* Ye Official 2012 Mock Draft Thread!! *

[Off The Grid]

Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77

I know you're not a huge fan of Mallett, but there's a better chance of Gisele leaving TFB for me than there is of that trade happening.

Again, and with feeling, my friend:

This is not me predicting what Mad Bill will do.

This is me saying what I ~ Mad Grid ~ would do.

[patsfaninpa]

Wes Bunting at National Football Post has a new mock out today. Same as our board. Devon Still and Mark Barron. Anyone know what name he posts under?

Mock Draft 6.0 | National Football Post

[Off The Grid]

Originally Posted by The Scrizz

Grid is quite possibly insane and I say that in the most positive terms possible.

Honestly OTG do you have a job or are you independently wealthy? I would get canned just for the amount of time I would have to spend reading your work nevermind conceiving it and putting it into words.

Things I love.

TE's or Flex Ends or Wingbacks or whatever they are. I would love Fleener at 31 as I am convinced that he is headed to Indy at 33 to pair with Luck.

The no safeties defense. The only flaw I see is that these guys damn well better be able to cover. I compare it to the old Nintendo Hockey circa late 80's where you had the small fast guys and the big slow guys and the later would just cream the former. Anyone who played enough came to the realization that you needed a good mix.

With Flex End becoming the next big thing in this copycat league you might need some more size out there. Can you imagine what the Gronk would do to a secondary full of CB's? He could carry 4 of them 80 yards on his back. I guess I don't like the D so much as the boldness of conception and I could see it as useful depending on match-ups.

Things I don't like.

Guys like Cannon who probably have just as much upside as some of your proposed drafties with I believe considerably lower floors.

Minimum half of your shadow roster would have jobs within a week. Cannon, Fells, Carter, Gregory, Pryor... Bring 'em all to camp and let the best man win. I have a feeling quite a few would be guys on the roster already. This was after all a Super Bowl team.

As somebody else mentioned I think that some of your trades would bring you past the guys you want to draft. I don't think you need quite so many; a more surgical approach might be more efficient.

No love for special teams. Just as all the CB's on the field would make me nervous there is a reason why guys like Slater and White make NFL rosters.

But there is no question that you are a marauding beast to match any of your DL, Flankers, or Midfielders. Your Verticity of vocabulary is unmatched on this, or I suspect, any other message board.

Great Points, Brother Scrizz!! Let's see, here...

1 ~ Yes, I've given considerable thought to the downside of all my radical notions, including the size of my Secondary. I certainly understand your concern about a bunch of Smurfs trying to tackle the larger Flex Ends in this league.

2 ~ But that's simply not the case with my Secondary. Remember, if you will: I've made a point of targeting guys like Trumaine Johnson and Desmond Marrow, who are both HUGE ~ larger, in fact, than most Free Safeties in the league, and certainly larger than that shrimp, Gregory. And Chung stays in on Rush Downs. Bottom Line: My Secondary is actually LARGER, not smaller!!

3 ~ Your objection to my projection of cutting Marcus Cannon is obviously quite reasonable, and I'm sure the vast majority will agree with you on that. He's a terrific young talent, and I would hope ~ if he does indeed get cut ~ to recoup a Draft Pick for'm...It's a philosophical decision on my part.

4 ~ "Bring them all to Camp and let the best man win." is precisely how I do business. You remember, of course: That Final Roster is merely my wish.

5 ~ I'm sure much of my Shadow Roster would get jobs in days, or hours. I'll take that as a compliment!! Let me ask you: If you had the means of going into Camp with such ridiculous Depth of Talent that an half dozen ~ or even a dozen ~ guys you cut immediately got jobs...wouldn't you want to do that each and every year??

6 ~ The alternative is hoping and praying that the far thinner crew you have stays 100% healthy, and when in the history of FootBall ~ and especially of these Patriots, the last 10 years ~ has that ever happened?? Last year was an Epidemic. Had we had the Depth of Talent that I'm proposing, here, is there any question that we would've won the Super Bowl? Not in my mind. Much better to have too much than too little, don't you think? It's not like I'm cutting 1st Rounders!!

7 ~ Regarding "trading past" my targets, you'll remember: I stipulate that if that would appear to be the case, I'll just "back out" the San Fran 2013 1st Rounder out'f the equation, to pick up the slack...or seek other alternatives.

8 ~ This was off of Walter's Mock, and I didn't want to cherry pick to suit my purposes. Beyond Silatolu and McClellin ~ who'd both be covered by "backing out" the Miners 2013 Pick ~ I don't think there's any guys in the entire draft that I've "traded past", but you could be right: If you have a more accurate barometer of Market Value, I'm all ears and gratefull!!

9 ~ Yeah, I won't pretend I didn't cringe at the idea of letting either White or Slater go. I rationalize that by thinking that with all these young guys I'm bringing in, we're gonna be flying all over the place and destroying people!! But I love White, and would miss him badly. My thinking is that I want guys who bring substantial contributions in more than one aspect of the Game, if at all reasonable.

10 ~ I'm not independently wealthy ~ although I promise you: I AM working on it!! ~ but I manage to liberate the time I need for this Obsession by being a Slacker!!

Thank you for your gracious words, Brother Scrizz!! I hope my responses came out as engaging and defensiveness-free as I intended them to be, as I am a big fan of your Work, hereabouts, and I found great pleasure ~ and education!! ~ in reflecting on the constructive criticism you've just shared!!

[manxman2601]

Kiper has us taking Shea McLellin and Derek Wolfe in the first round of his latest mock. Follows it up with Josh Robinson (#48) and Amini Silatolu (#62) in the 2nd round.

[captain stone]

Did you just say Derek Wolfe? In the 1st round?

[Patriot Missile]

Originally Posted by manxman2601

Kiper has us taking Shea McLellin and Derek Wolfe in the first round of his latest mock. Follows it up with Josh Robinson (#48) and Amini Silatolu (#62) in the 2nd round.

3 of the 4 I do like. Although I am warming up to the idea of Wolfe becoming a Patriot, just not in the 1st.

[ATippett56]

Originally Posted by manxman2601

Kiper has us taking Shea McLellin and Derek Wolfe in the first round of his latest mock. Follows it up with Josh Robinson (#48) and Amini Silatolu (#62) in the 2nd round.

Derek Wolfe in the first round? It will be another long season for the New England Patriots defense if Derek Wolfe was selected in the first round.

[ATippett56]

Originally Posted by Patriot Missile

Although I am warming up to the idea of Wolfe becoming a Patriot, just not in the 1st.

Bottom of the fourth round at the earliest for Derek Wolfe.

[exaboy]

It's been a while since I've talked about the NFL Draft tool I've built for the community , I'm trying hard not to spam or even hijack the thread. Check it out you might find it useful!

fourthandshort.org

This was originally posted in the newbies area, and I've had some great feedback from pats fans.

[Snake Eyes]

Originally Posted by exaboy

It's been a while since I've talked about the NFL Draft tool I've built for the community , I'm trying hard not to spam or even hijack the thread. Check it out you might find it useful!

fourthandshort.org

This was originally posted in the newbies area, and I've had some great feedback from pats fans.

Let's see, this is your 3rd post here yet you don't want to spam? Not good form there.