 times more information by watching entire games.

I'm interested in Patterson. Like I said he's used in a similar to Percy Harvin. He doesn't have the same track record, but could still be a good prospect.

Really cautious about those Tenessee guys. I've not seen Rogers play (the Julio Jones thing was me repeating what someone else had said) and whilst I can see the upside to Patterson, I don't see him as a day one starting WR but more of a 'gimmick' type player. It's the same with Tavon Austin - I can see the benefit to either but I'm personally looking for starting WR's. That's just a personal preference although I wouldn't object to either Patterson or Austin.

Woods is definitely a good player and a good value. I think he's the most pro ready, but doesn't have the highest ceiling even though he might have the highest floor. Marquis Lee is an elite player and while I think he holds down Woods' numbers a little that's not a knock on Woods.

Woods would be an excellent possession receiver and might be a worthy Welker replacement. Lee is outstanding except for the fact that his hands are dodgy (drops and fumbles).

For me, Williams would be the most likely to have a #1 type impact for us but Wheaton is my binky just like Marvin Jones last year.

Finally did you see sciz's comment? Apparently the Patriots "like" Wheaton so that's something I can hang my hat on.

[manxman2601]

Originally Posted by Merril Hoge's Tie Knot

Put him in your mocks now guys. Zach Boren is going to be a Patriot. Plays for Meyer, captain, fullback, special teams, and now defense. The senior fullback has played linebacker for the last five games and already totaled 41 tackles including 12 in the most recent game vs Wisconsin. Welcome to Foxboro, Zach!

I thought about saying this when I first heard he was playing defense. He's only a blocking fullback though isn't he? I was watching FSU yesterday. I want Lonnie Pryor for a FB role. Really intelligent blocker but moves like a HB.

[manxman2601]

Wow!! High praise:

+ Fresno State S Phillip Thomas - Thomas’ production (eight interceptions, three touchdowns, four pass breakups, 10.5 tackles for loss) is outstanding, but his skills match up. He is at his best when covering the back half, either working sideline to sideline to undercut passes or trailing vertical receivers, turning his head and beating the opposition to the catch point. I have heard many NFL Scouts consider him (easily) the best safety prospect since Earl Thomas and Eric Berry.

Have yet to see a full Fresno State game but in the one Youtube video I saw, he looked good at times and meh! in others. Will need to do further evaluation I suppose.

A number of other snapshots at the link.

Snapshots: Weeks 10-12 - Bullish or Bearish? - Rotoworld.com


And another view on Mauti:

Mauti Morphing Linebacker - Evaluations - Rotoworld.com

[Avenger]

Originally Posted by manxman2601

I thought about saying this when I first heard he was playing defense. He's only a blocking fullback though isn't he? I was watching FSU yesterday. I want Lonnie Pryor for a FB role. Really intelligent blocker but moves like a HB.

Hav'nt watched him but I heard he is a good reciever.

[manxman2601]

Originally Posted by Avenger

Hav'nt watched him but I heard he is a good reciever.

I haven't seen him either, but if he is a good receiver, it must be in theory. His career line is 25 catches for 193 yards for 7.7 avg and 1 TD.

[Avenger]

Originally Posted by manxman2601

I haven't seen him either, but if he is a good receiver, it must be in theory. His career line is 25 catches for 193 yards for 7.7 avg and 1 TD.

small sample size but my guess is maybe with the catches he has he doesn't have drops? looking at game splits it looks like he was starting to get more this year before being moved to defense.

[Snake Eyes]

Originally Posted by mackenzie45220

This is what I said with regard to his durability issues:

"Mauti has a ton of durability concerns. But I’m going to let my readers in on a little secret; I am NOT a doctor. I am by no means a credible source as to what kind of long term problems his injury issues will have. All I know is that he suffered his third season ending knee injury last week and has missed other games due to head, knee, and shoulder injuries. But I’m not by any means going to question an NFL team’s evaluation of a player’s durability issues. NFL teams for one, have much more detailed descriptions of the injuries, and, two, have team doctors that can analyze an injury’s long term impact. I am not a doctor. I will let his injury issues affect my opinion of him no more or less than other scouts. I’ll just take there word for it. Because who am I to say that I know more?"

Could I have been more humble?

Goddammit Mackenzie, stop hatin on white people

[mackenzie45220]

Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

Goddammit Mackenzie, stop hatin on white people

My Puerto Rican side (half white) came out when I wrote that article