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Old 04-28-2008, 12:48 PM   #11
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Well compare that to what the Eagles pulled over on the Panthers.

They sent their 1st, #19 overall, to Carolina for their 2nd and 4th round picks this season and a 1st in 2009. And Carolina is likely to be in the bottom half again next season.
If the Panthers have a good season, those picks will likely be a big part of that success. If the Panthers suck, Fox won't be around to worry about the 2009 draft anyway. Not saying that it was a good move...just saying that the draft and coaches on the hot seat don't mix.
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Old 04-28-2008, 01:02 PM   #12
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I think they did pretty well considering the current economic model. I was thinking last week that if things donn't change, would you see future straight up trades, #7 for #12 for example, with no other consideration- simply the economic factor?
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If the Ravens wanted a QB, so bad then why didn't they offer St. Louis everything for Matt Ryan, who Haurbaugh supposedly coveted?
They did.

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Shortly after noon, Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome offered St. Louis first-, second- and fourth-round picks this year and a third-rounder in 2009 for the Rams' first-round pick."
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Speaking of jokes . . .

What do you get back if you exchange three quarterbacks for a nickel defense?
Answer: The Baltimore Ravens.
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Thank you! There are so many "why didn't they..." questions about trades, and this is a great reminder that you simply can't always pick and choose.

Some well-respected posters on this board have said things like "I have nothing against Mayo, but he was overdrafted, pure and simple. They could have safely gotten him anywhere before #15!" (I am not exaggerating.) Think about it...the highest guy on the Pats board at #7 is probably safe for the next half-dozen picks so they successfully trade down to #10 and nab him for way less money and an extra pick. The reaction: they got "bad value" for the trade and "overdrafted" by a whopping 3 slots.
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Thank you! There are so many "why didn't they..." questions about trades, and this is a great reminder that you simply can't always pick and choose.

Some well-respected posters on this board have said things like "I have nothing against Mayo, but he was overdrafted, pure and simple. They could have safely gotten him anywhere before #15!" (I am not exaggerating.) Think about it...the highest guy on the Pats board at #7 is probably safe for the next half-dozen picks so they successfully trade down to #10 and nab him for way less money and an extra pick. The reaction: they got "bad value" for the trade and "overdrafted" by a whopping 3 slots.
We can all sit here & say anything's possible & we wouldn't be wrong. lol But this is a message board, so to keep things interesting we have opinions.

When you're talking about the 1st round though every slot is worth a few millions $$$. So it's not something that should be so easily sneezed at IMO. My bigger issue with the Pat's draft came later though. A no name QB in the 3rd round??? He better be Brady's replacement in 5 years.
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Thank you! There are so many "why didn't they..." questions about trades, and this is a great reminder that you simply can't always pick and choose.

Some well-respected posters on this board have said things like "I have nothing against Mayo, but he was overdrafted, pure and simple. They could have safely gotten him anywhere before #15!" (I am not exaggerating.) Think about it...the highest guy on the Pats board at #7 is probably safe for the next half-dozen picks so they successfully trade down to #10 and nab him for way less money and an extra pick. The reaction: they got "bad value" for the trade and "overdrafted" by a whopping 3 slots.
I'd much rather overdraft by a few slots and be assured of getting the guy I wanted. When you get really cute and keep trading around, that's when you end up missing out on the guy you wanted all along. People said Mankins and Branch were overdrafted too.

And besides neither player (Mayo or Wheatley) was considered to be overdrafted by the Pats. So that's all that matters anyway. Draft the guys that best fit your system, coach them well, and away you go.
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bakes...What's wrong with drafting a quality backup, a QB who Jaworski and Mayock both had high on their boards, both loved, and other teams apparantly had higher on their boards then Henne and Brohm. Again, just because Brady (or Manning for that matter) haven't missed games doesn't mean that you ignore the backup QB position. Either team is screwed royally if either one had to miss a game let alone an extended period of time.

It's easy to say backup QB isn't an important position until Brady misses a game and we're all screaming that the Pats don't have a quality backup.
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Yes, the Ravens were left scrambling, but their trade down then up was targetting only 1 of the QBs(Flacco) partly because of the proximity. They got their guy, granted they gained "only" a 3rd for dropping 18 spots, but look what they did with their 3rd rounders!! They got 3 players that will make their team and therefore their draft if Flacco doesnt go bust. They are one of the best drafting teams, to me I think ATL made worse decisions, and maybe should have taken the picks for Ryan.....they need em.
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A no name QB in the 3rd round??? He better be Brady's replacement in 5 years.
I have quibbles with the draft too (I'm a little wary of Crable), but I like the O'Connell pick a lot. After securing some speedy young talent in the back 7 with the first 3 picks, that's a great spot to swing for the fences. O'Connoll's a project, but with ALL the stuff you can't teach: tremendous size, tremendous arm strength, excellent all-around athlete, smart & a natural leader.
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