* Ye Official 2012 Mock Draft Thread!! *

[Frick]

Not too concerned about Palmer to Raiders, thought both he & Ocho were toast since 2005 & Ocho so far has proven, he's done.

1-so many prospects are on a downward spiral & not just because they're double teamed. Sources told Walter's Football that Travis Lewis is a prima dona & more concerned with himself than team. Others who have great height or speed have been living off of past years. All said & done I would go with Courtney Upshaw OLB Ala., a little shorter than Bill likes, but if I was picking a can't miss, he'd be it.

2- Lester or McDonald look pretty good with our 1st 2nd rd. pick.

3- Chase Thomas OLB Stanford, beast with 1 sack a gm. & plays in a 3-4. (2nd)

4- Devon Still DT Penn St.- looks to play DE in 3-4 (3rd round)

5- Trade our 4th till we get a handfull of 7th round picks.

[Off The Grid]

Originally Posted by Frick

Not too concerned about Palmer to Raiders, thought both he & Ocho were toast since 2005 & Ocho so far has proven, he's done.

1-so many prospects are on a downward spiral & not just because they're double teamed. Sources told Walter's Football that Travis Lewis is a prima dona & more concerned with himself than team. Others who have great height or speed have been living off of past years. All said & done I would go with Courtney Upshaw OLB Ala., a little shorter than Bill likes, but if I was picking a can't miss, he'd be it.



2- Lester or McDonald look pretty good with our 1st 2nd rd. pick.

3- Chase Thomas OLB Stanford, beast with 1 sack a gm. & plays in a 3-4. (2nd)



4- Devon Still DT Penn St.- looks to play DE in 3-4 (3rd round)



5- Trade our 4th till we get a handfull of 7th round picks.

Well considered, Sir.

I particularly like the Dark Horse, Thomas of Stanford.

[Off The Grid]

*My Apologies: I should've rolled this forward, earlier...

The Huddle and Great Blue present two different ~ but clearly equally valid ~ interpretations.

~ Great Blue ranks them based on the PlayOffs theoretically starting today.

~ The Huddle ranks them based on Absolute Record, ignoring current PlayOff standings.

Considering that there are 10 weeks left, and the last 12 spots won't be determined until January and on, both approaches are, for now, obviously equally useful.

Great Blue North Draft Report

1 Indianapolis 0-6 .516
2 Miami 0-5 .567
3 St. Louis 0-5 .580
4 Jacksonville 1-5 .495
5 Carolina 1-5 .516
6 Minnesota 1-5 .604
7 Arizona 1-4 .466
8 Denver 1-4 .607
9 Philadelphia 2-4 .500
10 Cleveland 2-3 .483
11 Seattle 2-3 .489
12 Dallas 2-3 .522
13 Kansas City 2-3 .538
14 Houston 3-3 .418
15 Cleveland 3-3 .468
16 NY Jets 3-3 .511
17 Chicago 3-3 .554
18 Washington 3-2 .422
19 Pittsburgh 4-2 .483
20 Oakland 4-2 .523
21P Tennessee 3-2 .419
22P Cincinnati 4-2 .460
23P New England 4-2 .447
24P Tampa Bay 4-2 .479
25P NY Giants 4-2 .500
26P Buffalo 4-2 .511
27P Baltimore 4-1 .472
28P San Diego 4-1 .511
29P San Francisco 5-1 .465
30P Detroit 5-1 .543
31P New England 5-1 .449
32P Green Bay 6-0 .489

NFL MOCK DRAFT - THE HUDDLE REPORT

1 COLTS 0 0.516
2 DOLPHINS 0 0.567
3 RAMS 0 0.580
4 CARDINALS 1 0.466
5 JAGUARS 1 0.495
6 PANTHERS 1 0.516
7 BRONCOS 1 0.600
8 VIKINGS 1 0.604
9 BROWNS 2 0.483
10 SEAHAWKS 2 0.489
11 EAGLES 2 0.500
12 COWBOYS 2 0.522
13 CHIEFS 2 0.538
14 TEXANS 3 0.418
15 TITANS 3 0.419
16 REDSKINS 3 0.422
17 FALCONS 3 0.468
18 JETS 3 0.511
19 BEARS 3 0.554
20 SAINTS 4 0.447
21 BENGALS 4 0.460
22 RAVENS 4 0.472
23 BUCCANEERS 4 0.479
24 STEELERS 4 0.483
25 GIANTS 4 0.500
26 CHARGERS 4 0.511
27 BILLS 4 0.511
28 RAIDERS 4 0.523
29 PATRIOTS 5 0.449
30 49ERS 5 0.465
31 LIONS 5 0.543
32 PACKERS 6 0.489

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So according to GBN's "Playoff" Rankings, we're at:

#23
#31

#52
#63

#95

And according to The Huddles's "Absolute Value" Rankings, we're at:

#20
#29

#60
#61

#93

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Obviously, the "PlayOffs start Today" approach will eventually be the only way to go, but by that point, it will presumably be used by both Sites...Meanwhile, the "Absolute" record gives us some intriguing insight that the other doesn't, in my view...Each man can decide for himself which he prefers.

Personally, I'll be checking both.

[Off The Grid]

Originally Posted by patsfaninpa

Saints loss was good news. If the season ended tonight, they would be the 6th seed and have to go on the road. Didn't work out too well for them last year in Seattle. TB has Chicago at home and then a bye. They travel to NO after the bye. NO has 2 easy games going into that game Indy and St.L. That's a huge game in that division. NO wins and they're probably going to run free. If they lose they are a game behind and losing the tie-breaker. Really 2 games. A 1st round loss and that pick is 21-24. If they win division and get a bye, make NFCCG and lose. It's 29 or 30.

Bad news for Raiders. But, their schedule doesn't look too daunting. KC at home, a bye and Denver at home to finish the 1st half. Should be 6-2. 2ND half tougher but still a couple they should win. At Minny, at Miami and at KC. Imperative for them that DMc stays healthy now. And, he's had trouble doing that in the past.

Excellent points, Sir.

I picked the Saints to go all the way to the Super Bowl, before the season, BARELY escaping the upstart Detroit FootBall Lions to do so...and I see little value in repeatedly rejiggering my predictions over the course of the season.

So, having predicted the Saints to come in at #31 ~ and the Raiders at #33 ~ WHOOPSY!! ~ I am naturally pleased to ANY degree in which I MIGHT prove to've been wrong...After all, ALL such predictions are presumed to be Long Shots, when one is discussing the exact Seeding of any given Team...and the Patriots ~ not my Galactic Ego ~ ARE the Priority, for us all.

[Off The Grid]

Originally Posted by Dobbo

I will be at the Bucs-Bears game in London on Sunday, cheering for the draft pick (i mean Bucs!).

Livid about the Carson Palmer trade, i think the Raiders got ripped off (who dosn't!), but it may well have a detrimental affect on our #2 pick in the 2012 draft. I hope Palmer is out of shape and off his game!!

We are also going to be searching for a new trade partner for the #3 pick in 2012 as they might not have a #2 in 2013...

Heh!! Good points, all.

The Palmer Trade cast serious doubts on the alleged demise of Mad Al.

Honestly, even with our Pick at stake, here, I'm rooting for Palmer. His Game has never been the same since Kimo hit'm, and it bothers the HELL out'f me. I've always loved the Steelers, and still do, but I have serious doubts about whether're not that ROLL was incidental or intentional...and it DISGUSTS me that the Steelers went on to win it all, that year, because the Bengals had some MAGIC, that year, and I really believe that ~ without that play ~ it would've been them and the Hawks in the Super Bowl...

But what really won my Sympathy ~ in the old meaning of the word ~ for Captain Palmer was his remarkable forthrightness about the psychological impact of the injury...I don't recall any QB of note ever admitting, before or since, that dealing with that can be tough. Many questioned his Testicular Fortitude in the wake of that confession, but I'm more inclined to think that it showed real guts to admit what he wasn't forced to admit...And I've been wondering, for the last 5 years, now, if he wouldn't find Reclamation in the right situation...Whether OakLand is that or not is obviously a big fat Question.

[Off The Grid]

Originally Posted by Dobbo

I agree with the position asessment. For all the flack we throw at our secondary, McCourty, Bodden, Arrington and Ras-I should be a solid group. With the way the rules are, we cannot expect all DB's to be an Ed Reed/Darelle Revis clone. They need a pash rush to help.

I think we should double dip at S and also in the Pass rush early on.

I agree that the "spine" of the Defence is good, we just need one or two good defensive drafts (or a FA pick up) to help.

However, our asessment might change down the stretch. Remember the Jets playoff game and the sudden "need" for either V.Jax or Larry Fitz...

I really like your focus on The Spine of the Defense, as I consider that to be disproportionately important, even while being disproportionately neglected by the Masses, by which I mean: the debris who rant on TV and Radio, stupifying their unsuspecting and trusting listeners, who are, regrettably, legion.

While BaseBall had my greatest attention for the earlier part of my life ~ all the way until the disgusting, despicable, and unforgivable Strike of 1994, which seems to've imposed a PermaDisgust on me ~ I focused on The Spine ~ Catcher, Pitcher, ShortStop, Second Base, and CenterField.

Likewise, in FootBall, Center, O Guard, O Guard, D Tackle, D Tackle, Quarter Back, and MidFielder ~ in my opinion ~ wield a disproportionately large influence on The Fate of Teams...even while Edge Rushers and Split Ends garner an insanely enormous portion of the Credit.

[RJB87]

I don't see us taking a top flight OLB with our first 1st rounder. I picture another elite ILB to compliment Mayo. I think Mayo shines better with more talent around him to let him play more freely and have to worry less.

If we keep our second 1st rounder I think that goes on an OLB or Center if Brewster is available.

1a. Monte Te'o - ILB Notre Dame
1b. Melvin Ingram - OLB South Carolina / Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama (although we might able to grab him in the 2nd round the way he's playing right now).

[Wilfork#75]

Originally Posted by RJB87

I don't see us taking a top flight OLB with our first 1st rounder. I picture another elite ILB to compliment Mayo. I think Mayo shines better with more talent around him to let him play more freely and have to worry less.

If we keep our second 1st rounder I think that goes on an OLB or Center if Brewster is available.

1a. Monte Te'o - ILB Notre Dame
1b. Melvin Ingram - OLB South Carolina / Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama (although we might able to grab him in the 2nd round the way he's playing right now).

I don't know what you've seen of him this year, but everything I've seen or heard about Upshaw this year has been great and every draft analyst I've read has his stock rising. I'm worried he won't make it past 20, let alone the 2nd round. Maybe you have seen something different. I also doubt the Pats will have any shot at Te'o, he could easily be a top 12 pick and well out of range of the Saints pick.

[NinjaZX6R]

Why are we taking another ILB in the 1st two rounds?

[patsfaninpa]

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R

Why are we taking another ILB in the 1st two rounds?

Joel Buschbaum(Former draft analyst Pro Football Weekly) used to classify players something like this;
1. Hall of Famer - Like it says. The best of the best Brady, Manning, Ray Lewis
2. All Pro - Very good players. Amongst the best at their position in the league. V.Wilfork, A. Gates,
3. Blue Chip - Type of player you build your team around. M. Light, R. Wayne, Dallas Clark
4. Red Chip - Solid Starter some holes in game though.

I think J. Mayo will become a blue chip player if he isn't already. I think B. Spikes will become a red chip player. You really don't need anything more at the ILB position in the 3-4. Spikes comes out in the nickel anyway.